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[Tain]

Forward me your porn browsing habits. Shouldn't bother you, right?

You gotta make a pretty great game and you need to be pretty much guaranteed to get hundreds of thousands of others to submit the same info. Then I'd probably reluctantly hand it over!

 

[Calavera520]

and battlefield 3 is only available through origin correct?

 

[Lostconfused]

Forward me your porn browsing habits. Shouldn't bother you, right?

Actually if EA would suply me with quality porn. I wouldn't be against this.

 

[Salsa]

Steam must be installed to play a Steamworks game. That was the takeaway. It's DRM and requires you to install and run a program to play the game. In the case of region locking, it can restrict you from playing the game.

No disagreement yet, that's why i stated in my post as THE steam complain that has solid grounds, sure.

I personally dont have an issue with mandatory stuff like that when i have 0 issues with the service involved, and its actually a big improvement.

I thought you were saying steam was bad cause you said the key word is EA being "worse", so i took that as saying steam aint good.

If it wasnt for Steam there would be other way worse methods of resctricting you to play a game due to its region locking, believe me. There would be a "Uplay" for every publisher out there, and it would be way worse.

Games dont get released the minute they're done, the fact that Deus Ex broke the street date in Europe might be just because they know the release date will be respected because its a steamworks game, so in the ends its a non-issue, would be the same without Steam in this regard. Its a decision made by Square Enix.

 

[Zimbardo]

pheww ...its a good thing i don't care.

i have nothing to hide. have at er, EA!

 

[-PXG-]

Anyone have the link to that video of some guy flipping the fuck out over the Bulletstorm online pass?

 

[JWong]

EA is checking my browsing history on my Xbox?

Not really, and it's different because it's PC, but you do accept a EULA and Terms of Service that allows EA to track user data for 360 PS3.

 

[Snuggles]

Ugh, why won't they just be reasonable and put their product on Steam like every other publisher. EA is acting about as cool Activision right now.

Actually, Activision is pretty cool right now. COD8 is a Steamworks game, complete with dedicated servers on PC. They don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of EA.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Well, Origin is dead in the water for me. Thing is, this kind of thing is only going to get worse in the future. This is because game consumers will generally accept any shit thrown at them. The Great Age of Gaming is coming to an end (or maybe it already has)?

This has, literally, no effect on the quality of modern games. Just a publisher being shady as fuck.

 

[Salsa]

Activision is looking a hell of a lot better, and EA looking like complete shit might be helping that.

 

[tnud]

and battlefield 3 is only available through origin correct?

and torrent.

EA is way too attached to origin already, feels like they are going to stick to it until the end..
:sadface: Going to miss playing EA titles...

 

[gravitybear]

and torrent.

EA is way too attached to origin already, feels like they are going to stick to it until the end..
:sadface: Going to miss playing EA titles...

fuck i didnt even consider the mass effect 3 situation. I can pass on BF 3 no problem, but the mass effect series is one of my favorite and I have to get 3. I really hope the pressure is put on EA to fix this shit before then.

 

[obonicus]

I might be wrong, but the EA EULA says:

You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION. This and all other data provided to EA and/or collected by EA in connection with your installation and use of this Application is collected, used, stored and transmitted in accordance with EA’s Privacy Policy located at www.ea.com. To the extent that anything in this section conflicts with the terms of EA’s Privacy Policy, the terms of the Privacy Policy shall control.

Emphasis mine.

EA's privacy policy says:

B. Will EA Share My Information With Third Parties?

EA will never share your personal information with third parties without your consent. We may, however, share anonymous, non-personal, aggregated and/or public information with third parties. There may be circumstances where you may share information on your own. Please see section XI for more details about your rights to information you share publicly on EA and other third party sites and forums. You may also opt in to allow EA to share your personal information with companies and organizations that provide products or services that we believe may be of interest to you. To opt out of further communications from a marketing partner or sponsor with whom your information has been shared, please contact that partner or sponsor directly.

EA does not disclose any personal information about children under 18 years of age who have registered on any of our websites to third parties, or share or disclose personal information other than as set forth in this policy, provided however, that in the event of a merger, acquisition, or the unlikely event of bankruptcy, management of EA customer information may be transferred to its successor or assign regardless of age.

From time to time, EA employs third party contractors to collect personal information on our behalf to provide email delivery, product, prize or promotional fulfillment, contest administration, credit card processing, shipping or other services on our sites. When requesting these services, you may be asked to supply your name, mailing address, telephone number and email address to our contractors. We ask some third party contractors, such as credit agencies, data analytics or market research firms, to supplement personal information that you provide to us for our own marketing and demographic studies, so that we can consistently improve our sites and related advertising to better meet our visitors' needs and preferences. To enrich our understanding of individual customers, we tie this information to the personal information you provide to us.

When our third party agents or service providers collect and/or have access any information other than non-personal, anonymous and/or aggregated data, EA requires that they use data consistently with our stated privacy policies and protect the confidentiality of personal information they collect or have access to in the course of their engagement by EA. These third parties are prohibited from using your personal information for any other purpose without your specific consent.

