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DVD size limiting PGR4 (A true test in reading comprehension)

Speevy said:
-Tales of Symphonia
-Baten Kaitos
-Star Ocean 3
-Shadow Hearts: Covenant


Those are 4 that I can name. However, most of them probably fit on DVD last gen.
SH:C and SO3 are on two DVD5 discs for some reason, the games are well less than 8.5GB. And the other two games are on GC with the small discs.

Another page, how surprising.
 
-Tales of Symphonia --> Gamecube (mini like dvds, max size available is 1.2), later ported to the PS2 with one DVD5.

-Baten Kaitos 9 --> Gamecube.

-Star Ocean 3 --> PS2, 2 discs.

-Shadow Hearts: Covenant --> PS2, 2 discs.
 
All of this is useless anyhow, the consoles have already launched. And if you want longer games on one disc the ps3 is there if you want longer games on multiple discs the 360's there. Though we're yet to see a game with the scale of Sotc truly realised coupled with longevity and add a splash of enjoyment from 3rd or 1st parties.
 
Son of Godzilla said:
Reminds me of last gens PS2 casual fans. "Oh no, can't win a feature checklist jerkoffathon on the interweb, let me console myself by taking a bath with all these awesome games".

heh, I remember when I worked at gamestop, and customers would ask me about the differences between PS2/Xbox.

"Well, the Xbox has a hard drive built-in so you don't have to buy an extra memory card, and is a more powerful system! The PS2 has more games though since it's more popular"

*Customer looks at massive PS2 section on wall*

"I'll get a PS2."
 
neojubei said:
That is funny, lol.

Why don't the devs use 2 discs or just have extra tracks with night-time as a free downloadable after the game is shipped.

well in the case of PGR4 it's obvious; if you want to play some track that's on disc 1 and then the next track is on disc 2 and the third on 1...well, you get the point.

As for DVD being maxed out...I've said it before and I'll say it again (Shang Tsung voice): IT HAS BEGUN
 
Why is this threasd still going? I fail to see what there is still left to discuss instead of going over the same ground over and over and over and over and over and over....
 
I'm looking forward to the day when all consoles just offer their games by download only. Finally getting rid of those formats, DVD blabla, and taking that step forward.
 
Jel0man said:
I'm looking forward to the day when all consoles just offer their games by download only. Finally getting rid of those formats, DVD blabla, and taking that step forward.

I'm not sure we'll be alive when that day comes.
 
Jel0man said:
I'm looking forward to the day when all consoles just offer their games by download only. Finally getting rid of those formats, DVD blabla, and taking that step forward.
never gonna happen, HDD space is exhaustible. It will be more of a hassle than a asset to try and bypass media.
 
Also is Gears, Crackdown and Oblivion really examples of what dvd9 can still do in terms of length.? Gears was short and recieved packs later, Crackdown was short and received packs later with things that seemed like they should have been on disc to begin with not so long after it's release. Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.
 
Jel0man said:
I'm looking forward to the day when all consoles just offer their games by download only. Finally getting rid of those formats, DVD blabla, and taking that step forward.

Then it will be edible data storage. Fans arguing whose format is more delicious. The Xbox 720's data pears or the PS4's digital storage waffles.


Waffles



shagg_187 said:
It's a troll trap. Easier for mods to ban them... ;)

Ahhh. It seems that some of the trolls from both 'sides' seem to be intent on ingoring some of the more logical argument such as first party offerings and instead arguing on whether GTA4 will be a double disc game or not.

Pfft.
 
Nolan. said:
Also is Gears, Crackdown and Oblivion really examples of what dvd9 can still do in terms of length.? Gears was short and recieved packs later, Crackdown was short and received packs later with things that seemed like they should have been on disc to begin with not so long after it's release. Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.

Gears and Lost Planet received map packs, which are quite normal if you ask me.

dunno about crackdown.
 
Nolan. said:
Also is Gears, Crackdown and Oblivion really examples of what dvd9 can still do in terms of length.? Gears was short and recieved packs later, Crackdown was short and received packs later with things that seemed like they should have been on disc to begin with not so long after it's release. Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.

The length of a game doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the diskspace it uses. The added content for Crackdown was mostly more gamemodes, instead of more in-game assets.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
You're talking about what Sony required for their system. Regardless, multiplatform devs today, right now, are creating next gen games that fit on DVD-9. It is "enough".


It's not enough for all games. That's always been my point. And many games that are close to the brim were probably scaled back in some way (i.e. PGR4).

Not that the 360 is a bad system. It's just the truth.
 
Stealing another posters joke and killing it,

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Speevy said:
There's not a DVD on the planet that has a whole 9 GB of storage.

360 has 7.05 because it uses part of its already limited disc space for security, Wii has 4.7, PS3 has whatever Blu-Ray holds, 25, 50, 100.

Wii can go up to 8.5 according to IGN.
 
