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Eee Pad Transformer - Tablet/Netbook super device

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Charred Greyface said:
That's the theory sure but I want to know how well it works in practice: Are the apps designed for Hoenycomb? Can I remap the keys of Mac OS X? Will two finger scrolling work, and other gestures perhaps? How fast is the refresh rate?

Are you talking about remote desktop or how android apps jive with the keyboard?

the transformer comes with it's own remote desktop software, you install a program on your pc. there are two finger gestures for scrolling, panning, etc

Vyer said:
Floating between elements of the UI, swiping/pinching, responsiveness, etc. *are* going to be a part of routine, actual use.

In any case, the video does a good job of making the comparison. The Asus obviously isn't anywhere near as smooth, but it's hardly crippling.

sure, but not the in the manner they compared them. im not sure about you guys buy i dont make it habit to pinch zoom uncontrollably when im viewing webpages, or when im trying to launch an app you wont catch me swiping back and forth for no reason.

id just rather see real world comparisons of all around usage
 
Charred Greyface said:
That's the theory sure but I want to know how well it works in practice: Are the apps designed for Hoenycomb? Can I remap the keys of Mac OS X? Will two finger scrolling work, and other gestures perhaps? How fast is the refresh rate?

I don't know any one who wants to remap keys on-the-fly, you will have to buy one and find it out yourself.
 
Kilrogg said:
With everyone jumping on any kind of bandwagon Apple starts, are there companies out there still seeking to improve regular netbooks? I'd be content with something that offers 2GB of RAM out of the box, and a low-end, yet not integrated graphics card for $300 or so, but apparently no one including Asus, the originator of the netbook, is interested in doing that.

At least if they wanna make tablets they should drop those weird hybrids and just make real ones. I still remember when brain_stew was praising Sandybridge and how it would allow even netbooks to offer reasonable performances for fairly recent games.

Anyone knows what's up with the classic netbook market?

For anyone asking: no I don't want a tablet because I have really sweaty palms, don't want to be using a stylus all the time and like physical keyboards.


The whole market pretty much gave up on the netbook idea after 2009. Basically intel discovered there was no money to be made from Atom platforms so they make the new chips more expensive. And Asus and other manufacturer are making bigger "netbooks" thats just standard small laptops.

There is no more 7" to 9" netbooks, no more emphasis on simplified keyboard that's easy to type, no more emphasis on light and compact. In other words, the netbook concept is dead.

You can find a Sony Vaio P on ebay or a UMID mBook from Korea which IMO are true successor of the original Asus 7" EEE netbook. But no more new netbooks. Blame the fucking market. And fuck intel.
 
Copernicus said:
Are you talking about remote desktop or how android apps jive with the keyboard?

the transformer comes with it's own remote desktop software, you install a program on your pc. there are two finger gestures for scrolling, panning, etc
I have a Mac... I'd like to know how well the remote desktop feature works and if there are alternatives in the Market. I know the feature exist but don't know how good it is (like there are many rdp and vnc apps for the iPad but the platform isn't good enough to log in and use Microsoft Office remotely)
 
Charred Greyface said:
I have a Mac... I'd like to know how well the remote desktop feature works and if there are alternatives in the Market. I know the feature exist but don't know how good it is (like there are many rdp and vnc apps for the iPad but the platform isn't good enough to log in and use Microsoft Office remotely)

ah ok, there isnt software to install for the mac on asus website at the moment so youll have to hunt down specific software, how good those apps are will determine the experience

it appears that the transformer has built in USB HID support so at the very least youll get keybaord/cursor use even if you dont get stuff like mutitouch on the trackpad
 
Vic said:
Something tells me that ASUS has shipped very low quantities.

I went to 5 places that were listed on their "resellers" list this morning when they opened. Nobody at any of the 5 places had even heard of the damn thing, much less received one.

"Selling out quickly" is a pretty lofty way of describing what's going on here.
 
jonezer4 said:
I went to 5 places that were listed on their "resellers" list this morning when they opened. Nobody at any of the 5 places had even heard of the damn thing, much less received one.

"Selling out quickly" is a pretty lofty way of describing what's going on here.

From the android thread:


Vyse The Legend said:
You won't find any in-store. It was released online only.
 
