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DVD size limiting PGR4 (A true test in reading comprehension)
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All of this is useless anyhow, the consoles have already launched. And if you want longer games on one disc the ps3 is there if you want longer games on multiple discs the 360's there. Though we're yet to see a game with the scale of Sotc truly realised coupled with longevity and add a splash of enjoyment from 3rd or 1st parties.
soul creator
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Son of Godzilla said:
heh, I remember when I worked at gamestop, and customers would ask me about the differences between PS2/Xbox.
"Well, the Xbox has a hard drive built-in so you don't have to buy an extra memory card, and is a more powerful system! The PS2 has more games though since it's more popular"
*Customer looks at massive PS2 section on wall*
"I'll get a PS2."
mckmas8808
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Tobor said:
Why? It's going to be on one disc.
neojubei said:
well in the case of PGR4 it's obvious; if you want to play some track that's on disc 1 and then the next track is on disc 2 and the third on 1...well, you get the point.
As for DVD being maxed out...I've said it before and I'll say it again (Shang Tsung voice): IT HAS BEGUN
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Busty said:
It's a troll trap. Easier for mods to ban them...
PepsimanVsJoe
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Jel0man said:
I'm not sure we'll be alive when that day comes.
Mustaphadamus
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never gonna happen, HDD space is exhaustible. It will be more of a hassle than a asset to try and bypass media.Jel0man said:
heh. I remembered GT2. MY first GT loveAlso is Gears, Crackdown and Oblivion really examples of what dvd9 can still do in terms of length.? Gears was short and recieved packs later, Crackdown was short and received packs later with things that seemed like they should have been on disc to begin with not so long after it's release. Oblivion had it's share of problems but is probably the only fair example.
Jel0man said:
Then it will be edible data storage. Fans arguing whose format is more delicious. The Xbox 720's data pears or the PS4's digital storage waffles.
Waffles
shagg_187 said:It's a troll trap. Easier for mods to ban them...
Ahhh. It seems that some of the trolls from both 'sides' seem to be intent on ingoring some of the more logical argument such as first party offerings and instead arguing on whether GTA4 will be a double disc game or not.
Pfft.
PjotrStroganov
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Nolan. said:
The length of a game doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the diskspace it uses. The added content for Crackdown was mostly more gamemodes, instead of more in-game assets.
mckmas8808
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BenjaminBirdie said:
It's not enough for all games. That's always been my point. And many games that are close to the brim were probably scaled back in some way (i.e. PGR4).
Not that the 360 is a bad system. It's just the truth.
Really? I expect to see at least 100 TB drives available at Best Buy 10 years from now, with flash storage devices trailing right behind, and ultrafast solid state storage right behind that. I think we're again at a point where the main limiting factor in storage size is demand, not technology. If the demand for some place to store your 3000 HD movie collection appears, the technology will appear not long after.Mustaphadamus said:
Mustaphadamus
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let me explain myself. I remember when the 3 gb HDD joints came out. My uncle was the first person I knew to have one. I was like damn, you will never need more than this. It never dawned on me that as size got bigger so did files. Its not like the HDD grows and the files stay static, ya dig?TigersFan said:
Beer Monkey
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Nolan. said:
And if you take off the extra European languages, it leaves gigs of space still available. Single SKU for multiple language is nice but not absolutely necessary.
Speevy said:
"Slot-loading disc drive compatible with 8 cm Nintendo GameCube Game Disc and 12 cm Wii Optical Disc"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii
DVD9 is 12 cm, no?
Dash Kappei
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Speevy said:
Nope, Wii dvds can go double layer up until 8.5gigs (although no game did it yet).
They should have delayed the console 6 months anyway for quality control. I think MS knew Blu-Ray would win but knew they couldn't support the format along with Sony. Remember the one rep who said something like "If Blu-Ray wins we will accomadate our users with a 360 Blu-Ray add-on" and they retracted it the next day saying they had full confidence in HD-DVD?quest said:
Personally I think DVD9 is fine. It's their lack of an intergrated hardrive that is hindering the console more than anything.
BenjaminBirdie said:
gears is like 6-8 hours long.
Bioshock doesnt need much space. 1 the World is not quite big and i dont think that you will see much cutscenes.
