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[charlequin]

Welcome to reality. Welcome to the open market of PC.

One of the "realities" of the "open market of PC" is that companies hell-bent on nickel-and-dime profits at the expense of the consumer can aggressively make things really fucking shitty if they put their minds to it. Many publishers active on PC essentially conspired to ruin the platform in the early 2000s and the emergence of a sane, consumer-friendly DD regime is one of the elements that's helped make it awesome again. EA or any other big publisher trying to go it alone (rather than working together with dedicated DD retailers to craft a scenario where they both win) just makes things worse for everyone again and no one should be defending it on the basis of "EA gots to get paid son!"

 

[Spire]

And so it begins, each publisher with their own platform that goes nowhere and does nothing other that make it super annoying to play my games.

 

[kamspy]

EADM get's some great sales and promo codes, and you can dig up EA retail games off ebay or amazon and link those.

I got Shift 2 for $18, and they gave me Darkspore for free because my D2D Bulletstorm key wouldn't link to EADM, which they fixed as well. Just told me to pick any game off the service and Darkspore was the only thing I didn't have.

It's not very annoying at all.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

If you have no desire to buy any EA games on PC, I can see this stance. Otherwise, it is really, really silly. Did anyone NOT see this coming? Did you really think big publishers would let Valve and Steam just run away with a gigantic chunk of everything? That's silly. They want their money so they will jump in sooner or later. Welcome to reality. Welcome to the open market of PC.

This is all well and good, but my point was more that, at this stage, anyone entering the PC game DD space who is packing another client to sit in my system tray can take a long walk off a short pier. If they had taken the Battle.net route (direct web downloads, torrents for patching and only in-game connectivity) then I wouldn't be abandoning them.

And like charlie said, I can't even remember the last EA game I played. Checking my Steam games, it looks like it was Dead Space 2, which I also remember being marked up from the US price in my region for no good reason. So I don't really have a lot of faith in EA to make games I want to play, or a service which prices games competitively enough for me to want to use yet another client.

 

[coopolon]

Hmm I don't remember there being a limit on Steam so I thought I'd bring it up.

Did you add your Steam copy of Burnout to EADM? How? I don't have a CD Key for my Steam copy of Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box.

This is all well and good, but my point was more that, at this stage, anyone entering the PC game DD space who is packing another client to sit in my system tray can take a long walk off a short pier. If they had taken the Battle.net route (direct web downloads, torrents for patching and only in-game connectivity) then I wouldn't be abandoning them.

You don't have to run your games through Origin, it doesn't have to run in your tray except when it's actually downloading a game. But you do have to have it installed to DL the games. You can tell it not to autostart on Windows Start Up, and after it finishes downloading you can tell it to really close, not close to tray.

 

[Exuro]

Did you add your Steam copy of Burnout to EADM? How? I don't have a CD Key for my Steam copy of Burnout Paradise: The Ultimate Box.

Yes you do, right click the game(needs to be installed/downloading) and a "view cd key" should be on the list.

 

[coopolon]

Yes you do, right click the game(needs to be installed/downloading) and a "view cd key" should be on the list.

Ahh! I didn't know you had to have it installed to see the CD Key. Thanks! Not that it matters really, I guess maybe someday I'll want to run Burnout without Steam running or something.

One of the "realities" of the "open market of PC" is that companies hell-bent on nickel-and-dime profits at the expense of the consumer can aggressively make things really fucking shitty if they put their minds to it. Many publishers active on PC essentially conspired to ruin the platform in the early 2000s and the emergence of a sane, consumer-friendly DD regime is one of the elements that's helped make it awesome again. EA or any other big publisher trying to go it alone (rather than working together with dedicated DD retailers to craft a scenario where they both win) just makes things worse for everyone again and no one should be defending it on the basis of "EA gots to get paid son!"

But you yourself just earlier were saying how you don't mind it that Blizzard's doing it. And EA's actually doing a pretty job of it, and they are rewarding their customers with early and aggressive sales.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

One of the "realities" of the "open market of PC" is that companies hell-bent on nickel-and-dime profits at the expense of the consumer can aggressively make things really fucking shitty if they put their minds to it. Many publishers active on PC essentially conspired to ruin the platform in the early 2000s and the emergence of a sane, consumer-friendly DD regime is one of the elements that's helped make it awesome again. EA or any other big publisher trying to go it alone (rather than working together with dedicated DD retailers to craft a scenario where they both win) just makes things worse for everyone again and no one should be defending it on the basis of "EA gots to get paid son!"

