davepoobond
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Chris Michael said:So... it's official? Like officially official?
This is one of the saddest days ever.I love E3.
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E3 Cancelled for Next Year and "Forseeable Future"?
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IF this is true will this make places like GAF more important or less??!
XBL marketplace killed it
Not exactly, but now with demos being able to be brought directly to consumers and media delivered online, via consoles or gamespot/ign, the need for E3 significantly decreases. Small press events on the side is the way E3 had been going for the past couple of years because it had become too big for its own good. MS has X06 etc.., Sony has some events and nintendo used to have spaceworld(maybe they will bring it back). My only concern is that Gamespot/IGN now have much more control than before because gaming companies will be forced to use them to promote their games and thus become far more powerful.
Not exactly, but now with demos being able to be brought directly to consumers and media delivered online, via consoles or gamespot/ign, the need for E3 significantly decreases. Small press events on the side is the way E3 had been going for the past couple of years because it had become too big for its own good. MS has X06 etc.., Sony has some events and nintendo used to have spaceworld(maybe they will bring it back). My only concern is that Gamespot/IGN now have much more control than before because gaming companies will be forced to use them to promote their games and thus become far more powerful.
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GashPrex said:
bull****, Marketplace is no different then OXM or OPM that had demo disc with them.
They only thing is that it is now a little bit more convenient
FTWer said:
well yes thats my point, much easier for anybody to try a demo. I am not saying its the only reason, but you have to see how media coverage has been moving the past couple of years. By the time E3 starts gamespot already has all the media and the only thing interesting is the conferences. Its now possible, unlike before to watch a 30 min preview of a game in hi res.
Magazines and E3 made sense in the day when media couldn't be brought to you over the internet, today they have become far less relevant.
momolicious
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so where is kojima goign to show his BIG trailers?
border said:
Sure it is. It started as a way for developers to show off their games to publishers, but that's not its function anymore. The purpose that E3 has evolved is for the publishers to show off their game portfolios to journalists to create buzz and hype with consumers.
Sure you will, they just won't all be at the same time in may. They will be at the will of the publishers showing off to gamespot/ign.
soundwave05
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GashPrex said:
It's be like that since like 1995 though ... while I agree some changes needed to be made, axing the entire event just seems like a massive step backwards for the industry.
E3 was like the glue that held everything together. The industry just isn't as fun anymore I think.
Sega's gone. Nintendo's basically saying with the Wii that they don't feel confident with traditional gamers. Microsoft as a game company has the personality of the PC guy in those Mac/PC Apple commercials.
I dunno. I guess it's just a bunch of things all coming together over a bunch of years. E3 getting axed just seems like the last straw.
Christopher
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kablooey said:
Nope.
Chris Michael
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I don't know how some of you could actually be happy about this news. I know E3 releases an overwhelming amount of information, but if E3 ceases to exist then companies WILL be more secretive than ever. ((((
((((Why are they doing this? Because of money?
E3 is an important social aspect to the gaming community, generates much hype (which = sales), and just boosts the image of the gaming industry overall. I cannot think of a reason why they would pull the plug on this. Costs too much money? Everything does. It was so ideal. One single event, tons of big companies, and most years a ton of games worth paying attention to were announced almost simultaneously, really sparking interest around the globe.
Now we're just going to have smaller shows with specific themes? Why? This just seems like a big mistake... it's a step backwards... you WANT everyone to be in the same place. It's like a snapshot of where the ENTIRE industry is and what you can expect.
And, back to the social part. It gave gamers a place to meet up, hang out, and have fun. Perhaps the most important thing. What a shame.
I've always wanted to go. Oh well.
But this really is terrible news.
E3 is an important social aspect to the gaming community, generates much hype (which = sales), and just boosts the image of the gaming industry overall. I cannot think of a reason why they would pull the plug on this. Costs too much money? Everything does. It was so ideal. One single event, tons of big companies, and most years a ton of games worth paying attention to were announced almost simultaneously, really sparking interest around the globe.
Now we're just going to have smaller shows with specific themes? Why? This just seems like a big mistake... it's a step backwards... you WANT everyone to be in the same place. It's like a snapshot of where the ENTIRE industry is and what you can expect.
And, back to the social part. It gave gamers a place to meet up, hang out, and have fun. Perhaps the most important thing. What a shame.
I've always wanted to go. Oh well.
But this really is terrible news.
soundwave05 said:
Yes it has but the technology has evolved to the point where publishers no longer need e3. Once again, that is just one of the reasons. Another large one is the incredible inefficiency of E3 and trying to get people to form some sort of opinion about a demo in 5 min on a crowded floor with tons of people and loud music.
Personally I see a couple of little events replacing E3. I think this is like a huge do-over for the industry.