Crackdown = I dont know
Oblivion = Big world almost no story.
As I was mention before. You dont need much space for big worlds you need space for the story and the cutzenes or Oblivionlike worlds with a much greater detail oder texturequality^^
BenjaminBirdie
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Darji said:
You mean like Mass Effect.
akachan ningen
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AdmiralViscen said:
The first time a developer has actually admitted it, at least.
Flo_Evans said:
That's already happening (not to say it's failing), but as long as X360 is the market leader or even a major player in the videogame landscape, Blu Ray will not be taken advantage of by most devs. Like I said earlier it's the same shit that happened last gen with the standard HDD, very few devs used it.
I mean besides MGS and FF, what other 3rd party titles are being made with Blu Ray in mind (don't say Haze and UT3 cause they're timed exclusive and we all know they're planned for X360, ie. being able to fit on DVD9).
Blu Ray is a good bullet point and great for Sony's own games and the few 3rd party exclusives they have left. But the market decides what the "base platform becomes", last gen it was PS2, this gen it's Xbox 360. And because of that, the effectiveness of that extra awesome hardware (standard HDD last gen, Blu Ray this gen) is reduced.
BTW, I'm not defending DVD9 and saying that Blu Ray is useless. I'm just saying that in the current market condition, Blu Ray won't be taken advantage of. We just have to suck it up and realize that this gen DVD9 is what most next-gen titles will be designed around.
I'd much rather have X360 have HD-DVD or Blu Ray standard, that way all next-gen titles would have tons of space to work with on one disc. But at the same time, if having a next-gen optical drive meant that both systems would be priced very high, then it's better than MS went with DVD9. What I'm saying is that I'd rather have more gamers playing on the HD systems (due to lower price) and be stuck with DVD9, then have a very high-end machine with all the bells and whistles and be stuck with small marketshare and less games.
It's a trade off.
I'd much rather have X360 have HD-DVD or Blu Ray standard, that way all next-gen titles would have tons of space to work with on one disc. But at the same time, if having a next-gen optical drive meant that both systems would be priced very high, then it's better than MS went with DVD9. What I'm saying is that I'd rather have more gamers playing on the HD systems (due to lower price) and be stuck with DVD9, then have a very high-end machine with all the bells and whistles and be stuck with small marketshare and less games.
It's a trade off.
ElectricBlue187
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Y2Kev said:
two people on page 7 i think
BenjaminBirdie
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Onix said:
See I think it's the other way. If you were right, than no next gen titles would exist, because a DVD-9 isn't enough for one.
*shrugs*
I'm sure I'm thinking to loo literally, but I can't really help it.
quest said:
I don't disagree.
Anyone arguing that Bluray is superior should consider that it won't matter one iota if the PS3 lags in third place this whole generation. Choices people, everyone has to make them- even companies. If the PS3 ends up in third place this gen then you can thank Bluray, and Cell primarily because it meant Sony had to launch later and at a higher price. Sony gambled, Nintendo gambled and MS gambled. We'll see who hits 21 when this generation is over.
As for PGR4, well, I'm not overly concerned about it. The only place it would make a difference for me is multiplayer. I'd gladly forego f***ing motorcycles and snow to get day and night at all tracks though. What I'm much more interested in than day/night or weather is more tracks! I don't care if they're DLC or what, just give me more freaking tracks Bizarre.
BenjaminBirdie said:
You are taking it too literally ... as though it is an all or nothing situation.
Not all titles need more than DVD, and that really has not relevance to whether they are 'next gen' or not (I'm not even sure what the means).
The point is that once some titles are released that reasonably do need more than DVD, than that means DVD isn't enough since a platform using that as the media can't have said titles (though many titles can be broken into multi DVD releases).
I'm not even sure why it's an argument at this point. Once you reach the point where devs have openly acknowledged that things have had to be cut in certain titles ... or that the scope had to be designed around DVD ... you know it ain't enough.
Metalmurphy
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HokieJoe said:
That's funny, seeing as FMVs take more time and money then doing it with an in-game engine... And say whatever you want, some stuff can only be done on FMVs. YES even in this generation.
abacab driver
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:lol @ this thread.