This too. Handing distribution to the publishers is not going to be some amazing boon for consumers. Even if Steam and the others continue to list EA games, that puts EA in a dangerously powerful position. And yes, of course Valve are also a publisher, but they're basically always the exception to every rule when it comes to anti-consumer practices in the industry.

You don't have to run your games through Origin, it doesn't have to run in your tray except when it's actually downloading a game. But you do have to have it installed to DL the games. You can tell it not to autostart on Windows Start Up, and after it finishes downloading you can tell it to really close, not close to tray.

Oh, well that's nice. It doesn't really change the fact that I don't want to install yet another client though, the system tray thing was just a convenient way of making that point, so sorry for any confusion.

 

[nyong]

Well, I've got to hand it to EA...this is pretty slick. Someone really needs to come up with a universal client--like Trillian for instant messengers--that enables people to stay in contact across the different digital platforms.

I also noticed that Mercenaries 2 ($9.99) makes no mention of the servers being offline and specifically mentions co-op as a feature. Anyone want to conform it works?

 

[coopolon]

Well, I've got to hand it to EA...this is pretty slick. Someone really needs to come up with a universal client--like Trillian for instant messengers--that enables people to stay in contact across the different digital platforms.

I also noticed that Mercenaries 2 ($9.99) makes no mention of the servers being offline and specifically mentions co-op as a feature. Anyone want to conform it works?

Don't buy it. Whatever you do, don't buy it. Seriously. DO NOT BUY IT. It really is that bad.

 

[nyong]

Don't buy it. Whatever you do, don't buy it. Seriously. DO NOT BUY IT. It really is that bad.

Well, I'm not planning to buy anything on the EA Store just yet. I have tried the game on the 360 and liked it enough, though. I always meant to pick it up cheap on the PC and give it a go, but they brought the servers down several months back.

I'm curious whether they brought them back up with the new digital store.

 

[Htown]

So, it turns out that this is definitely just a rename for the EA Download Manager.

I had EADM open before I went to work, came back, and saw a screen telling me there was an update for the program. I ran it, and Origin was installed. When I logged in, I found the exact same window looking at me, except with Origin Beta in the program name field instead of EADM.

 

[SapientWolf]

Don't buy it. Whatever you do, don't buy it. Seriously. DO NOT BUY IT. It really is that bad.

It was a disappointment to many franchise fans but it wasn't that bad. However, EA took the PC co-op servers down.

 

[jaundicejuice]

One of the things I half-expect from this is that EA will simply shut the service down when it turns out that EADM isn't quite making the dent into the DD market that they want as quickly as they want some time down the road. It'll be just as easy as all of those game-specific servers they love to shut down.

 

[Gaogaogao]

yep, this is just rebranded EADM, gotcha.

 

[GJS]

One of the things I half-expect from this is that EA will simply shut the service down when it turns out that EADM isn't quite making the dent into the DD market that they want as quickly as they want some time down the road. It'll be just as easy as all of those game-specific servers they love to shut down.

But they have been running it for 6 years already, surely they would have shut it down already if that was the case.

 

[jaundicejuice]

But they have been running it for 6 years already, surely they would have shut it down already if that was the case.

This is Electronic Arts, I'm never going to be able to give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll simply always expect the worst of them.

 

[Narag]

But they have been running it for 6 years already, surely they would have shut it down already if that was the case.

Not like they haven't shut down Origin before. Where's that handy suicide .gif hk-47 keeps using?

 

[Izayoi]

The whole Star Wars thing is really just ensuring that game tanked 100% on launch. It wasn't going to be good anyway, so nobody is really missing out.

As long as games that actually matter still show up elsewhere I don't really care.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Not like they haven't shut down Origin before. Where's that handy suicide .gif hk-47 keeps using?

 

[HK-47]

Not like they haven't shut down Origin before. Where's that handy suicide .gif hk-47 keeps using?

 

[jaundicejuice]

Jinx!

 

[dLMN8R]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this.

Look, there's little to no chance that EA would ever adopt Steamworks, which would be ideal for most people.


