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EDGE: What Microsofts always-on Xbox means for PlayStation 4
- Thread starter Deadly Joker
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So Gamestop will become Nintendostop.
Ok.
I personally think no-used is the right way to go, but a complete revamp of the current-gen pricing structure will have to happen. I'm willing to bet Microsoft has a plan to refocus value into exclusive content and a larger pricing range (from $10 games to $100 games). IF this is true.
In the mean time, it has become clear that Nintendo is banking on retail to remain relevant throughout this generation. While I think they are correct, it will be fun to see how this develops. Nintendo's reliance on the past may end up paying off for them. We will see.
Ok.
I personally think no-used is the right way to go, but a complete revamp of the current-gen pricing structure will have to happen. I'm willing to bet Microsoft has a plan to refocus value into exclusive content and a larger pricing range (from $10 games to $100 games). IF this is true.
In the mean time, it has become clear that Nintendo is banking on retail to remain relevant throughout this generation. While I think they are correct, it will be fun to see how this develops. Nintendo's reliance on the past may end up paying off for them. We will see.
Surely a journalist would raise the point - I know I would. In any case it does need to be asked because it would be a major change for the console industry that will have ramifications to the bottom line.
Uno Venova
Banned
Microsoft PR using a mac confirmed.
No - you made a statement at how you were amazed:
... and I asked you a question which you stumbled trying to avoid by calling your statement a "speculation". You don't know how this game works do you? It's called a discussion. You talk to people. Converse back and forth. This isn't one-sided. You don't get to make statements, then try to change the meaning after the fact, then do your best not to participate. You don't want to answer the question, that's cool. Then ignore the question but don't try to spin statements you make, SMH. Uncool.
I'll be blunt: After PSP/PS3/Vita - what do you have against Sony? Why do you want them to fail so badly that you think a bit of good news on a console launch since the past 3 SUCKED is enough to "amaze"... is 3 not good enough?
I'm genuinely curious what you have to gain by being so "amazed" at how Sony has some good news.
Punkster_NY
Member
and the fact that you used one of Reiko's posts to potentially prove this rumor legit makes it even more delicious. lol
Damn dude. Give it a rest.
And for the record, I have nothing against Sony. I currently own a PS2 & PS3. Don't have a VITA anymore.
You better hope that part of the rumor is not true.
zomgbbqftw
Banned
Hence the request.
Doubtful because what type of reaction would you expect the public to have...thereis nothing in this announcement that is good for the owner of the console.
No - I like calling people out. It shows their character when they can't engage in discussion but would rather try to spin what they said, themselves, than enter into a debate.
This is a forum. This is what people are here for. If you don't want to enter into a discussion - then don't post. Simple, I know.
Again, if you don't want to get called out bro - you're better off not posting at all.
Whatever you say bro. You're just wasting your time. I can post whenever I want to. I didn't sign up on GAF to please you.
But if you think "You're calling me out"... Have fun. I really don't care anymore.
It is looking more likely that I will buy a PS4 before a 720. Take apart that post too if you like.
Let me sweeten it for you.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47401117&postcount=52
gaming_noob
Member
I just find it amazing that we've heard nothing negative from Sony's new console.
WATCHU GON' DO 'BOUT IT
maquiladora
Member
Damn, its gonna be a crazy year on gaf with every bit of next gen news causing craziness like this.... 
A few of my friends are saying this as well. Has there been any positive leak about the next Xbox? It's been very odd to say the least.
Baconsammy
Banned
I find it amazing that anyone has any faith in Sony to do something right(outside of the usual SDF members). Ever. I certainly don't. They have the most to prove to me. Not just with video game consoles, but TVs, music products etc as well. It's not often you see a company with such diverse properties faceplant in nearly every single one of them at the same time.
Outside of Xbox fans and leakers that appear to want the Durango to be great, nope. *edit* And that Superdae tweeter.
Been said so often that it might as well be their company motto.
I really think Sony is turning things around. This might be the year.
4 new IPs on Xbox 720......