Ephemeris said:
From the android thread:

I figured this was the case, but their promotions specifically said "On STORE SHELVES April 26th." (Interestingly I'm not able to find this ad anymore.) Wtf? Had I known it was online only I would have tried to secure it online, although I've heard even lots of people that did that at 12 midnight weren't successful. What a clusterfuck.
 
jonezer4 said:
I figured this was the case, but their promotions specifically said "On STORE SHELVES April 26th." (Interestingly I'm not able to find this ad anymore.) Wtf? Had I known it was online only I would have tried to secure it online, although I've heard even lots of people that did that at 12 midnight weren't successful. What a clusterfuck.
I was awake at 4am EST and the shit was selling out. LOL

Ah, what can you do in such a case.
 
Kilrogg said:
With everyone jumping on any kind of bandwagon Apple starts, are there companies out there still seeking to improve regular netbooks? I'd be content with something that offers 2GB of RAM out of the box, and a low-end, yet not integrated graphics card for $300 or so, but apparently no one including Asus, the originator of the netbook, is interested in doing that.

At least if they wanna make tablets they should drop those weird hybrids and just make real ones. I still remember when brain_stew was praising Sandybridge and how it would allow even netbooks to offer reasonable performances for fairly recent games.

Anyone knows what's up with the classic netbook market?

For anyone asking: no I don't want a tablet because I have really sweaty palms, don't want to be using a stylus all the time and like physical keyboards.

Dead as a doornail. There's no money in it.
 
Well, I went to Best Buy, foolishly thinking that they'd have these in stores, which of course they don't. But while I was at best buy I messed around with the Xoom...and that thing is really, really slow. I hope the Eee pad is a lot faster than the Xoom. Otherwise, I'm out.
 
Andrex said:
I still love netbooks. :(

Me too, conceptually--but real netbooks; low power, low voltage, SSD/Flash, near-infinite battery power--not the more recent "slightly smaller laptop maybe without an optical drive" types.

Although I haven't used mine at all since I got a tablet, so maybe I don't. Hahaha.
 
Is there anything better than the ep 121?

I want something I can actually draw with on a serious level that I can take with me. I've heard it has a similar feel to the Wacom Cintiq? It's fast enough that it won't lag in Photoshop with a hundred layers, right?

I know there's no video card, but that won't matter with painter or anything like that, right? I'm an illustration student, so it's pretty important the thing works.
 
Andrex said:
I still love netbooks. :(
Preach it brother.

The other day I read a blog of Chippy. from umpcportal.com, he basically said because the blogger landscape changed so much he might have to consider closing the blog. What a terrible news for netbook users.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Me too, conceptually--but real netbooks; low power, low voltage, SSD/Flash, near-infinite battery power--not the more recent "slightly smaller laptop maybe without an optical drive" types.

Although I haven't used mine at all since I got a tablet, so maybe I don't. Hahaha.

Agreed about real netbooks. Super-long battery life and high portability is the only reasons I love them. But they're two very big reasons.
 
On the bright side, ASUS released a firmware update today fixing the video recording framerate issues. 2 updates in 2 weeks, that's promising for future support.
 
I got an Asus netbook last August for $300. The Transformer is basically what I really wanted back then, but I'm happy with the netbook for now. I'll probably move up to something like it in a few years -- hopefully they'll be around $300 then too.
 
Aruarian Reflection said:
On the bright side, ASUS released a firmware update today fixing the video recording framerate issues. 2 updates in 2 weeks, that's promising for future support.

Yeah, with all the talk of lag, which is present and is bigger than the iPad, I'm confident that it has less to do with the hardware and more to do with immature firmware.

My Galaxy S I9000 phone was a piece of crap that gave me serious buyer's remorse when I got it with 2.1 because whilst it looked gorgeous it's performance was a little sad. I didn't want to mess around with it so I waited for the official 2.2 update and things got a lot better - I fell in lust with it a bit but there was still a bit of lag. A few days ago I grabbed the official 2.3.3 Samsung firmware that has only had a partial release and put that on it (I'm still not keen on homebrew ROMS). Now it feels like a mature device that's snappy as hell and a joy to use and I feel like I've gotten my money's worth.

From what I've seen the Transformer appears to be where my phone was under 2.2 - very good but there's that little bit more to come.
 