You will be notified before your personal information is collected by any third party that is not our agent/service provider, so you can make an informed choice as to whether or not to share your information with that party.

We may also access and disclose personal information, including personal communications, in connection with report abuse functions in our products and services, to enforce legal rights and comply with the law, or to comply with an order from a government entity or other competent authority, or when we have reason to believe that a disclosure is necessary to address potential or actual injury or interference with our rights, property, operations, users or others who may be harmed or may suffer loss or damage, or when we believe that disclosure is necessary to protect our rights, combat fraud and/or comply with a judicial proceeding, court order, or legal process served on EA. Note that certain publically available information you post and communicate on our and third party sites and services is public information for which you have no expectation of privacy. See Section XI for more details.

So if the bolded part of the Origin EULA holds, then despite what they say, EA doesn't share the information with third parties. A bit odd for them to put such an alarming item in there, if that's the case, and a bit circumspect.

Edit: They do continue to collect personally identifiable information, but then so does Steam. Steam very explicitly doesn't share that out (but it does share 'aggregate' and 'individual' information, whatever that is), but it seems very similar to EA's ' anonymous, non-personal, aggregated and/or public information'.

 

[Anton Sugar]

and torrent.

EA is way too attached to origin already, feels like they are going to stick to it until the end..
:sadface: Going to miss playing EA titles...

Great.

Activision is looking a hell of a lot better, and EA looking like complete shit might be helping that.

It's cyclical, I'm convinced.

 

[Menelaus]

So even if BF3 comes to Steam post-release, it won't really matter, will it...

 

[dragonelite]

Tell Ea something 99% of them already knows we are watching porn.

 

[Emitan]

Well there goes any chance of me buying TOR or BF3....

TOR doesn't use Origin.

 

[Winterblink]

So if the bolded part of the Origin EULA holds, then despite what they say, EA doesn't share the information with third parties. A bit odd for them to put such an alarming item in there, if that's the case, and a bit circumspect.

That's not true, it does state it shares with its own third party "agents and service providers", but if they were to give it out to external third party partners they won't do so without consent. Of course this assumes their third party partners comply with EA's policies in good faith and don't inappropriately use the data, but that's a whole other thing

Doesn't seem like a conflict to me, but these fucking agreements are so nebulous anyway you could go either way

 

[Salsa]

So even if BF3 comes to Steam post-release, it won't really matter, will it...

Given EA's previous statements on how they wont release the game on Steam because they cant "directly comunicate with the costumer" (??) now makes it sound like part of the reason they wont is because Steam doesnt allow for this crap.

 

[Nostalgia~4ever]

Actually, Activision is pretty cool right now. COD8 is a Steamworks game, complete with dedicated servers on PC. They don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of EA.

EA atleast isnt funding a port. Theyre providing dice the money to create the most technical advanded pc game so far.

 

[Error Macro]

I wonder how mad you guys will get when u realize what google does with your information every time you search anything......

http://www.scroogle.org
http://www.startingpage.com

Those are pretty neat.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Not to be smug (read: get ready for some smug self-satisfaction) but it's been funny watching the tide turning.

Anyone arguing in favour of Origin is starting to look pretty silly at this point. Regardless of any opinions about whether it's a good idea for Valve to have such a strong position in the marketplace, which was the only legitimate argument for EA's behaviour, the fact that they want you to install and run their client, only allow 3 activations, reserve the right to delete your account after 2 years of inactivity and now apparently want permission to back orifice your PC puts them in a pretty indefensible position.

EA atleast isnt funding a port. Theyre providing dice the money to create the most technical advanded pc game so far.

Dice can go eat a dick, to be completely honest. The PC gaming community made them what they are today so the fact that they're allowing BF3 to be used as a wedge to drive people to Origin is pretty despicable.

 

[Salsa]

EA atleast isnt funding a port. Theyre providing dice the money to create the most technical advanded pc game so far.

oh my god just go away!

you dont respond to posts that prove you downright wrong, instead trying to white knight for EA through another angle and now you go as far as to think EA is giving DICE money out of the best interest of making the "most technical advance pc game so far" and that they actually give a shit about something other than money, jesus fucking christ dude, open your eyes.

 

[MMaRsu]

Fuck EA, Im so glad Ill be buying BF3 on consoles

Am i? Borderline illegal

Nostalgia~4ever is obviously very very wrong and I would call him some names if I didn't think it would get me banned. How can you be SO wrong about almost everything you posted itt? Terrible posting, I thought he was joking at first.

 

[echoshifting]

It's kinda surreal how EA and Activision are on this teeter totter of gamer hate. "Activision is pretty cool right now," not words I expected to read on gaf for a decade or so.

 

[Vanillalite]

TOR doesn't use Origin.

I know, but I'm not gonna buy an EA game when EA tries to pull this. Those were the 2 EA games I was looking forward too. Same deal with people saying buy the console version. I'm not gonna get pissed at EA over this, and then still give them my sale just on another system.

