Messofanego
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lol ok that would only work if the whole game was just the trial runs DLC, maybe you should play it before judging the design.
BTW, Dear Esther has the same environment artist, Robert Briscoe, from Mirror's Edge.
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EA: Mirror's Edge 2 is "on the list" of things to do
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lol ok that would only work if the whole game was just the trial runs DLC, maybe you should play it before judging the design.
BTW, Dear Esther has the same environment artist, Robert Briscoe, from Mirror's Edge.
I've played it a couple of times (A couple of hours in total probably.).
But it wasn't a trashing attempt at Mirrors Edge -- it's more or less an opinon based on how I just can't figure out how video games are so extremely expensive. Yes, I understand people need to be paid, programs need to be licensed, but the insane amounts of money they claim they spend on games/need to make games just seems way too much.
I wouldn't be surprised if :
1. The ridiculous amounts of money "needed to make a game" is an elaborate ruse maintained by publishers/people who make money off games -- and like 50% of the money goes to a couple of executives of a game project who don't really do anything. I mean, who would know? The bill would state some sort of expenses necessary for the project or split across many people/shell companies for 'expenditures'', or whatever, while the people who work on the game wouldn't care as long as they are paid their normal expected salary.
2. Or if that's not the case, perhaps 50-80% goes to famous voice actors, or marketing -- but not the game itself.
3. People who are new to the industry who somehow made lots of money off a game (An indie developer for example.) and got into a position where he/she would be in control of a game project would quickly learn the "tricks" since the established publishers have been around for a very long time, or came from a similar industry with, most likely, similar tricks.
4. Or maybe the "big" companies are extremely inefficient -- ie, they have 150 people working and getting paid on a project, but due to the complex pipeline of game production & development, it gets bogged down so extremely much that if they somehow managed to produce the game efficiently, a game that's made in 2 years by 150 people should have easily been made in 2 months or less.
That's actually quite a good sidescroller (or was...I get terrible performance in the browser I just tried it with, but it probably works with other browsers).
The last time I looked it up, I think he was AN environment artist -- he worked on a level or three, not the whole game. But someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
TheVampire
Banned
EA needs to get started on making Mirrors Edge 2 already.
They already got all the assets and engine from the first game.
They already got all the assets and engine from the first game.
chertipros
Member
That actually looks like alot of fun
kingofthedead45
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Messofanego
Banned
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3rAbpwUgw
According to the credits, he's the only environment artist. The old mod might have had different environment artists, but this new version seems to be all his beast.
Just take it with you.
Member
I liked the first Mirror's Edge quite a bit and would like another, but seeing EA hem and haw about it shows which way the wind is blowing.
BlazingDarkness
Member
I would buy a ME2, providing a few things:
- No combat
- Present the cut-scenes in a different way, or have none at all
- Make it longer, I'm not really interested in extra content including time trials and whatnot, I'd rather just have a longer story
- Keep the same style with the visuals and music
- Less focus on a throwaway story, more focus on adding interesting gameplay elements
- No combat
- Present the cut-scenes in a different way, or have none at all
- Make it longer, I'm not really interested in extra content including time trials and whatnot, I'd rather just have a longer story
- Keep the same style with the visuals and music
- Less focus on a throwaway story, more focus on adding interesting gameplay elements
Weather Dynamics. I want to run on rooftops at night in the rain. An open-world also would be awesome.
LiquidMetal14
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By passively saying this instead of having it on the slate for this year or something! Come on sons, start pushing for this to come out within 5 years!
Wasn't this going to happen for ME on Wii and PSP but was ultimately canned? Except in that situation I believe it was Backbone who was going to take the dump, lol.
Sax Russel
Banned
Yeaaaaah. From the sounds of that, even if we get ME2 it won't be anything like the ME2 everyone wants it to be, it'll be the ME2 that they can market and sell to the masses. Also sounds like DICE won't be making it, *sigh*
Basically the opposite of everything this guy said =P
Basically the opposite of everything this guy said =P
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Deleted member 30609
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Every time I hear rumblings about this sequel, I boot up Mirror's Edge just to get a taste for it again and I'm always... slightly disappointed. It was so close to being what I wanted it to be.