So I look at this as two options - either EA continue to riddle their amazing games with bullshit like Gamespy, or shoddily use things like EA accounts or Bioware accounts that don't connect to much of anything outside of this game.

OR, EA just takes Valve's cue and finally creates a comprehensive system to tie their games together. Finally a consistent friends list to use across multiple games. Finally an easy interface to register and download everything instead of using the crappy EA downloader. Finally a portal to use across multiple EA games with the same account.


This is the latter option, and I drastically prefer it to the scattered/Gamespy/Bioware account option. Maybe it means I need to buy my games from somewhere else if they're exclusive and not available on Steam, but it sure as hell is better than buying it on Steam and still needing to create yet another new EA friends list from scratch.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this.

Look, there's little to no chance that EA would ever adopt Steamworks, which would be ideal for most people.


So I look at this as two options - either EA continue to riddle their amazing games with bullshit like Gamespy, or shoddily use things like EA accounts or Bioware accounts that don't connect to much of anything outside of this game.

OR, EA just takes Valve's cue and finally creates a comprehensive system to tie their games together. Finally a consistent friends list to use across multiple games. Finally an easy interface to register and download everything instead of using the crappy EA downloader. Finally a portal to use across multiple EA games with the same account.


This is the latter option, and I drastically prefer it to the scattered/Gamespy/Bioware account option. Maybe it means I need to buy my games from somewhere else if they're exclusive and not available on Steam, but it sure as hell is better than buying it on Steam and still needing to create yet another new EA friends list from scratch.

People couldn't care less if EA creates a system like Steam. Its the fact that EA treats Steam different than it does D2D, Gamersgate, and Impulse that people take issue with. If EA continues to release their games on Steam but gives special pricing and DLC to their own store, fine with me. If they cease releasing their games on Steam that is when I will take issue.

 

[mattiewheels]

EADM was already slick as hell before the update, the ingame overlay is much appreciated. I can only hope this means they're really gonna focus on competitive prices and sales.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

One thing I will say is that I favor EA's game list box art much more than Valve's. Much more slick.

 

[BobJustBob]

Well, I'm not planning to buy anything on the EA Store just yet. I have tried the game on the 360 and liked it enough, though. I always meant to pick it up cheap on the PC and give it a go, but they brought the servers down several months back.

I'm curious whether they brought them back up with the new digital store.

He's right though. Don't buy it. I enjoyed Mercs 2 on the PS3 but the PC version was a legendarily bad port, I believe ported from the PS2 version.

 

[coopolon]

He's right though. Don't buy it. I enjoyed Mercs 2 on the PS3 but the PC version was a legendarily bad port, I believe ported from the PS2 version.

Yah, I bought it on the PC thinking it couldn't be that bad. Very first level, none of the enemies responded to my presence at all. I would walk up, shoot them in the face, and the guy next to him would just stand there waiting his turn. Maybe an interesting comment on the nature of video games, but not a very fun experience.

 

[Tellaerin]

Fine if they have deals on their own service like they currently do. Not fine if their games start requiring this to be installed to run or some other shady shit that I totally expect them to do.

Do you have a problem with Valve requiring you to install Steam to play their games, too? Serious question.

I ask because some Steam fans seem to think that Valve can do no wrong, and are willing to give them a pass on virtually anything. They also seem to feel that no one else has any business attempting to compete with Valve in the DD space.

To make my personal position clear, I'm not a big supporter of the 'DD future' in general. I made a conscious decision not to buy any of Valve's games on PC from Half-Life 2 onward because they require you to install Steam to play. If this EA Origin service requires something similar, I'll be skipping it, too. That said, I feel that if pushing a proprietary client is OK for Valve, then it should be fair game for anyone else who wants to do it. Valve isn't entitled to some kind of special exemption.

 

[charlequin]

That said, I feel that if pushing a proprietary client is OK for Valve, then it should be fair game for anyone else who wants to do it.

That's nonsensical, though. Valve is not the same as Blizzard is not the same as EA is not the same as CD Projekt. My expectations for each company are tailored to their areas of demonstrated expertise, their past behavior, the nature and depth of their catalog, the market situation that obtains before their service launches, and so on. I give Valve a pass because their excellent track record suggests that they will continue to serve my needs in the future and their privately-held status gives me reason to believe they won't suddenly abandon that track record after a management shift or momentary panic by shareholders.