There's a ton of other purposes for the expo, as it is a chance for game makers to connect with the people running distribution and retail markets. Not to mention that there's a number of discussion panels, conferences, and any number of networking opportunities. Spend some time outside the Exhibit Halls and you'll see.GashPrex said:
GashPrex said:
No you won't. Take the Crysis demo for example, if it was closed doors they'd have showed it to a few of the big sites and we'd get a few clips (IF the devs allowed it). but at E3 tons of people played it so we got videos of whole playthroughs from them showing lots of stuff.
border said:
Well I won't pretend to know much about the business aspect, but you'd have to believe that there would be plenty of opporunities for this type of thing. Plus I think the GDC is far more useful for developers for networking, conferences, and discussion panels.
soundwave05
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It's kind of embarrassing IMO that an industry as big as the game industry won't have a centralized trade show though any way you spin it.
I mean hell, even the porn industry can put together a big show.
I mean hell, even the porn industry can put together a big show.
When else do all the major and minor players of the entire industry come together in a single building?GashPrex said:
GDC is for developers. Developers are a pretty small segment of the games industry, when you think about it. E3 programming tracks cater to people in all sorts of positions beyond game creation. Spend a little while looking at the conference schedules from last May and you can see that.
The Rise of Mobile Entertainment: Upcoming trends and new opportunities in mobile games, music, and TV
Partnering with Madison Avenue: How to profit from the prominence of games
New rules in play: Deciphering the modern-day game deal
Where games fit into the new digital economy
Digital distribution lays down tracks: Where direct-to-consumer game distribution stands today
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Diablos said:
do you think the last E3 helped sony?
Companies are scared of getting ripped apart on the net by forum nerds.
Dude. They're gonna get "ripped apart" by bedroom critics REGARDLESS.
It's as simple as
a. company releases info
b. People bitch across the internets
c. rinse, wash, repeat
YOU CAN'T STOP IT. Don't make the biggest advertising asset that you have available go down the tubes because a bunch of people who are picky ruin it for people who are mostly just like themselves. You can't change the way they think. That's not EVERY SINGLE GAMER though.
Ditching E3 will not change this. Companies can expect the forumgoers to keep on bitchin' and moanin'.
It's as simple as
a. company releases info
b. People bitch across the internets
c. rinse, wash, repeat
YOU CAN'T STOP IT. Don't make the biggest advertising asset that you have available go down the tubes because a bunch of people who are picky ruin it for people who are mostly just like themselves. You can't change the way they think. That's not EVERY SINGLE GAMER though.
Ditching E3 will not change this. Companies can expect the forumgoers to keep on bitchin' and moanin'.
Christopher
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soundwave05 said:
:lol you really think games are as mainstream as porn and movies? Your inner gamer is really scraping for pieces here.
Personally, I am not "happy" about it. Its my fav time of the year in terms of gaming info, but I understand why this might be happening. I've even taken days off from work to just sit and soak in all the info.
What I think is that E3 was broken and needed to be fixed. I don't think just canceling it is good but I am sure there will be shows to replace it.
What I think is that E3 was broken and needed to be fixed. I don't think just canceling it is good but I am sure there will be shows to replace it.
soundwave05
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Christopher said:
Regardless, if the gong show that is the porn industry can get stop jizzing on each other for a weekend to get together and put up a nice high end event ... it is somewhat embarrassing that the game industry can't at least manage the same. Comparing to Hollywood is pointless, since I never suggested the game industry is as big as the Hollywood motion picture industry (not even close).
Pretty much every big industry has one yearly event that brings everyone together. And lets face it, it was really cool to have Japanese, European, and North American developers all together under one roof. IMO, with an industry as diverse as gaming, we need an event that brings together everyone at least once a year. Not only that, but where else are you going to see Steven Spielberg with Shigeru Miyamoto? E3 is more than just the sum of its parts.
Kobun Heat
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this is great that in merely 12 pages you guys have gotten to the point where you think this is all because of GAF.
Diablos said:
What do the big publishers, especially the hardware manufacturers, get out of E3 that they can't do on their own cheaper and in a much more controlled fashion? If there's need for a show, they can put on a show without having to fight over schedules or space, they get to decide who gets to see the games and how much. E3 has become "who wins the conferences", some games get lost because there are too many, and many games which require longer play time to appreciate them don't fare well with short play time and long lines.
Kabuki Quantum Lover
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border said:
Porn makes a lot of money.*
Not from me, though.
Y2Kevbug11 said:That's why it's cancelled!
I can't name any other trade show where regular old fans go en masse. Nobody goes to the national association of plumbers convention.
E3 has become a giant joke of a "trade show."
Not only that, but really, what kind of percentage of these "gamers" who go to socialize are we talking about thats effected. 1 percent? Alot of melodrama going on in this thread.
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Y2Kevbug11 said:That's why it's cancelled!
I can't name any other trade show where regular old fans go en masse. Nobody goes to the national association of plumbers convention.
E3 has become a giant joke of a "trade show."
Oh well: Charge admission and call it Disneyland.
I can't see how having normal non-industry people interested is a bad thing.
Christopher
BDE (Big Dad Energy)
Ponn01 said:
I think it's quite the other way around, e3 basically is a little get together of "gamers" to go chit chat as well.
davepoobond
you can't put a price on sparks
BocoDragon said:
maybe because we're having this discussion in the first place should tell you why?
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