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Dying Daughter's Health Insurance Cut By Wells Fargo
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SillyEskimo
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I'll answer this question with a question.
When he was filling out his time cards, did the times he put in favor his wallet or Wells Fargo? Do you think this happened once? Twice?
As soon as anyone is caught fudging numbers, they are gone. It's not the company's fault for discovering and firing an employee that is stealing from them.
Yet another reason why I'm self employed. :-/
ReBurn
Gold Member
If this child had been in a household below the federal poverty level when she was diagnosed with cancer chances are that Medicaid would have been covering her medical costs. I think that if a parent loses their job and health insurance that at least the kids need to be instantly eligible for Medicaid.
The reason for this guy being fired isn't the real issue. The real issue is a child being denied a life saving operation because her father was fired from his job. Healthcare in this country is so fucked up it's disgusting. We deserve better than this.
JzeroT1437
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Are you telling me that big business is filled with self-absorbed jerks?
Color me surprised.
Color me surprised.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I guess it just wasn't profitable for them.
Anticitizen One
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Wasn't this made illegal under the healthcare act
hockeypuck
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The little girl had stage IV sarcoma with lung metastases by 2008.
http://www.sendkidstheworld.com/index.php/kids-details.html?id=10
Whatever the procedure was, it wasn't life-saving. I'm sure what Wells Fargo did is despicable but a hospital didn't let a girl die in vain.
SillyEskimo
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His boss did not make up numbers and put them in. He filled it out, his boss input what he filled out.
His defense is "Hey! My boss didn't say it was wrong!". He was likely caught on the back end in payroll. This crap happens all the time.
elrechazado
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COBRA. She could have been.
Pachterballs
Banned
I hope he wins.
ClassyPenguin
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Homer : America's health care system is second only to Japan, Canada, Sweden, Great Britain, well... all of Europe. But you can thank your lucky stars we don't live in Paraguay!
SillyEskimo
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It's the perfect storm of lawsuits though. Child died from cancer, father fired from job by evil bank, health care, it's got everything and hits all the right buttons. Judging by the gut reactions in this thread the prosecution would be lucky to have NeoGaf members on the jury.
Being in the healthcare business I would not be surprised that they would cancel the surgery. The hospital would only be able to confirm that the health coverage stopped 3 days before they surgery. They would have to wait for the COBRA enrollment AND payment before being able to "confirm" that she would be covered under insurance. Hospitals don't just "take your word for it"
Did you read the quote I posted?
His supervisor is the one handling things and he addressed the issue directly. Given the circumstances it seems reasonable, with both planned and unplanned hospital trips, he might not have known the exact hours he had worked. His boss seemed to think so and gave him a break. If it was such an egregious thing why wasn't the supervisor taken down with him seeing as he was complicit in the crime?
Then there's this:
Which seems to suggest that his supervisor wasn't aware of anything he'd done that would warrant his being fired. Obviously this is all one sided at this point but anyone who has dealt with insurance in the US shouldn't be surprised if it all turns out to be true. Why jump to defend his employer?
I know I shouldn't be surprised but a lot of the posts so far are treating things that are directly addressed in the OP as unknowns that call the whole thing in to question. I can understand not wanting to read the whole article but if you're going to reply at least read the whole OP.
The gut reaction seems fairly split to me. Someone called the whole lawsuit into question in the first 10 posts and people preceded to ignore information given in the OP to justify it somehow being anyone but the banks fault.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
thats such a shitty excuse, especially when his supervisor is the one inputting it.
how would they know what his actual hours worked are if they allowed him to just phone in whatever hours he worked?
wouldnt he more likely get fired for not doing his job correctly rather than inputting wrong hours if he wasn't working?
seems like a scummy thing to do and Wells Fargo didnt want to have their premiums upped on account of one girl who needed treatment for cancer.
how would they know what his actual hours worked are if they allowed him to just phone in whatever hours he worked?
wouldnt he more likely get fired for not doing his job correctly rather than inputting wrong hours if he wasn't working?
seems like a scummy thing to do and Wells Fargo didnt want to have their premiums upped on account of one girl who needed treatment for cancer.
