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[AzureRonin]

I dunno, I see things that are supposed to be brown, brown, but other things are pretty not samey. You're also looking at just one screen shot there.

well I've also seen the videos and stuff. To me the twilight world looks like it has a filter on that mutes the colours. They are still colours.

I'm just saying maybe that's what Aonuma was referring to when he said monotone.

 

[MMaRsu]

How you supposed to do that? Zelda is a really colourful world.

Why did you steal my avatar

 

[SantaC]

This looks pretty damn awesome.

 

[trh]

This looks pretty damn awesome.

Except for the arrow above Midna. (omg doomed)

And something I've been wondering about for a couple of days now, what's up with the circles to the right? Some kind of meter for how much you can use sense/dig?

 

[AzureRonin]

I like that style more than black/white, it's seems more ethereal.

 

[Xdrive05]

No more console Zelda games with stumpy football-headed Link please.

Give me Majora's Mask art style cell shading!

 

[Katana_Strikes]

Wind Waker 2 plz!

 

[yilmazz]

Hey Nintendo, just come up with a new ip and make it an awesome cel shaded adventure mmorpg in extended wind waker style. Thank you.

 

[beelzebozo]

Hey webzen, just come up with a new ip and make it an awesome cel shaded adventure mmorpg in extended wind waker style and call it wiki. Thank you.

interesting

 

[plagiarize]

i'm happy enough we're getting a wind waker sequel in phantom hourglass. of course, i'll be getting twilight princess, let people have their realistic zelda, and depending on how twilight princess's story goes, we may be begging for a straight sequel to that next too.

but i'd never say no to more wind waker styled zeldas. i love Wind Waker. was just playing it yesterday (to remind myself how good certain cube games still look on my TV).

 

[Oblivion]

This isn't anything new. Aonuma's admitted in the past that he's a WW Link fanboy. Being one of the people who originally came up with the direction, it's not surprising...

I still think that cel shading fits the Zelda style better than the "realistic" approach. Looking back to how I saw the original Zeldas, it always had cartoony visuals with bright colours. Look at the manual artwork for example.

If you look at it from this perspective, Ocarina of Time was the one that didn't fit.. and Wind Waker was a step back to the original concept. I still welcome Twilight Princess, but I wouldn't want them to go all "realistic" in the future, as it just doesn't fit Zelda.

What? No, just no. Wind Waker's character designs are the most deviant in Zelda's history. It's actually the odd man out.

Then it actually sank in for people that WW's world looked beautiful.

Fixed.

I want a cel shaded Zelda with a mature edge

let's have adult link cel-shaded for wii.
k aonuma?

No more console Zelda games with stumpy football-headed Link please.

Give me Majora's Mask art style cell shading!

YES! YES! That is how WW SHOULD have looked.

I admittedly LOVED WW's environments, especially some parts like Windfall Island, and Underground Hyrule, but I could do without that particular Link. Honestly, WW had the means the potential to almost nail Zelda's style but it fell short imo.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

didn't miyamoto say this is the last traditional zelda game?

 

[Oblivion]

didn't miyamoto say this is the last traditional zelda game?

Something to that effect, yes I believe.

 

[Scrow]

Give me Majora's Mask art style cell shading!

http://www.gamecritics.com/feature/artgallery/zelda64mm/art01.gif[/IMG]

yep, i'd love that.

i still like TWW style though, and if Nintendo did it again I'd be happy.

what I'd really like to see is a cel-shaded style like this though

 

[Mr. Pointy]

That looks pretty monotone to me. It's got a brownish tinge to everything.

You're probably thinking sepiatone.

Anyway, more cel-shaded Zelda would be awesome.

 

[SantaC]

yep, i'd love that.

i still like TWW style though, and if Nintendo did it again I'd be happy.

what I'd really like to see is a cel-shaded style like this though

lttp art ftw

 

[Game-Biz]

WTF? This interview is very old...I remember reading it a LONG time ago.

 

[Lee N]

What? No, just no. Wind Waker's character designs are the most deviant in Zelda's history. It's actually the odd man out.

Have you even seen the original artwork?

Who's the "odd man out" again?

 

[My Arms Your Hearse]

Please Nintendo, keep that shit away from Zelda.

 

[Error]

Please Nintendo, keep that shit away from Zelda.