Version 3.0
Member
Excuse me, but I happen to think that level-minded people, whom unfortunately are indeed less populous than I was hoping, would buy the PS4 not because they can buy used games, but because they can do everything involved with actually owning what you buy: borrow, lend, rent, sell, keep and use forever, play on multiple consoles of my own, and yes, buy used.
Buying used is just one part of a much larger issue. Preventing that prevents everything else on that list.
gundamkyoukai
Member
True but they are trying for eg there new smart phone is looking good and seem to have a positive buzz.
Yeah, how does Steve manage to even walk?
Chuck Norris
Banned
WI can't see Sony doing it, they WILL lose Japan if they do. They will be releasing the most expensive system where you can't have used games. It is an interesting conundrum, do publishers go all in with MS? What about the potential backlash, the retailers shoving 720s into the back of the store? What about European developers or publishers, or those with a significant interest in Europe? Does MS just give up on countries like Germany where this sort of practice is illegal? How do developers like CD Projekt, Crytek and DICE react to not being able to sell in their own backyards if Europe becomes a write-off?
The leaks are doing more damage than actual information. Or are we taking every leak as gospel?
The idea of no used games doesn't phase me, but always internet connected does. I live in Australia and my not so flash internet disconnects sometimes. The idea that if the net drops out I'm booted out of my game is just stupid.
Registering activation codes for games and tying them to one account is inconvenient, but steam already does that and I don't mind. The need to be always online on the other hand is not so nice.
Of course the other issue is Xbox Live Gold. If Microsoft think I need to pay for the privilege of playing online next gen then I'm switching to the PS4. Gold is the biggest rip-off out there.
Registering activation codes for games and tying them to one account is inconvenient, but steam already does that and I don't mind. The need to be always online on the other hand is not so nice.
Of course the other issue is Xbox Live Gold. If Microsoft think I need to pay for the privilege of playing online next gen then I'm switching to the PS4. Gold is the biggest rip-off out there.
Uno Venova
Banned
Only VGleaks and EDGE.
Chuck Norris
Banned
In the Grand scheme of things, Sony have had a couple of bad years in a long line of great years. Those bad years mainly caused by poor management. They now have new management, and a new more focused "vision", its only fair to give them a chance before concluding they will fuck it up.
Tallshortman
Member
In the US? Not even remotely close. I think the samsung chromebook might has sold moderately well but they're still niche products.
Always connected is a disaster waiting to happen. If they implement that, it will be a huge mistake.
JennyTablina
Member
A lot of press were actually incredibly excited for Dreamcast....till Sony showed off proper demos of the PS2 that practically blew whatever Sega had shown out of the water. Mostly the Sega faithful and a few others stayed for the promised innovative titles/Sonic and the odd decent title that joe public actually got hyped about (like Power Stone). But most people I knew were firmly in the Playstation camp and opted to wait the extra year for the PS2 instead.
But the press only came to that conclusion at the time because Sega had been on the crazy sauce for 5 years up to this point, blunders with Mega CD, 32X and Saturn meant the press just wasn't going to be that excited about Dreamcast. Even with a "proper" Sonic Title heading up the initial title announcements - which again press would be a bit tentative about thanks to the mess that was Sonic Xtreme
It's a shame because Sega did try to throw everything they had at the system (I recall the impressive demos, the massive press events for Sonic Adventure and other game announcements) - but they had tanted their own brand so much, and then with the silly squabbling over SoA and SoJ's proof of concept systems being bounced about in the press too - they effectively shot themselves in the foot. This isn't what's happening, I'm sure Sony is muddying the waters here - but a large number of the Xbox audience won't even hear this rumor. So I wouldn't go considering this attempt at putting gamers off the system is going to have some kind of Dreamcast height ramifications.
Microsoft have made some silly blunders and slightly iffy decisions (Xbox Live Gold/Silver - Kinect) but nothing that's going to hurt the Xbox brand on the level that Sega inflicted upon itself
StrangeADT
Banned
Yep. The only reason Steam gets away with what it does is because of ridiculous sale prices. No skin off my back if I can't resell something I got for $5. OTOH, if I pay $60 for some game on PS4 and it's total shite, I want to be able to sell it. If this is all true, and Sony allows second hand market to continue, that's where I'll go.
