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Dutch Police ran dark web drug marketplace for 27 days
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That's not a pirate ship, that's a Kogge. A kogge was a ship used by the Hanseatic league traders. A league of cities that traded with each other towards the East and west. (Some of these cities were Dutch).Source: https://www.politie.nl/en/news/2017/july/20/underground-hansa-market-taken-over-and-shut-down.html
So much for anonymity on the TOR network.
Love the sinking pirateship image they put up after they closed it:
I am not sure I follow your logic. So it's ok if people take hard drugs as long as they do it "respondibly". And like I've said, there are other countries than America. I didn't suggest putting addicts into prisons instead of giving them the help they need. I neither drink or smoke, so I don't why you brought those 2 up ( unless you think someone smoking one cigarette is the same thing as using heroin)
Chasm Skulker
Banned
I think it's a good thing.
It's not like they're after the funny-haha drugs you get Seth Rogan films made about, but addictive, life destroying substances that are manufactured and distributed by real scumbag villains with actual blood on their hands a lot of the time.
It's not like they're after the funny-haha drugs you get Seth Rogan films made about, but addictive, life destroying substances that are manufactured and distributed by real scumbag villains with actual blood on their hands a lot of the time.
are you american by any chance
Alter_Fridge
Member
Don't pretend like proper weed addictions don't ruin lives too
The biggest drug dealing organization on the planet and responsible for as many deaths if not more(definitely more) per year and they will remain untouched.
Elfotografoalocado
Banned
Only Europe never convicted drug addicts, unlike the War on Drugs.
Here in Spain, during the heroin and AIDS epidemic in the 80s/90s the public healthcare system would distribute clean needles to prevent needle sharing, on top of a working rehab system.
Do I have news for you.
BrassDragon
Member
The problem these operations are addressing isn't addiction or low level dealing but the financial support structure of international crime networks that are fighting a bloody war over production and distribution in our streets - most recent Dutch homicides involve these clowns assassinating each other and bystanders.
Dutch police is putting huge effort into dismantling these organizations to prevent their billions of euros from corrupting local governments and commerce. Lots of cops are sympathetic to legalization but there's an acute and very real public safety crisis they're trying to contain while politicians sort that stuff out.
An example of responsible drug use would be smoking weed at home vs smoking weed and driving.
I don't understand what you mean by "there are other countries than America".
That comment was sarcastic.
Chasm Skulker
Banned
In my experience when it takes over someone's entire lifestyle then yes it ruins them, but it's not the same, in terms of the affect on the user or in the process to get it to them. If you can grow it in your living room its less likely to screw up people in third world countries.
It's always surprises me to see people who seemingly know nothing outside of their own country.
AlexFlame116
Member
Good. Hopefully this means that they are also getting close to finding those darker websites that have the worst content on them.
Man where do I begin with all of this?
Alter_Fridge
Member
The image lacks an hyperlink leading to a webm of Nelson saying "ha ha!" and it'd be perfect.
There is this thing called passive smokers aka the people that inhale the fumes produced by smoking, which had a lot of perjudicial components. So, yeah, smoking hurts those around you.
There is this thing called passive smokers aka the people that inhale the fumes produced by smoking, which had a lot of perjudicial components. So, yeah, smoking hurts those around you.
Actually there isn't it's just "condoned" but it remains illegal. Especially with the conservatives (although they call themselves liberal HAH!) ruling that place for ages now. They slowly make it worse and worse and ask a coffeeshop owner about it sometimes, especially in the smaller towns where they legalized it fully to supply coffeeshops with legal taxxed pot. The central government cracked down it, in many states in the USA there are better drug laws now than in the Netherlands!
Besides, if you legalize it, it isn't criminal anymore and thus the activity, profit and crimesprees go down. The only issue is: Keeping it away from kids and educating people about the risks. Same thing we already do with alcohol really.
BUt hey if you are in for banning things people enjoy here are a few more addictions for you:
Gambling
Drinking
Smoking
Driving
Diving
Parcours
Gaming
Extreme sports
and so forth. All of these can become an addiction if you allow it. So let's just bann em all! Let's just all sit down in church and praise Jesus. Oh waith Religion too is an addiction to some!
.Darn must be that pesky human brain of ours and all those endorphins, well full frontal lobotomies for everybody! WOOHOO! ^^.
I was very specific by saying "hard" drugs. You must agree that there differences in magnitude between stuff like heroine and smoking weed.