:rolleyes

WW looks a lot better than TP if you ask me.

 

[beelzebozo]

:rolleyes

WW looks a lot better than TP if you ask me.

i'm inclined to agree, but i'm more concerned with the affect the art style will have on overall tone than just the visual aesthetic.

could a character like salvatore exist in twilight princess? the silly joy in the design of many elements of wind waker, i fear, may have been canned to pander to that "hard-edged mature zelda" wishin' crowd. that's scary.

 

[Shikamaru Ninja]

didn't miyamoto say this is the last traditional zelda game?

Well yeah, it was supposed to be the last Zelda you could play with a regular controller. But that changed now.

 

[TheGreatDave]

There's plenty of odd looking characters in the E305 trailer. I'm sure it'll be just as fun.

 

[gamergirly]

Please Nintendo, keep that shit away from Zelda.

:lol

Im sure Nintendo could make an epic out of cell shaded graphics, but it's never going to feel as mature and traditional as realistic graphics. They can have cellshaded graphics for the younger oriented Zelda purposes and realistic graphics for older and more mature oriented Zelda purposes.

 

[jarosh]

:lol

Im sure Nintendo could make an epic out of cell shaded graphics, but it's never going to feel as mature and traditional as realistic graphics. They can have cellshaded graphics for the younger oriented Zelda purposes and realistic graphics for older and more mature oriented Zelda purposes.

yeah right. this game is sooo kiddy:

 

[ElectricBlue187]

yeah right. this game is sooo kiddy:

no but it does look like crap
not saying ww did, but XIII does. Mature + cell doesn't work quite right

 

[Acosta]

but XIII does.

Err, you know that is Killer 7, not XIII, right? (and Killer 7 looks great and like a bazillions of times better than XIII).

A "mature" Zelda with cell-shaded style could be fantastic if the nail the artistic style.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Err, you know that is Killer 7, not XIII, right? (and Killer 7 looks great and like a bazillions of times better than XIII).

oh well they look very similar to me

Killer 7 looks like XIII without the weird BAM messages

anyway I don't like either style but I did like windwaker it seems like that's what the style is meant for

 

[Scrow]

i'm inclined to agree, but i'm more concerned with the affect the art style will have on overall tone than just the visual aesthetic.

could a character like salvatore exist in twilight princess? the silly joy in the design of many elements of wind waker, i fear, may have been canned to pander to that "hard-edged mature zelda" wishin' crowd. that's scary.

maybe.... maybe not

 

[Acosta]

Killer 7 looks like XIII without the weird BAM messages

It doen´t, really. If you have a chance, play it. Maybe you won´t like it, but I grant you it will change your perception of what cel-shaded can do.

XIII cel-shaded is really bland and it doen´t touch the style of Killer 7.

After Wind Waker, Rogue Galaxy, Okami, Killer 7 and some surprising anime games, I´m convinced that cel-shaded graphics can arrive to anime levels in next-gen and bring some really great visual experiences. Would be glad that the guys that took the lead with Wind Waker come back again to that technique with a more powerful machine like Wii.

 

[jarosh]

lol you're funny electricblue

 

[LegendofJoe]

XIII was actually a pretty solid shooter, and if it was nothing else it was certainly interesting to look at. I thought it was a nice change of pace from almost every game out there that mimmicks real life. Games take place in a fictional reality so I see nothing wrong with a more colorful, whimsical graphical presentation from time to time.

If you feel the need Nintendo bring on Wind Waker 2 or if not Twilight Princess 2, it doesn't affect me either way.


Oh yeah and btw, the XIII team is the team behind Red Steel. Reason enough to expect a solid game in my honest opinion.

 

[beelzebozo]

maybe.... maybe not

touche.

 

[Wollan]

 

[ElectricBlue187]

LOL

 

[charlequin]

The "celshading can't be teh mat00r" argument is so dumb. Plenty of actual "mature" animated material exists. Hell, look at what you're saying. "A game that's shaded with flat areas of color can't possibly be mature and adult like a game shaded with standard light sources." Uh... huh.

 

[Acosta]

XIII was actually a pretty solid shooter, and if it was nothing else it was certainly interesting to look at. I thought it was a nice change of pace from almost every game out there that mimmicks real life. Games take place in a fictional reality so I see nothing wrong with a more colorful, whimsical graphical presentation from time to time.

