Positional tracking needs to be produced by something.
The real world hasn't tried it.
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EDGE: Sonys VR tech will be revealed at GDC
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akachan ningen
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All Sony has to do to win this generation is get on stage, announce the VR headset, and then show this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7a6uMRdHs
Impeccable
Member
It's just the difference between a gimmick aimed at casuals and a gimmicks aimed at the hardcore.
Alx
Member
It only happens to be a "gimmick" that is more in line with many gaf posters tastes, so the reception is great here, even if it is not realistic to believe it will replace our TVs for gaming.
socomfanaticest2001
Neo Member
really depends how much support it gets, with VR your not flapping your arms around!! your actually going to have deeper expierence!!!
imagine playing game like grand turismo and have the luxury of looking around inside the car with depth, would add whole new expierence!!!
EXPIERENCE I TELL YOU!!!!
Trying VR games has been a lot more impressive to me than all of those things you mentioned. It's a really powerful experience even though I suffer a bit of motion sickness from it.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Nor will they want to.
Most people I know have 3D tvs and still aren't interested in 3D gaming.
No, it's :
Kinect ? We're trying to force you to play by another way.
Gamepad? We're trying to force you to play by another way.
Move? We're trying to force you to play by another way.
VR ? We just showing you that a 3D world can be more immersive without changing nothing about the way to play.
VR is not a game changer, it's a new and a cool way to see the game. That's why it's hyped.
I have a 3D TV and I'm not interested in 3D gaming.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
This makes sense at least.
It's only ever going to be interesting to a very small niche.
Touché lol. But im guessing you at least tried it?
socomfanaticest2001
Neo Member
anyone else have a feeling thaT DRIVE CLUB could be pushed back further and could be the launch for this semi confirmed VR thing sony is talking about?
Iep. Those are just some extra peripherals, for another type of gameplay.
VR is not about changing gameplay, is about getting you inside the game, is about to make you believe you are in another world. Its really a big difference.
Reckless Onion
Member
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question but i don't know a lot about VR.
But, does this mean we'll get more 60fps games on ps4?
But, does this mean we'll get more 60fps games on ps4?
I still don't get how a graphically demanding 30 fps game could suddenly become a 3D 60 fps game..
QuicheFontaine
Member
Heh, I never thought of it this way. But you're absolutely right.
Selfish though it may be, I really don't care if it ever breaks the mainstream (and certainly have no illusions about it "replacing TV" - not gonna happen), just so long as I can have one. I only need it to attract the mainstream enough to turn a profit, and consequently merit developer's time making sweet games for it.
60fps is mandatory for VR so yeah any PS4 VR game would need to run at rock solid 60fps
Nightengale
Member
Compromise.
Scale down everything, pretend all the previously promised visual excellence never mattered, and treat it as a reboot of DC, except laser-focused to deliver the VR experience instead of a 30fps visual driving eye-candy.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Putting VR in the same post as Kinect ,Move and the gamepad...
Come on, this is what gamers have been dreaming of since the early 90's.
What gamers? The ones that bought the vitual boy? Yeah...
Im sorry, but you really are overestimating the demand for that level of escapism.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
I made a lot of peoples around me, including family, try the oculus rift and a demo like VR cinema already convinced them to buy one ASAP.
A portable IMAX HD screen anywhere you go to watch movies for ~300$. Hard to beat that deal. (i know the VR cinema demo is not imax size but im pretty sure any kind of official software will allow dimensioning).
Alx
Member
To be fair, motion controls also help a lot making you believe you are part of the world. Only it's focused on body perception, while VR headsets are focused on visual perception.
The ultimate immersive experience would use both VR display and gesture tracking (professional VR solutions usually include an IR tracked controller, similar to Move in concept)
Reckless Onion
Member
I have, yeah, and I've tried the 3DS in 3D too.
The truth is VR offers something in gaming that nothing else has even approached before, and it will be an interesting novelty for random people to check it out, but someone who isn't interested in gaming isn't going to try it at someone's house and instantly jump on Amazon and order a $750 bundle or whatever.
I think it's going to be a big deal, as far as the core audience goes, and there will be some tech fans that buy it just for novelty, but in the next ten years, I think that's about as far as it'll get.
I think the fundamental difference between VR and motion controls or 3D is for me those things effectively pull me out of a game, they make me more conscious of my interaction with a game, which actually hampers immersion. VR is the complete opposite, the isolation and motion tracking provide an incredible sense of being within a game, and at that point anything else to enrich that simulation is for the better. Even in it's most awful primitive state with the DK1, it is really stunning.
Virtual Boy was a handheld you couldn't use outside the house. Of course no one bought it. That is really not a good comparison.
VR was a huge thing in the early 90's and everyone was working on it thats why Nintendo tried to piggyback on that.
Coulomb_Barrier
Member
If Media Molecule don't turn out to be working on this VR tech, I'd be quite disappointed.
Similarly, if there is no connection to DriveClub's huge delay with VR, I'd be slightly less disappointed.
But MM, surely they have been busy on something, and we'll see it soon?
Similarly, if there is no connection to DriveClub's huge delay with VR, I'd be slightly less disappointed.
But MM, surely they have been busy on something, and we'll see it soon?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Hm yeah not sure how this will work out.. Cause Drive Club visual impact is from the light for me, more than crazy assets. Some old footage were already not that impressive. If they downgrade it..