In an ideal world, yes, it would be possible to get Valve's games sans Steam encumbrance. I'd very much prefer that! But I find Steam's whole value proposition more than sufficient to justify some small irritations on my part, of which Valve's games being unavailable elsewhere is one. EA certainly has nothing to offer me that could match.

 

[mattiewheels]

Hey, I just got a cd copy of The Saboteur, has anyone used their key okay with the downloader?

 

[mattiewheels]

Saboteur doesn't register at all...even though the game even comes with EADM. Makes no sense.

 

[Draft]

People couldn't care less if EA creates a system like Steam. Its the fact that EA treats Steam different than it does D2D, Gamersgate, and Impulse that people take issue with. If EA continues to release their games on Steam but gives special pricing and DLC to their own store, fine with me. If they cease releasing their games on Steam that is when I will take issue.

They're going to do exactly that. What else is the point of starting up their own online store? Valve does it. Valve does it with games they don't even make.

 

[speculawyer]

Saboteur doesn't register at all...even though the game even comes with EADM. Makes no sense.

Well . . . you have the disk so why should they have to pay for servers & bandwidth!



No, I agree. It is brain-dead for the service not to accept your key.

 

[HK-47]

That's nonsensical, though. Valve is not the same as Blizzard is not the same as EA is not the same as CD Projekt. My expectations for each company are tailored to their areas of demonstrated expertise, their past behavior, the nature and depth of their catalog, the market situation that obtains before their service launches, and so on. I give Valve a pass because their excellent track record suggests that they will continue to serve my needs in the future and their privately-held status gives me reason to believe they won't suddenly abandon that track record after a management shift or momentary panic by shareholders.

In an ideal world, yes, it would be possible to get Valve's games sans Steam encumbrance. I'd very much prefer that! But I find Steam's whole value proposition more than sufficient to justify some small irritations on my part, of which Valve's games being unavailable elsewhere is one. EA certainly has nothing to offer me that could match.

Surely you arent suggesting that EA is less consumer friendly than Valve? Thats just lunacy.

 

[mattiewheels]

Well . . . you have the disk so why should they have to pay for servers & bandwidth!



No, I agree. It is brain-dead for the service not to accept your key.

The funny part is, I bought it for cheap thinking I could try out adding games to Origin for good....well nevermind then.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

They're going to do exactly that. What else is the point of starting up their own online store? Valve does it. Valve does it with games they don't even make.

Valve doesn't do it with the games they don't make, the publishers do. Valve offers Steamworks to the publishers and the publishers choose to use it. Again, as others have stated, the difference with Valve making games exclusive to their service is they have shown a willingness and determination to continue improving their service over the last 8+ years.

I'm going to quote Char because it represents what I feel as well:

That's nonsensical, though. Valve is not the same as Blizzard is not the same as EA is not the same as CD Projekt. My expectations for each company are tailored to their areas of demonstrated expertise, their past behavior, the nature and depth of their catalog, the market situation that obtains before their service launches, and so on. I give Valve a pass because their excellent track record suggests that they will continue to serve my needs in the future and their privately-held status gives me reason to believe they won't suddenly abandon that track record after a management shift or momentary panic by shareholders.

In an ideal world, yes, it would be possible to get Valve's games sans Steam encumbrance. I'd very much prefer that! But I find Steam's whole value proposition more than sufficient to justify some small irritations on my part, of which Valve's games being unavailable elsewhere is one. EA certainly has nothing to offer me that could match.

 

[MesserWolf]

And so it begins, each publisher with their own platform that goes nowhere and does nothing other that make it super annoying to play my games.

Yup . It's DRM 2.0

 

[JacksUsername]

Unless there are some enticing deals, I'm going to stay as far away from this as possible. EA's account management has been a nightmare in the past.

When I had purchased Mass Effect 2 I got locked out of my EA account for entering the password incorrectly too many times. To avoid having to contact customer service, I just created a new e-mail and used that one to access Cerberus network features. Fast forward half a year - couldn't find any soccer games on Steam (besides management games) so I went and purchased FIFA from EA's store. I mixed up accounts and bought it under the locked account. Their website allowed me to log in, shop, and purchase the game under that account, but if I tried to log in to EA download manager, I would just get a message saying I need to contact customer support. I know part of that was my fault, but the fact that they allowed the purchase makes no sense. Add on top of that the reports of the bans in their forums - no thank you. Especially considering the number of games I've purchased through Steam, I can already imagine what's going to happen when people get locked out of all of their game purchases for something ridiculous.