Then she is fucking up as almost every cardiac med has a generic that is on a 4 dollar plan somewhere
SouthernDragon
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Dude.
The timecard excuse is basically when you've run out of every other procedural nitpick that you can get rid of an employee with. I've seen it done in both union and non-union jobs, and it's BS every time it's done. Nobody fills out their timecards 100% right 100% of the time.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
the only time where i see it as something that you arent trying to nitpick and force someone out like what seems to be the case here, is when someone is literally filling out time sheets or clocking in and is nowhere to be seen in the store on multiple occasions.
there was 1 person that was like that and we monitored when he came in and said he worked and he was literally not there but saying he worked. but cases like that are super blatant.
plus, i would assume someone like this would have a salary job and it wouldnt even matter as long as he put in 40 hours a week and did his job.
I'm almost certain that:
He reported his own time and his boss simply signed off on it.
His boss told him not to worry about his schedule. Of course they would accommodate reasonable absences and changes in schedule due his daughter's illness. They wouldn't tolerate straight lying about hours worked, however.
I've seen several people get canned for it.
BS every time it's done? lolwut I've seen people rack up hundreds of hours of false time before getting canned. And I've never made an error filling out a time card. It's really fucking simple. Time in. Time out. Don't lie.
I can recall reading a post yonks ago from somebody who swore black and blue that the health care system in America should stay the way it is because it being a for-profit industry is what drives ambition among medical practitioners and therefore moving to a socialised system would see a drop in health care quality.
Not sure if serious.
Happens all the time when employers are looking to get rid of someone. It's usually written as a fireable offense in the companies' policies along with falsifying paperwork and many other things. Companies won't usually do that unless your a slack worker or they want to make an example of you. If you can prove though that the company is letting other people slide though it opens them up for a lawsuit. This is a moneygrab based on emotion.
I don't get this part...
So he still had insurance?
You're privy to details not in the article or you invented information? If his supervisor didn't question it I doubt he was outright lying.
How does this refute anything? In fact it seems to reinforce the idea that people get away with it all the time.
From the OP:
Slackbladder
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What I see here is a company not giving a fuck for their employees. But that is commonplace amongst businesses in my experience. Out of the 4 I've worked for only one had any time for the people who worked for them and (generally) made them their money. All the others were complete and utter shit-holes, run by complete and utter shit-heads. You can not trust business men or businesses, particularly big business. And in a recession that is more true than ever.
They're not. United Health Care is the carrier.
My brother's job did the same thing to him before one of his surgeries.
The lapse in coverage allowed the cancer to grow rampant in his liver
Just decided I'm not telling my employer if I ever get cancer.
Wonder if the healthcare companies contact the employer though and give them a heads up...
Really shitty of the hospital to cancel the surgery though. I don't like the fact these are for-profit places...
Majima Everywhere System
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They don't even buy policies. They are big enough to act as their own insurance company, and they hire some group like United Healthcare to administer the plans. You know, make cards, track money, oversee pre-certification, etc.
POWERSPHERE
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Time for The Rainmaker
Having fired people in the past I think this dude has a hell of a case. When I fired people I required all kinds of documentation that I had given them tons of warnings and that they never improved and that they met with me to discuss the situation and all that.
Saying "you screwed up on your time sheet!" and that's it? Yeah, that'd be a lawsuit right there let alone the situation with the daughter.
Saying "you screwed up on your time sheet!" and that's it? Yeah, that'd be a lawsuit right there let alone the situation with the daughter.
Not if Wells Fargo is an ASO/ASC account, which as Elcharazo pointed out above, means they pay their own claims. The health insurance is simply the administrator here.
Zoe
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The benefits administrator does receive statistics on what kind of procedures are being ordered.
Yea and that probably would have cost them about 1k a month, if not more.
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