The last leak that had positive buzz was the Chinese leak. It's been underwhelming since.
No you didn't sign up to GAF to please me. Apparently, you signed up to GAF to post, then when someone quotes you and asks a question, you whine about it. So you're here to post, instead of engage in conversation
Fair enough, actually. Some people like doing that. Protip: if you do not want to engage in conversation, DO NOT RESPOND, and if you do respond - don't twist your own words XD
I was genuinely curious to my initial question you kept dodging and whining about tho as to how people perceive both MS and Sony - I don't have a stake in either and I could easily... EASILY see why people would hate on Sony and MS... I've just never been here on GAF for a console launch... so I like hearing why people hold their opinions because..
maybe... just maybe they will bring up a point I have never thought of or heard of before and help me make up my own mind
especially since I can only purchase 1 console out of the gates this time and one at a later date - I'm trying to pick my Day 1 poison.I'm certainly not the brightest - but the more information I can soak up from others - the smarter I become and the fewer missteps I will make.
No you didn't sign up to GAF to please me. Apparently, you signed up to GAF to post, then when someone quotes you and asks a question, you whine about it. So you're here to post, instead of engage in conversation
Fair enough, actually. Some people like doing that. Protip: if you do not want to engage in conversation, DO NOT RESPOND, and if you do respond - don't twist your own words XD
I was genuinely curious to my initial question you kept dodging and whining about tho as to how people perceive both MS and Sony - I don't have a stake in either and I could easily... EASILY see why people would hate on Sony and MS... I've just never been here on GAF for a console launch... so I like hearing why people hold their opinions because..
maybe... just maybe they will bring up a point I have never thought of or heard of before and help me make up my own mind
I'm certainly not the brightest - but the more information I can soak up from others - the smarter I become and the fewer missteps I will make.
It doesn't get that serious. And I'm not whining, half of the time I'm trying to figure out what you are even posting.
The only thing I hated about Sony was the PS2 hype that killed the Dreamcast. But in actuality, Sega killed themselves. And that was a long time ago.
Because the developer still has the potential to make money either way, and they get a sort of A/B test on just how much 2nd hand sales might actually cut into their own sales.
3rdamention
Member
I know...I crack up that people think EDGE. would run this story based on a source that is some undercover Sony worker trying to smear Microsoft..EDGE ran the story basically twice.....They believe in their source...Yahoo Finance contacted Microsoft and they didnt deny it at all..
Voice of Reason
Banned
...because their console hasn't even been announced yet.
3rdamention
Member
Great breakdown......this is more than simply buying used games...
RSLAEV
Member
I really...REALLY don't think Edge would be publishing this story if there weren't some truth to it. Implying that they would makes you sound paranoid.
Xbox is extremely tilted towards US/UK/First World, countries that already have a very high level of broadband access. When you correlate households with broadband access to console ownership that percentage will be even higher. I also don't think this is something the average person would be particularly concerned with.
I'm sure they've done the math, slightly less marketshare, but higher profits. Hopefully Sony have done the math and it came out opposite, otherwise I don't like the look of next gen.
I'm sure they've done the math, slightly less marketshare, but higher profits. Hopefully Sony have done the math and it came out opposite, otherwise I don't like the look of next gen.
I got there eventually lol.
Of course, Edge are a highly respected and long running magazine with lots of long term sources. I could post articles from them dating back to pre PS1/Saturn era with correct specs. I doubt they would ruin that reputation that took so many years to build up by posting a BS story just for a few hits on their website. That's tin foil hat territory.
Ravensmash
Member
How dare they follow up a topical story/rumour with an opinion piece!
You do realise this is how the world of media works? Something big gets announced/rumoured and writers typically express a viewpoint towards it separate from the main objective piece, right?
You know at first I thought there's noway but as I think about it more perhaps they will do like Netflix and get rental only discs with features cut out.. maybe no multiplayer or something. Who knows.
rudieboy77
Member
If there is an expanded next gen XBL store front, like Origin/Steam, I doubt very seriously we will see the kind of discounts that Steam offers.
funkystudent
Member
He can give his opinion to SCEI, then they'll tell him what his opinion for PS4 is.