 

[Draft]

Valve doesn't do it with the games they don't make, the publishers do. Valve offers Steamworks to the publishers and the publishers choose to use it. Again, as others have stated, the difference with Valve making games exclusive to their service is they have shown a willingness and determination to continue improving their service over the last 8+ years.

I'm going to quote Char because it represents what I feel as well:

Well, I guess you had better pray to your god that EA decides they're serious about being a Steam competitor. Seems very unlikely that EA is going to the trouble of developing a Steam competitor and then going to release something like BF3 with Steamworks.

IMO, it's a good thing. Steam is great but it shouldn't be the only viable DD service. A little competition couldn't hurt the market.

 

[MesserWolf]

I'm cautiously optimistic about this.

Look, there's little to no chance that EA would ever adopt Steamworks, which would be ideal for most people.


So I look at this as two options - either EA continue to riddle their amazing games with bullshit like Gamespy, or shoddily use things like EA accounts or Bioware accounts that don't connect to much of anything outside of this game.

OR, EA just takes Valve's cue and finally creates a comprehensive system to tie their games together. Finally a consistent friends list to use across multiple games. Finally an easy interface to register and download everything instead of using the crappy EA downloader. Finally a portal to use across multiple EA games with the same account.


This is the latter option, and I drastically prefer it to the scattered/Gamespy/Bioware account option. Maybe it means I need to buy my games from somewhere else if they're exclusive and not available on Steam, but it sure as hell is better than buying it on Steam and still needing to create yet another new EA friends list from scratch.

but do people need or even want another comprehensive system ? I for one don't . And would it really be comprehensive when you have to keep different services for different games ?

Steam gave new life to pc gaming, let's see if they actually manage to destroy that by annoying players and splitting the audience in xx services .

While competition is usually good I do feel that there should be only a very limited number of platforms for the sake of simplicity, easy of use and for keeping the multiplayer gamers all together.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

Well, I guess you had better pray to your god that EA decides they're serious about being a Steam competitor. Seems very unlikely that EA is going to the trouble of developing a Steam competitor and then going to release something like BF3 with Steamworks.

IMO, it's a good thing. Steam is great but it shouldn't be the only viable DD service. A little competition couldn't hurt the market.

I am not asking BF3 or any EA game be Steamworks compatible. I am asking that they release their games on Steam, even if its a week later. EA mark my words won't be making games like BF3 and ME3 exclusive to Origin. They may offer exclusive bonuses or DLC but the games themselves will be released on other services including Steam.

When Valve created Steam and made their games exclusive to the service, there was no reason not to. At the time there was no other DD service that had 70% of the market and such a huge faithful following. Now with Origin, there is such a service which has such a following. EA understands this. They realize that while many will buy the game even if its not on Steam, others like myself will simply out-wait EA. I did it with Spore. I did it with DS1, Mirrors Edge, Need for Speed HP, and will do it with others, including BF3.

 

[Draft]

I'm totally with dlmn8r.

What are the negatives? You need to keep a second thin client on your PC? What a hassle, another 100mb of your 4 terabytes of storage wasted. A second friends list? This one kind of sucks, but anyone who ever had to juggle AIM, ICQ and MSN learned to live with it. And maybe we get a Pidgin for game services. A second game library to manage? It's a non-issue. You don't even have to walk across the room. It's a matter of double clicking one icon instead of the other.

I'd prefer to focus on the positives. More DD options mean better DD deals. It's unlikely that EA is going to out innovate Valve on the service side, but you never know. And the big one for me is that maybe EA takes a serious fucking stab at PC gaming. No more half assed ports. Treat the PC as a full fledged platform, not just an Xbox offshoot.

In any case, this is going to happen more and more. A resurgence in PC game sales means a resurgence in interested parties looking to sell PC games. Steam doesn't stay on top of the heap by virtue of being the biggest and best in the past. They will need to retain that position and that means a win for consumers.

 

[GJS]

Unless there are some enticing deals, I'm going to stay as far away from this as possible. EA's account management has been a nightmare in the past.

