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EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
- Thread starter Deadly Joker
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You would think it would be asked anyway.
sonikokaruto
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I'll buy a wiiU, thank you
Gsak
Member
If both Sony and MS stop used games, I will go for a WiiU too.
zomgbbqftw
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Nah, these events are usually full of softball questions. "How awesome is Sony's latest TV and how many quadrillions are you going to ship?" among other such inanities.
This is definitely not true. Especially in the past months the Orbis rumors were not so positive, especially thanks to comments by Aegis and proelite. Statements such as more confidence in MS, more excited about the Durango were thrown around and people were worried what it could mean for Orbis going forward.
I think it just seems that Durango is getting all the negative news is because it's only now that we are hearing more about it. The whole hyping up about the wizard jizz didn't do it any favors either.
I sincerely hope that this rumor, just like the speculation surrounding that sony patent, will turn out to be false. It's the best outcome for all gamers
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Good thing I have fibre optic
I won't be buying the next xbox or playstation
Almost all the new 360 games, and games period, I've bought have been a result of trading in or selling old games I did not want anymore. This will kill overall game sales for most of the casual and even hardcore market.
Whoever is anti consumer can go to hell and I will not support them based on principle and finances. If its both I hope this goes to the Supreme Court.
Whoever is anti consumer can go to hell and I will not support them based on principle and finances. If its both I hope this goes to the Supreme Court.
It makes no sense to me that I cannot buy Halo Anniversary and download it to the 360. I can get more and better full games on my PS3 via PSN.
I have not sold any of my games in a while, you just don't get enough from a place like Gamestop to make it worth while. And Gamestop sells used games for too much money for what they give in return. So because of this, I don't even want to buy used discs anymore.
All that said, I don't buy digital at the same price I bought physical media, so unless MS and Sony start offering digital titles cheaper than they do now at release, most of my purchases will remain on the PC or Tablet. I know digital prices will eventually go up as all things do, but when a game comes out digitally at the same price it does on physical medium, I will buy physical or wait till the game is discounted.
IMO, Android, iOS and Steam games have taken off is because they are cheap.
I have not sold any of my games in a while, you just don't get enough from a place like Gamestop to make it worth while. And Gamestop sells used games for too much money for what they give in return. So because of this, I don't even want to buy used discs anymore.
All that said, I don't buy digital at the same price I bought physical media, so unless MS and Sony start offering digital titles cheaper than they do now at release, most of my purchases will remain on the PC or Tablet. I know digital prices will eventually go up as all things do, but when a game comes out digitally at the same price it does on physical medium, I will buy physical or wait till the game is discounted.
IMO, Android, iOS and Steam games have taken off is because they are cheap.
You actually made a statement outlining current events. It contained no speculation
Family members can no longer share games in a single household. Sounds pretty shit to me.
You learn something every day.
It won't even have to go to the Supreme Court. If it's truly anti consumer then consumers will vote with their wallets and the idea will fail. Good thing we have competition in the market place.
Personally I think people should have an issue with this. If true, Microsoft is essentially taking freedom away from the consumers and giving more control to the publishers/developers. We've already seen how terrible always online DRM has been in the PC space, and it will be just as bad on consoles. They're essentially punishing people for buying used games and people who buy things legitimately, since always online is something that is also meant to abolish piracy.
More than that, businesses like Gamestop make most of their money off of used game sales. It's not just them either, there are a lot of smaller stores that also make their money this way. You could argue that the market is following this trend already with digital gaming, but this isn't so much the retail market slowly being phased out by something better as it is Microsoft actively ending the market with draconian bullshit.
But this is based on speculation at this point though, and it may turn out to be untrue (hopefully).
Hazelhurst
Member
I applaud Microsoft for doing this if true. Steam and Apple have been doing it for years. I'm assuming, that once the game is installed, no disc would be required. So awesome if true. I hope Sony follows suit.
Punkster_NY
Member
dude....Sony has been in the shit for the last couple of years and even though they sold 70 million PS3s it's still all doom and gloom for them so it's about time they receive some good press.
Not sure if you understood the post or I missed the joke
. For the record nothing wrong in buying a WiiU either You actually made a statement outlining current events. It contained no speculation
All I do is speculate in every thread concerning next gen.
Nothing is official from Sony until the 20th.
Nothing is official from MS until they reveal the damn thing.
That's some good doom and gloom for selling 70 million consoles...
KimonoNoNo
Member
I can see them blocking used games in the US, but it wouldn't fly from EU Commission.