What I ment is that the "War on Drugs" is an very American thing
Skellig Gra
Member
At the very least they are operating a business illegally and not paying taxes. But yes, if they are just selling the drugs out of the love of the product I would leave them be.
frankie_baby
Member
Most drugs arent adictive and can be regularly enjoyed you know
Alter_Fridge
Member
He was being sarcastic, how can so many people not pick this up
Thanks. They really went above and beyond with the photoshop then.
Alter_Fridge
Member
I don't know how you could do your job if it required you to run a child porn site undercover
Like how do you not get PTSD from that?
Unless what they sell is all home grown, they are funneling money to criminal gangs that kill tens of thousands every year around the world.
Chasm Skulker
Banned
Aha, point taken. Still though, a meth lab is a bit more difficult than buying some seeds, planting and watering them lol.
And meth unquestionably destroys people.
TatteredHat
Member
Huh, well good job.
I think the people who work to catch this sort of thing typically get things like free counseling sessions and benefits packages tailored to help offset the mental and emotional burden of the work.
Definitely not a job for everyone. I'm glad some people take it upon themselves to do it.
Alter_Fridge
Member
Not from me. I hate the effects of weed
Alter_Fridge
Member
Counselling is effective somewhat but what is seen cannot be unseen
Seriously. I don't understand how they can even justify allowing children to be harmed in the hopes of convicting more people. It's Terrible.
There goes any casual interest I had in the dark web.
I'd be cool if my home state was legalizing weed instead of broadswoards and nunchucks but thems the breaks.
Maybe if we waste another whole legislative session arguing about whether or not trans people should be allowed in the bathroom of the gender they identify with (they should, it's a nonissue). Maybe real work could get done.
I'd be cool if my home state was legalizing weed instead of broadswoards and nunchucks but thems the breaks.
Maybe if we waste another whole legislative session arguing about whether or not trans people should be allowed in the bathroom of the gender they identify with (they should, it's a nonissue). Maybe real work could get done.
Definitely. It's probably like intentionally scarring yourself for life to do a job that needs to be done.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Yes, I don't want to imagine what kind of flashbacks they get, in what kind of situations.
Basically willingly giving up enjoying normal sex life, I think. Impossible to keep work and private life separate there.
Careful with that talk now. Our resident narcs will be quick to remind you that everything gets the same priority and they're doing multiple things at once lol.
But to be fair, these busts are more about the criminal organizations and seizing their financial assets rather than stopping people from getting high. No one in the cosmos has that power; to stop people from getting high.
You had rather they closed the site and let the perps run free to molest children in peace?
It is justified if they even save one child from further harm, because the abuse wont just stop because they close one forum.
Aye, and the money for these hard drugs funds some very nasty people like the Taliban or the people tearing through Mexico right now. There are stupid parts to drug policy, but wanting to aggressively shut down distribution networks is one of the best things that Narco Cops are doing right now, because shutting those channels down hurts people who really deserve it.
Again, to all Americans, Europe does not wage war on drug use.
Hence why the only action the police took on the 500 Dutch drug orders was to call the post office and tell them to not deliver the package.
Westbahnhof
Banned
Seriously? These people are probably among the few I'd call actual heroes. Basically martyrdom, these men and women are suffering, carrying on despite what they see and know, to catch more dangerous predators.
Don't insult them like that.
Much better to only catch the small fish. It's not like the people they don't catch won't keep harming children on a large scale.
Much like people worried about personal drug use complain about priorities when the police cracks down on organised crime. People should look up what happens with the money earned through the drug trade.
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Uhhhhh pretty sure if I get stopped with any amount of weed on me there will be criminal action taken against me.
Sure it's not as extreme as the American War in drugs. But it would certainly fuck up my Future jobband travel prospects if I have a drug conviction.
I refuse to belive that the money and resources used in this operation couldn't have been used for something a little more meaningful than people buying drugs over the Internet. Safe than dealing with dealers Irl depending on your own situation.
Just seems a little silly to me with so many other issues in our global society that should have more resources allocated to them, and undercover drug busts are taking from them. Maybe indirectly but this money doesn't come from no where.
randomengine
Banned
Lots of libertarians and people who use drugs.
recreational drug users exist as much as people like to pretend they don't. I don't think anybody is saying don't investigate and prosecute organized violent crime (emphasis on the violent), but this is the same shit that happens with prostitution and sex work. People are going to find these drugs regardless and the harder you make it for them to create a network that makes buying and selling safe and non violent, the more space you're giving to those violent crime orgs who do use the revenue to fund plainly some sick shit.
And it's completely hypocritical because if you're regulating a person's health on what they can and can't intake, then we should go ahead and ban A LOT of things (and not just talking about in America) so that we can force everybody to live healthy lives.