When I had purchased Mass Effect 2 I got locked out of my EA account for entering the password incorrectly too many times. To avoid having to contact customer service, I just created a new e-mail and used that one to access Cerberus network features. Fast forward half a year - couldn't find any soccer games on Steam (besides management games) so I went and purchased FIFA from EA's store. I mixed up accounts and bought it under the locked account. Their website allowed me to log in, shop, and purchase the game under that account, but if I tried to log in to EA download manager, I would just get a message saying I need to contact customer support. I know part of that was my fault, but the fact that they allowed the purchase makes no sense. Add on top of that the reports of the bans in their forums - no thank you. Especially considering the number of games I've purchased through Steam, I can already imagine what's going to happen when people get locked out of all of their game purchases for something ridiculous.

EA have a live support chat, why didn't you just get it sorted out.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'm totally with dlmn8r.

What are the negatives? You need to keep a second thin client on your PC? What a hassle, another 100mb of your 4 terabytes of storage wasted. A second friends list? This one kind of sucks, but anyone who ever had to juggle AIM, ICQ and MSN learned to live with it. And maybe we get a Pidgin for game services. A second game library to manage? It's a non-issue. You don't even have to walk across the room. It's a matter of double clicking one icon instead of the other.

I'd prefer to focus on the positives. More DD options mean better DD deals. It's unlikely that EA is going to out innovate Valve on the service side, but you never know. And the big one for me is that maybe EA takes a serious fucking stab at PC gaming. No more half assed ports. Treat the PC as a full fledged platform, not just an Xbox offshoot.

In any case, this is going to happen more and more. A resurgence in PC game sales means a resurgence in interested parties looking to sell PC games. Steam doesn't stay on top of the heap by virtue of being the biggest and best in the past. They will need to retain that position and that means a win for consumers.

As others have said, what can EA bring to the table to push Valve, besides improved customer service? At this point? Absolutely nothing. Again, people need to stop misrepresenting the point that folks like myself and others are making. I am ALL for competition. I say let EA bring competition to the table but also release their games on other DD services like D2D, Gamersgate, Impulse, and Steam. Want to push competition? Lower your prices from $60-50. Want to push competition? Enable customers to choose what currency they want to buy with. Want to push competition? Increase your customer support to that of Blizzard. Want to push competition? Make your store region free. These are ways that EA can push competition. Keeping their games exclusive to Origin ISN'T going to do anything in pushing competition.

 

[chuckddd]

Great. First MW3 wants me to shell out $8/month. Now BF3 wants me to install some proprietary bloatware. Valve, get CS2 ready and out the door. Please. Pretty please.

 

[Snuggles]

Keeping their games exclusive to Origin ISN'T going to do anything in pushing competition.

Basically how I feel. That's not the kind of competition we benefit from, and the last thing we need is for other major pub's to get on board with the same idea.

Ideally, EA would release their games on all DD services, but give us an extra incentive to use Origin like $5 off the standard price at launch or free DLC. Give me a reason to willingly use your service, don't force me to do it because it's my only option.

 

[coopolon]

Saboteur doesn't register at all...even though the game even comes with EADM. Makes no sense.

Might want to try it on here. https://activate.ea.com/gameactivation.do

Found that in the EA forums. Seems like you can register some older games with EADM using that. Using that site I got Mass Effect that I bought off of Steam to show up on EADM, but I have not gotten Crysis or Crysis Warhead that I bought retail to work (even though it accepted the Crysis Warhead code, it's not showing up in my EADM).

 

[GJS]

Great. First MW3 wants me to shell out $8/month. Now BF3 wants me to install some proprietary bloatware. Valve, get CS2 ready and out the door. Please. Pretty please.

There's still nothing to say that BF3 will be exclusive to the store and even then there are still no linked features in EADM/Origin that requires the program to be run for you to play the game, it is purely used as a download manager, you don't even have to use the install button in the program to install after the download finishes.

I've had no problems with the EA store in the past, in fact I've even gotten free games from it. So there was no chance I was going to pass up the opportunity to pick up BF3 for £17.99 back in April, renaming the store to Origin and introducing exclusivity for TOR certainly isn't going to make me ask for a refund.

 

[Littlegator]

I chortled.

Oh [company], why do you think you could ever compete with Steam?