But in an other way i've been thinking PS3 graphics would be perfectly fine for VR, when you see people being in Ecstasy in front of blurry low poly graphics with the Oculus. But they have to be ports or original games to me. Taking a PS4 game and downgrading it seems a little sad.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
It was a huge thing that everyone tried to create something that was a break out hit and they all failed. Likewise with 3D.
Both technologies have the exact same problem they had 25 years ago. People in general do not want to strap these things to their faces.
Just like how the tech community was hyping 3D couple years back is exactly how VR is being hyped. And just like 3D, 3 years from now, nobody will be talking about it again. Doesnt matter how good the technology gets, it just doesnt solve the psychological problem of these devices.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
This is nothing new and has been available for years.
Are you in a cinema with that or its just showing a movie? Can you move your head around a 3D space?
I'm not sure about game changer as game 'maker' - allowing people to make a new level/type of interactive entertainment. Maybe some types of game will actually get fully absorbed into VR - and 'changed' because of VR - but certainly not all.
As for the hype - the concept and dream of virtual reality is one that has been in peoples' consciousness for a long, long time. The idea of 'holodecks' and 'jacking into the matrix' and all of that - it's been an assumed end goal for at least one thread of gaming/interactive entertainment for a long time. The idea has fuelled fiction and stories, there is definitely a very strong appeal to the imagination.
We're now at a point where it seems one key step toward this end goal can be taken - immersive visual feedback. Was tried before, didn't really work, but there now seems to be new confidence it can be done properly.
I think this is why there's excitement. If we can take this step it would be the first big step toward that endgoal in interactive entertainment since 3D games themselves came on the scene.
It's not going to replace 'other screen' gaming (TV/mobile), but it's an addition that is key to realising one of the bigger dreams in computer/interactive entertainment and man-machine interaction.
Do you also think skiing and scuba diving will never take off?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Not with that device, but the technology isnt new. There have been working soultions for people interested in that sort of thing for years.
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Putting VR in the same post as Kinect ,Move and the gamepad...
Come on, this is what gamers have been dreaming of since the early 90's.
And motion controls aren't?
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
Totally different and silly to equate the two.
You're just missing a little thing there. All those techs failled cause they sucked, and didn't really offer something impressive to begin with. When The Oculus is probably the first thing since people watching the Ciotat train in 1895, able to actually make them doubt their reality sense. It's friggin' huge and will change everything at some point.
How so? It's an entertainment experience that requires notable headgear.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
In nearly everyone of those Sci-fi scenarios, in practical terms, even if the technology was there it wouldn't be anyway viable. Somethings are better left in the realm of fantasy.
There will never be a "shakespere on the holodeck" moment. not in this lifetime or the next.
It will definitely introduce new opportunities for how we interact with virtual space.
Games at the moment typically built around a model of interaction that assumes a pretty limited number of degrees of movement, for example. HMDs with player motion capture will let us explore degrees of movement freedom that were/are impossible to map to a gamepad on a TV.
We're already seeing some interaction systems that some might consider 'gimmicky'. For example, some might think of the 'move head to look at target' firing system in EvE Valykrie to be 'gimmicky' - but it apparently works very well and is very satisfying. It's true, though, that this low level interaction model is only one part of what VR is bringing to the table in that experience...there is an immersion quality that is separate from how the input systems work that is a big part of VR.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
An experience that cannot be had any other way without it and is tied to one of the most basic human needs :- to breathe.
Skuba equipment is used out of necessity. You figure out a way to skuba dive without headgear and you will be a very rich man.
Skiing is a bit different, but still cant be compared to a VR experience.
VR is an experience that can't be had without a VR headset.
Daffy Duck
Member
Interested to see what the conference brings.
We may never get a holodeck, certainly not any time soon. But I think key goals that one might imagine along the path to that ideal carry, for a lot of people, a sort of obvious appeal. I think visual and aural immersion is a Big Thing, a big leap for how we engage with machines and artificial environments/constructions.
If it works
Well.. Lucid dreaming ..
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
If there was significant demand for the technolody, it would have been improved at a far faster pace than it has been.
chrishackwood
Member
Whilst it's true that most people don't want that inconvience there appears to be enough buzz around VR in it's current form to warrant another go at bring it to the masses that want it. The queues at conferences to try out the occulus rift are a good sign to me that if this thing comes in at the right price with the right support it could find it's place in gaming. Although I agree it probably won't set the world on fire.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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The desire to be in a videogame cannot be equated with the desire to breathe. Its a ridiculous notion.
By equating the two, you are impling the demand for each are even remotely comparable. They are not.
BulletTheory
Neo Member
I dont think so... I think a lot of people saying VR is just a gimmick havent tried it for themselves and dont fully understand quite how game changing it is. Its going to take a while for awareness to build, but once the general public experience it for themselves I really believe its going to be the next big thing.
VR isnt just for gamers. Think of the potential in medical, military, scientific training situations that actually place you in an environment where you feel presence.
Imagine being ill in hospital and being given the ability to leave your hospital bed and walk around the world of Journey, or Skyrim.
Have you seen peoples reactions? The astonishment and excitement so many sources have felt when first trying VR? People dont get this excited over gimmicks like move or 3D gaming. VR is gonna happen, and its gonna be massive.