Mustaphadamus said:
never gonna happen, HDD space is exhaustible. It will be more of a hassle than a asset to try and bypass media.
Really? I expect to see at least 100 TB drives available at Best Buy 10 years from now, with flash storage devices trailing right behind, and ultrafast solid state storage right behind that. I think we're again at a point where the main limiting factor in storage size is demand, not technology. If the demand for some place to store your 3000 HD movie collection appears, the technology will appear not long after.
 
TigersFan said:
Really? I expect to see at least 100 TB drives available at Best Buy 10 years from now, with flash storage devices trailing right behind, and ultrafast solid state storage right behind that. I think we're again at a point where the main limiting factor in storage size is demand, not technology. If the demand for some place to store your 3000 HD movie collection appears, the technology will appear not long after.
let me explain myself. I remember when the 3 gb HDD joints came out. My uncle was the first person I knew to have one. I was like damn, you will never need more than this. It never dawned on me that as size got bigger so did files. Its not like the HDD grows and the files stay static, ya dig?
 
Nolan. said:
Also is Gears, Crackdown and Oblivion really examples of what dvd9 can still do in terms of length.? Gears was short and recieved packs later, Crackdown was short and received packs later with things that seemed like they should have been on disc to begin with not so long after it's release. Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.
Gears could use DVD5 instead of DVD9
Gears took less than 5GB of data as i remember, so Gears was a short game in mind, It doesn't have anything to do with the limitation of the disc.
 
Nolan. said:
Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.

And if you take off the extra European languages, it leaves gigs of space still available. Single SKU for multiple language is nice but not absolutely necessary.
 
Speevy said:
There's not a DVD on the planet that has a whole 9 GB of storage.

360 has 7.05 because it uses part of its already limited disc space for security, Wii has 4.7, PS3 has whatever Blu-Ray holds, 25, 50, 100.

Nope, Wii dvds can go double layer up until 8.5gigs (although no game did it yet).
 
beermonkey@tehbias said:
It wasn't a choice to save time and money, it was a choice between having some marketshare and NO marketshare. The PS3 would have obliterated the 360 from Day 1 with a concurrent launch.

If they were both north of $500, yep.
 
soco said:
superior to what, exactly? last set of specs i checked gave the original xbox the upper hand on fill-rate. maybe i had the wrong source though.
??? Wrong the PS2 was much better in fillrate than Xbox. Again I posted MGS2. Do the research and the math for both versions of that game.
 
HokieJoe said:
If they were both north of $500, yep.

The 360 would of been 1 year late and 200 more expenisve to add a HD-DVD rom. I am glad MS went they way they did I have been enjoying the next gen for a long time now. I can live with things the way they are to save my 200 dollars.
 
quest said:
The 360 would of been 1 year late and 200 more expenisve to add a HD-DVD rom. I am glad MS went they way they did I have been enjoying the next gen for a long time now. I can live with things the way they are to save my 200 dollars.
They should have delayed the console 6 months anyway for quality control. I think MS knew Blu-Ray would win but knew they couldn't support the format along with Sony. Remember the one rep who said something like "If Blu-Ray wins we will accomadate our users with a 360 Blu-Ray add-on" and they retracted it the next day saying they had full confidence in HD-DVD?

Personally I think DVD9 is fine. It's their lack of an intergrated hardrive that is hindering the console more than anything.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
3. Gears of War is 1. Bioshock is 1. Crackdown is 1. Oblivion is 1.

Would developers like more space? I'm sure they'd love it. But clearly DVD-9, based on the existence of these single disc games, is enough to deliver a next gen experience.

gears is like 6-8 hours long.
Bioshock doesnt need much space. 1 the World is not quite big and i dont think that you will see much cutscenes.
Crackdown = I dont know

Oblivion = Big world almost no story.


As I was mention before. You dont need much space for big worlds you need space for the story and the cutzenes or Oblivionlike worlds with a much greater detail oder texturequality^^
 
Darji said:
gears is like 6-8 hours long.
Bioshock doesnt need much space. 1 the World is not quite big and i dont think that you will see much cutscenes.
Crackdown = I dont know

Oblivion = Big world almost no story.


As I was mention before. You dont need much space for big worlds you need space for the story and the cutzenes or Oblivionlike worlds with a much greater detail oder texturequality^^

You mean like Mass Effect.
 
Flo_Evans said:
OK then it reminds me of cube fans! (keep in mind I had both a cube and a dreamcast). What you say is true however, 360 being the most successful 'next-gen' console so far means that games will be designed to its spec, limited or not. What worries me a little is that if the PS3 continues on its path, all that extra space is a moot point because no publisher in their right mind would pay a dev to use all that space on a failing system.

That's already happening (not to say it's failing), but as long as X360 is the market leader or even a major player in the videogame landscape, Blu Ray will not be taken advantage of by most devs. Like I said earlier it's the same shit that happened last gen with the standard HDD, very few devs used it.