 

[Salsa]

"Activision is pretty cool right now," not words I expected to read on gaf for a decade or so.

that just puts thing into perspective

 

[Snuggles]

Theyre providing dice the money to create the most technical advanded pc game so far.

Which is sadly being used as a trojan horse for a service that no one really wants.

 

[Salsa]

Which is sadly being used as a trojan horse for a service that no one really wants.

dude but they're totally allowed cause they are providing money to those poor DICE guys, and they're doing it purely from the purity of their hearts.

 

[DTKT]

EA atleast isnt funding a port. Theyre providing dice the money to create the most technical advanded pc game so far.

What do you mean? The most "technical" pc game? What exactly is DICE doing to deserve that award?

And really what does DICE have to do with this discussion. This is up to EA.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

Dice can go eat a dick, to be completely honest. The PC gaming community made them what they are today so the fact that they're allowing BF3 to be used as a wedge to drive people to Origin is pretty despicable.

Can DICE really tell EA to go fuck themselves with Origin though? They are owned by EA. I imagine if Ricitello demands it, DICE has to deliver it right?

 

[Nostalgia~4ever]

Dice can go eat a dick, to be completely honest. The PC gaming community made them what they are today so the fact that they're allowing BF3 to be used as a wedge to drive people to Origin is pretty despicable.

Theyre dicks for actaully making a pc game as the lead platform? How many high profile devs does that today?

 

[Salsa]

Can DICE really tell EA to go fuck themselves with Origin though? They are owned by EA. I imagine if Ricitello demands it, DICE has to deliver it right?

they said on twitter they're mad about the whole DD situation and that they would like to sell the game on Steam actually, but yeah.

 

[shintoki]

TOR doesn't use Origin.

At least for what they are saying now. I still expect that to change.

I'm taking it, this is the communication they have been talking about.

 

[Big-E]

I cant wait for everything to fail so that we can get the one and only Steam future. The competition to Steam just plains sucks outside of GOG and GOG isnt really in the same business as Valve. Origin has been a great big cock smack to PC gamers the moment it was introduced and it continually finds ways to cock smack us. Fuck you EA, Red Orchestra and Steam for me and BF3 can go to hell.

 

[Stallion Free]

Hold up.

EA is gonna know that I look at Tali porn in between Mass Effect 3 sessions now?

 

[Mrbob]

Hold on a second....Origin has a 3 activation limit? This is bigger news for me than Spyware. Especially since I bought BF3 off of Origin.

 

[Emitan]

At least for what they are saying now. I still expect that to change.

I'm taking it, this is the communication they have been talking about.

TOR is an MMO. Completely different from an FPS game.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Dice can go eat a dick, to be completely honest. The PC gaming community made them what they are today so the fact that they're allowing BF3 to be used as a wedge to drive people to Origin is pretty despicable.

Yeah, you're right, this is completely in their hands.

The Origin client is the problem, not the games that are launched through it.

 

[Complex Shadow]

Hold up.

EA is gonna know that I look at Tali porn in between Mass Effect 3 sessions now?

wait. what?. no wait.....can ea look at my hidden files y/n?

 

[Reagan's BR]

I didn't mean to start a bit of a COD/BF war or a publisher war. Just the observation that both companies make quick cash grab decisions that I believe hurt them in the long run. ie Activision over saturating the market with Guitar Hero and EA trying to force their digital distribution software on people.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Theyre dicks for actaully making a pc game as the lead platform? How many high profile games does that today?

You're really not very good at this are you.

Yeah, you're right, this is completely in their hands.

The Origin client is the problem, not the games that are launched through it.

BF3 is part of EA's long term strategy to fuck Activision. I strongly believe that if DICE had the cojones they could push back on this.

 

[Error Macro]

reserve the right to delete your account after 2 years of inactivity

Steam actually deleted my account due to inactivity, apparently. It was probably about two years as well. Someone else is using ErrorMacro now :\

 

[tiff]

This might be the final nail in the coffin for Battlefield 3 as far as I'm concerned.

The Great Age of Gaming is coming to an end (or maybe it already has)?

Try over 6 years ago.

 

[Salsa]

Yeah, you're right, this is completely in their hands.

While i agree that there's not much they can do about it, the main DICE devs should get the fuck away from there asap if they care about anything. They're being held back from the opportunity to sell their game on the biggest digital download service there is.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Yup.

And yesterday was so awesome

 

[Osietra]

Having to choose between EA and Activision is like being given the choice 'twixt having your penis stamped on by a plump bean-counter with aspergers and having your penis stamped on by a plump bean-counter with aspergers.

 

[JWong]

Fuck EA, Im so glad Ill be buying BF3 on consoles

You're going to be agreeing to the same ToS and EULA.

 

[Nostalgia~4ever]

You're really not very good at this are you.

Answer the question instead? What theyre developing for PC is driving new hardware.

 

[Old Gimlet Eyes]

You're going to be agreeing to the same ToS and EULA.

So origin is going to download itself onto my console with all its spyware glory? I should probably stop using my 360 web browser if that is the case. Sure it might be the same ToS and EULA, but not the same spyware.