Duxxy3
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If digital prices go up you will see a return to rampant piracy.
Gsak
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SatelliteOfLove
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British supermarkets are going to become the new face of gaming retail in the coming years if this comes to pass.
maquiladora
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Posted yet?
Yahoo Finance asked Microsoft to comment :
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/gamestop-shares-fall-224923306.html
Yahoo Finance asked Microsoft to comment :
http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/gamestop-shares-fall-224923306.html
But what happens if both Sony and MS go the anti consumer route?
I love my 3DS so far but I don't see myself going with a Wii U till at least Zelda. Hopefully this causes Nintendo to step up their game if both Sony and MS decide to fuck consumers over.
Gsak
Member
How original.
Mortimer Brewster
Member
They might try it but the goodwill from the public that Sony would gain from going against the anti used games movement would help Sony take a huge lead over Durango which would force the Western AAA publishers to come running back to Sony if they actually want to make money. Plus Sony could probably hold out long enough for that to happen relying upon their first party lineup and Japanese and European 3rd parties.
Duxxy3
Member
That's the expected response and it will be twisted a thousand ways.
LMFAO! Holy Shit bro - reread what I quoted you on!
You're not speculating - you're making a statement, fml.
Thats the default answer... don't read into that
It depends on how hard publishers support them. If nextbox gets all of the games 3 months or so ahead of everyone else then I hate to say it but most people will bite the bullet.
zomgbbqftw
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Investors like pension funds don't know about this kind of stuff and analysts don't tend to go because we have enough back channel contacts to get the answers we need. Something like this needs to be addressed publicly however, so I put the request in. I don't think anything will come of it though.
Wow this thread moved fast.
I imagine a lot of companies are expecting a similar split in market share (in favor of whom is yet to be determined) unless they've heard about somebody pulling a bonehead "$599" move again. The big third party games will be on both platforms, but I wonder if a system that furthers their objectives in getting people to buy new copies of games will get the better post-release support.
I'm not saying fully exclusive games. Neither Sony or Microsoft is going to pay to get a GTA or COD exclusive because the hundreds of millions in lost sales they'd have to make up for would never come back their way in any quantifiable manner. But timed exclusive content? That already happens for what we presume to be mere cash (or a possibly a break on royalties). I think third parties would definitely go along with helping to push a system that limited second hand sales.
I imagine a lot of companies are expecting a similar split in market share (in favor of whom is yet to be determined) unless they've heard about somebody pulling a bonehead "$599" move again. The big third party games will be on both platforms, but I wonder if a system that furthers their objectives in getting people to buy new copies of games will get the better post-release support.
Karak
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Exactly. I am super excited for 2 consoles that are doing somewhat different things. But I love technology
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
android.cndy
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I love how you spent all that money and you're ready to drop it all on a rumor I love this website.lol
maybe stop bashing people for having their opinions? if they dont feel comfortable with it, its their deal, you should not defend ms or this practice wether the rumor is true or not.
zomgbbqftw
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That's a pretty standard canned response. The person who gave it probably doesn't even know the ramifications of what was being asked!
Voice of Reason
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I'm trying to have a little more faith with this. I'm sure they're going to do something to make this into a good thing. Right guys? Right?
I speculated that we didn't hear anything bad from Sony's camp. I was later corrected.
Okay?
For PS4 and 720... This is bad.
MS is a publisher too.
This might just be the price MS is asked to pay to retain the kind of advantage they gained with publishers over the past gen. Now that Sony seems to be clawing back some good will by all accounts and doesn't seem likely to give MS the same kind of massive head start they gave them last time around all this may really be more about what they stand to lose...
I'm not really sure that guarantees a response from Sony, seeing as how they mostly let the same kind of thing happen this past gen.
zomgbbqftw
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You see the thing is, by limiting DLC on the platform that is friendly to second hand sales publishers only damage their own income. To make up for lost income in game sales, they need to push more content to second hand buyers, DLC is a nice income stream for them and giving timed exclusives to the platform that doesn't have second hand owners is just going to hurt them in the long term.
The thing is Xbox 360 is already a dust collector if you aren't Gold, so I'm betting Microsoft thought 'let's take the next step'.
scytherage
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SONY: This is a major opportunity, the right thing to do is VERY obvious. Don't think with your bank account. Think of improving your reputation.
MICROSOFT: What is wrong with you???
MICROSOFT: What is wrong with you???
Are we seriously going to have to hear idiocy like this all the way until E3?
phew now that's a relief..for a second there I thought they might NOT be thinking about their next console or something. Crisis averted