People always want to remove the elements that made the first one exhilarating to play
It absolutely would not and I can only assume you never played the original. Open world and Mirror's Edge are completely incompatible.
I recall (but could be wrong) the developers saying much the same thing prior to the launch when everyone was screaming "open world!!!" back then, too.
The Hermit
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Having a threesome is also in my "list to do"... doesn't mean it will happen though.
BlazingDarkness
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People always want to remove the elements that made the first one exhilarating to play
It absolutely would not and I can only assume you never played the original. Open world and Mirror's Edge are completely incompatible.
I recall (but could be wrong) the developers saying much the same thing prior to the launch when everyone was screaming "open world!!!" back then, too.
Combat just ruined the flow and the pacing completely in the original, not to mention it was frustrating and a bit janky. There's lots of other things they can do with the gameplay to make it exhilarating
I agree about the open world thing, a game like ME needs a pretty defined direction otherwise it will just fall apart. Think perhaps, an open/explorable Sonic game compared to the traditional style, not as good.
Fox Mulder
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I don't want a Mirrors Edge sequel.
EA ruined Mass Effect and Dead Space by giving them ''broad appeal''. I don't need to see them do the same to another game I enjoyed.
EA ruined Mass Effect and Dead Space by giving them ''broad appeal''. I don't need to see them do the same to another game I enjoyed.
OgTheClever
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For me I'm far more interested in extra time trials and similar kinds of modes which add competition and replayability. Ideally full multiplayer modes are necessary as well so I've a least go something to do if another sequel is never released afterwards (I still play Mirror's edge every few months at the moment still). The story mode just feels like the equivalent of a tutorial in ME1. I do agree with the rest of your points though (except maybe some aspects of combat because some of the best sections in the story mode were chase scenes).
It was meant to be atrocious and "janky" (it wasn't janky, but whatever, we'll roll with that description). That was the point. Faith isn't a soldier.
And it certainly didn't ruin the flow. It enhanced it by creating new lines and speeding up traversal. Typical Mirror's Edge combat encounter play-out:
Sprint past first guy or two > come across lone enemy, get in close as he'll melee > counter the melee, disarming him of his gun > use gun to fire off a few shots at police, opening up a new path briefly before other guys move in > ditch the gun and sprint through that newly opened path
The guns were all about use-and-discard. It's there to assist Faith, not empower her. And man, do I feel like a badass whenever I disarm an enemy and use their own gun to open up a new running line.
You're never forced to do it - you can always take the slow way if you want to - but it's a valid and useful option and certainly fits in with the whole "being chased, get out NOW!" feel of the game. You then have the time trials for just pure platforming.
I guess I could see how people got frustrated if they were expecting accuracy or for the game to magically switch into a full-blown FPS once they picked up a gun, but for what it needed to achieve, it performed beautifully.
Because ME gameplay depends on very carefully designed linear levels. Open world means you'll be coming in from all angles, making design near impossible. To make open world work, you'd need to radically alter the mechanics to something like Assassins Creed.
Mirror's Edge is a linear game for a reason.
Oh EA....every time I come to terms with the death of this game you always give me hope in the form of hints of your semi interest in maybe doing a sequel eventually
Well if they ever decide to go through with it, I think we will all benefit from a lack of esurance style cutscenes
Well if they ever decide to go through with it, I think we will all benefit from a lack of esurance style cutscenes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS3rAbpwUgw
According to the credits, he's the only environment artist. The old mod might have had different environment artists, but this new version seems to be all his beast.
I think he was talking about ME, not DE.
Most of the places you thought were "pace-killing" could probably be avoided with a much faster route
Playing through the game after getting all the stars on the tine trials was an eye-opening experience.
I think they nailed so much on the first attempt that I barely see how a sequel could surpass it. I want one for sure, but maybe it's best they take their time and wait for next-gen where they can truly take the concept to the next level with larger scale, maybe running through crowded streets and such.. Multiplayer would be great if they had stuff like a huge area and you have to beat the other players to a location, or one player is chased, or some kind of co-op.. sooo much potential.