I played a lot XIII, and I´m agree with you, it has its moments, was solid (a bit boring in some parts maybe) and overall, it was a new experiece (I tkink the last game that attempted a drawn like look was Outlaw).

But the use of the cel-shader technique there was pretty bland in my opinion. It looked odd, characters looked like they were apart of the scenary (curiously, they are having the same problem with Red Steel). I would never use XIII as an example of good use of cel-shaded.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

The "celshading can't be teh mat00r" argument is so dumb. Plenty of actual "mature" animated material exists. Hell, look at what you're saying. "A game that's shaded with flat areas of color can't possibly be mature and adult like a game shaded with standard light sources." Uh... huh.

for better or worse, cell shading is most used recently in children's TV shows and Pixar movies, so that's where the idea comes from. Not to mention the fact that Wind Waker is a kid link whereas we were promised an adult link before the GCN launch (i still remember the bumb mapping video fight between link and ganon, ah memories).

 

[raYne]

As long as it's a more "realistic" style and not more bobblehead Link. *thumbs up*

 

[beelzebozo]

for better or worse, cell shading is most used recently in children's TV shows and Pixar movies, so that's where the idea comes from. Not to mention the fact that Wind Waker is a kid link whereas we were promised an adult link before the GCN launch (i still remember the bumb mapping video fight between link and ganon, ah memories).

that space world video has not aged well.
wind waker, on the other hand, has.
you're confusing "medium" with "content," much like people who think all comics are about superheroes.

not all cel-shading is "kiddy," hence jarosh's reference to killer7.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

that space world video has not aged well.
wind waker, on the other hand, has.

one is considerably older than the other...

you're confusing "medium" with "content," much like people who think all comics are about superheroes.

not all cel-shading is "kiddy," hence jarosh's reference to killer7.

my argument is the medium can be considered "kiddy" (not my word) based on the majority of uses of the medium. Games like XIII or Killer 7 are an exception, not the rule, and that's why people see it this way. Just as alot of people think comics are about superheroes because alot of them are.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

But what is monotone about bright purple deep blues and light browns?

it looks washed out, maybe be bad caps, or some filter that just looks bad in caps but better on your tv?

 

[Jiggy]

I really wish some fair-sized company would just run a survey to confirm what we're all saying: it's not that anybody hated cel-shading itself, but that they hated WW Link's Powerpuff Girl proportions. Can't see anyone complaining about LttP/OoT-style proportions. Ever.

 

[charlequin]

for better or worse, cell shading is most used recently in children's TV shows and Pixar movies

Do you know what cell-shading is? Pixar movies are the very most opposite possible of cell-shading.

Also, that argument had a lot more traction maybe five years ago. Everyone's seen Cowboy Bebop or the Animatrix or Kill Bill Part 1 by now, Americans with any actual pop culture knowledge don't really have an excuse for saying cartoons = kiddie anymore.

Not to mention the fact that Wind Waker is a kid link whereas we were promised an adult link before the GCN launch (i still remember the bumb mapping video fight between link and ganon, ah memories).

But unless someone is a little slow they should be able to separate the graphical effect from the graphical style or the storyline/charcter design of the game. A stylized, high-contrast style could do very well for a "darker" Zelda.

 

[brandonh83]

When they get it to look like this, yes, sure. Until then, not so much. I liked Wind Waker and all and I felt they got the animation on spot, but the actual designs left a lot to be desired.

 

[Oblivion]

Have you even seen the original artwork?

Who's the "odd man out" again?

What the hell? Guess I was looking at Zelda 2 then. Aw well, the point still stands that it's hideous looking.

:rolleyes

WW's EVIRONMENTS looks a lot better than TP if you ask me.

Fixed. Get it right damn it!

 

[castle007]

yep, i'd love that.

i still like TWW style though, and if Nintendo did it again I'd be happy.

what I'd really like to see is a cel-shaded style like this though

Did Zelda catch him masturbating?? :lol

 

[SantaC]

that's how I want my next cpnsole zelda!

 

[Dragona Akehi]

I just came into this thread to say, Wind Waker rox, TP sux, and Oblivion is wrong. Ta-ta.

 

[Oblivion]

I just came into this thread to say, Wind Waker rox, TP sux, and Oblivion is wrong. Ta-ta.