I mean besides MGS and FF, what other 3rd party titles are being made with Blu Ray in mind (don't say Haze and UT3 cause they're timed exclusive and we all know they're planned for X360, ie. being able to fit on DVD9).

Blu Ray is a good bullet point and great for Sony's own games and the few 3rd party exclusives they have left. But the market decides what the "base platform becomes", last gen it was PS2, this gen it's Xbox 360. And because of that, the effectiveness of that extra awesome hardware (standard HDD last gen, Blu Ray this gen) is reduced.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
Like I said. By default it IS enough. If any next gen game exists on the format it IS enough, end of story.

What kind of logic is that? :lol


PS2 launched with some CD titles. Was that enough? You seem to have the logic backwards. If any next gen titles come out that can't fit on a DVD, then that means it isn't enough.
 
BTW, I'm not defending DVD9 and saying that Blu Ray is useless. I'm just saying that in the current market condition, Blu Ray won't be taken advantage of. We just have to suck it up and realize that this gen DVD9 is what most next-gen titles will be designed around.

I'd much rather have X360 have HD-DVD or Blu Ray standard, that way all next-gen titles would have tons of space to work with on one disc. But at the same time, if having a next-gen optical drive meant that both systems would be priced very high, then it's better than MS went with DVD9. What I'm saying is that I'd rather have more gamers playing on the HD systems (due to lower price) and be stuck with DVD9, then have a very high-end machine with all the bells and whistles and be stuck with small marketshare and less games.

It's a trade off.
 
Onix said:
What kind of logic is that? :lol


PS2 launched with some CD titles. Was that enough? You seem to have the logic backwards. If any next gen titles come out that can't fit on a DVD, then that means it isn't enough.

See I think it's the other way. If you were right, than no next gen titles would exist, because a DVD-9 isn't enough for one.

*shrugs*

I'm sure I'm thinking to loo literally, but I can't really help it.
 
Y2Kev said:
Anybody get banned? Can we just make a list so I don't have to read the thread

I posted something similar pre-E3.


I really wish there was some sort of stats that the site keeps ... ie. bannings, and from what threads.

It would be pretty damn funny to review.
 
quest said:
The 360 would of been 1 year late and 200 more expenisve to add a HD-DVD rom. I am glad MS went they way they did I have been enjoying the next gen for a long time now. I can live with things the way they are to save my 200 dollars.


I don't disagree.

Anyone arguing that Bluray is superior should consider that it won't matter one iota if the PS3 lags in third place this whole generation. Choices people, everyone has to make them- even companies. If the PS3 ends up in third place this gen then you can thank Bluray, and Cell primarily because it meant Sony had to launch later and at a higher price. Sony gambled, Nintendo gambled and MS gambled. We'll see who hits 21 when this generation is over.

As for PGR4, well, I'm not overly concerned about it. The only place it would make a difference for me is multiplayer. I'd gladly forego f***ing motorcycles and snow to get day and night at all tracks though. What I'm much more interested in than day/night or weather is more tracks! I don't care if they're DLC or what, just give me more freaking tracks Bizarre.
 
BenjaminBirdie said:
See I think it's the other way. If you were right, than no next gen titles would exist, because a DVD-9 isn't enough for one.

*shrugs*

I'm sure I'm thinking to loo literally, but I can't really help it.

You are taking it too literally ... as though it is an all or nothing situation.


Not all titles need more than DVD, and that really has not relevance to whether they are 'next gen' or not (I'm not even sure what the means).

The point is that once some titles are released that reasonably do need more than DVD, than that means DVD isn't enough since a platform using that as the media can't have said titles (though many titles can be broken into multi DVD releases).



I'm not even sure why it's an argument at this point. Once you reach the point where devs have openly acknowledged that things have had to be cut in certain titles ... or that the scope had to be designed around DVD ... you know it ain't enough.
 
Darji said:
Oblivion = Big world almost no story.


As I was mention before. You dont need much space for big worlds you need space for the story and the cutzenes or Oblivionlike worlds with a much greater detail oder texturequality^^


Oh bull****. It's not like you can't tell a story without FMV. IMO, you can tell you're story with the gameplay and in-game Cortana type chatter. Truthfully, I generally hate FMV content. For me, FMV means that the game was constrained by time, money, or laziness.
 
HokieJoe said:
Oh bull****. It's not like you can't tell a story without FMV. IMO, you can tell you're story with the gameplay and in-game Cortana type chatter. Truthfully, I generally hate FMV content. For me, FMV means that the game was constrained by time, money, or laziness.

That's funny, seeing as FMVs take more time and money then doing it with an in-game engine... And say whatever you want, some stuff can only be done on FMVs. YES even in this generation.
 
Why FMVs?

If i recall correctly, Blue Dragon have a lot of in game cut scenes and that took 3 dvds.
 
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