I want it i want it i want it I want it I want it. can't wait til XDA get their hands on this thing.

edit: read through the thread; features that I don't think have been discussed that are crucial to me =

-in addition to the 2 full USB 2 ports, there is a full-size SD slot which just works. Seriously. You plug in a card, it shows up in your file structure as removable storage.
-The dock is not a "keyboard accessory." For basically the same price as this iPad bluetooth keyboard/case: http://www.zagg.com/accessories/zaggmate-ipad-case (I guess it's 50 dollars more now, so that case and a battery), you get: a keyboard, a multitouch mousepad, an extra battery adding ~7 hours and recharging the tablet battery, two USB ports, an SD card reader, and a "case" (it accomplishes the same task of changing the form factor as that Zagg case, that is, the screen is no longer exposed to the air when it is attached and closed. And all this for something roughly the same price as a keyboard alone that would actually drain the battery because it uses bluetooth.
-The user experience while using this dock is quite simply not the same as using a tablet with a keyboard. It's easy to see this in videos where someone sits down and uses it. When you plug it in, you literally have a fully-functional Honeycomb netbook- and the best one available so far, no less. You never have to touch the screen if you don't want to. You get a cursor, you can do mouse gestures in the trackpad, and Honeycomb responds remarkably well to the traditional desktop metaphor.
-The top row of the keyboard is all function keys. Here they are:
Back - (right click also performs this)
Wifi toggle
Bluetooth toggle
Trackpad toggle
Display brightness up
Display brightness down
Auto brightness
Screen shot -- yup- hardware button.
Browser
Settings
Reverse
Play/pause
Forward
Mute
Volume down
Volume up
Lock/screen off

Hit the lock button and you can wake the device by pressing the enter key. They really put some thought into this thing.
-HDMI out is a feature I would absolutely get a lot of use out of. I do most of my HQ media consumption on a projector these days, and while I can stream content through my PS3 just fine, being able to throw stuff on there and just hook it up without the need for a PC at all is very appealing. So is bringing stuff over to a friend's house and watching it on the big screen.
-While there are admittedly problems with Honeycomb and this device's software that need to be fixed, what really appeals to be about it isn't the eventuality of those problems getting fixed and Asus making it run better. It's using the device as an entry into the Honeycomb modding community. When really good custom ROMs start coming out, this is going to be a perfect device to play around with them on- and eventually it will be just as capable as any other Honeycomb tablet on the software front, I have no doubt.
-IPS screen... best screen i've seen on any device besdies the iPad, and it's notably cheaper. Outstanding.

Soon as these are well-stocked, I'm gonna get one. Well, assuming I have the money.
 
Andrex said:
I still love netbooks. :(
That's because you're trying to get work done on those. Just lay back and browse away on your tablet of choice!
 
Trent Strong said:
But when will they be well-stocked? It could be forever. :/

Best Buy after saying they were sold out did make the cryptic comment "UPS might be on the way right now" :P

sweetvar26 said:
So is this the best pad in the market for its price range?

There essentially ARE no other pads in this price range. The Notion Ink Adam is essentially it, but you're talking a very different approach to things as it is from a no-name start up with a lot of promise versus, well, the same company that makes my motherboard. It's cool, but sadly saddled with a lot of disappointing problems and almost complete unavailability due to their small supply infrastructure.

In the range below you have a group of very cheaply-made tablets, and, I kid you not, the Nook Color by far the reigning champion of value for $250.

Above it you have the Xoom, iPad 2, Playbook and other upcoming big-name tablets.
 
blu said:
That's because you're trying to get work done on those. Just lay back and browse away on your tablet of choice!

Actually I make it a thing to do as little work as possible on one. Browsing the web on a netbook is dreamy.
 
Kilrogg said:
With everyone jumping on any kind of bandwagon Apple starts, are there companies out there still seeking to improve regular netbooks? I'd be content with something that offers 2GB of RAM out of the box, and a low-end, yet not integrated graphics card for $300 or so, but apparently no one including Asus, the originator of the netbook, is interested in doing that.
I think they're mostly waiting for Win8. Since it will run on ARM SoC's and have a touch UI mode (for hybrids like this device) ... it doesn't really make sense to do much R&D right now.
 
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