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End nears for the "Queen of the Skies": Delta and United joins others in retiring 747

FrankCanada97

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http://www.cntraveler.com/story/why-the-boeing-747-is-the-most-popular-airplane-in-history

U.S. airlines are retiring their 747s ahead of schedule, and already, some passengers are mourning the loss of the classic jetliner once known as the "Queen of the Skies."

Delta Air Lines and United are locked in an unusual competition, and it’s one that has nothing to do with air fares or who has the best Wi-Fi. Sometime in the next few months, the airlines will phase out their remaining Boeing 747 widebodies—about a year ahead of schedule—and as the deadline for this milestone approaches, each airline is angling for the honor of claiming they’ll be the one to fly the last trip for this iconic jetliner operated by a U.S. airline.

United would only tell Traveler that the final flight will occur sometime in the fourth quarter, possibly in late October. It currently has 14 747s in its fleet, flying on routes like San Francisco to Beijing and Seoul. Delta is also expected to wind down its 747 schedule later in 2017, with flights from Japan to Hawaii expected to be particularly popular with aviation buffs; the last 747 flights on Delta are also likely to be from Detroit to Tokyo or Seoul. Other international airlines are still flying the classic jetliner—there are 500 still in service, out of 1,500 built, according to Boeing—but those airlines, too, are expected to send the jets to the junkyard in the near future.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/19/news/companies/the-last-747-jumbo-jetliner/index.html

Is it the end of the line for the Boeing 747 as a commercial passenger plane?

It sure looks that way for the original jumbo jetliner. Once the largest passenger plane on Earth, the 747 has defined the company more than any other.

Boeing (BA) earlier this month flew a 747-8 Intercontinental back to the company's base in Washington state from a paint shop in Portland. It was wearing the colors of Korean Air Lines and it is extremely likely that it is the last passenger 747 to ever be built.

The airliner, which extends 250-feet and 2-inches long, will be delivered to Korean Air Lines in the coming weeks.

Boeing doesn't expect the jumbo jet to make a big comeback. As part of its 20 year forecast, released annually, Boeing said there's no appreciable demand left for building new passenger 747s or for the rival Airbus A380, the world's largest passenger plane.

Instead, it believes airlines will continue to prefer big twin-engine aircraft like its Boeing 777X or Airbus A350. Those smaller planes can now fly just as far as the huge jumbo jets while using less fuel. They also have fewer seats, which makes it easier for airlines to book them up.

"Frankly we really don't see much demand for really big airplanes," said Randy Tinseth, Boeing vice president of marketing in June. "There will just be a handful moving forward. Things we do for VIPs, things we do for the president, military operations, but we don't see a significant demand for passenger 747-8s or A380s."

Korean says it has no plans to buy any more passenger 747-8s or A380s from either Boeing or Airbus. It currently operates both.

The passenger version of the 747-8 first debuted in 2011 and was ordered by only a few airlines, including Korean, Lufthansa and Air China. The plane can seat up to 467 passengers and can fly as far as 8,000 nautical miles.

According to Boeing's official order book, there are still two 747-8 passenger planes left to deliver. One is the final order for Korean Airlines and the other for an unidentified head of state.

Boeing's iconic 747 will likely be built for at least a few more years to come, but with the exception of Air Force One or other VIP and military aircraft, all the jumbo jets that come off of its assembly line in Everett, Wash. will be dedicated freighter aircraft for carriers like UPS.

"Going forward, sales of the airplane will be closely tied to the cargo market," said Tinseth. "Our work continues to secure additional 747-8 Freighter orders."

Airbus (EADSF), too, is having trouble selling its double-decker A380. It's scaling back output, and in June, it unveiled a package of improvements to kickstart demand for the 575-passenger jet.

By the end of 2017, United (UAL) and Delta (DAL) will have retired their last 747-400s, the generation that preceded the 747-8.

No U.S. passenger airlines have purchased the 747-8. It will be the first time since the jet started flying with Pan American Airways, in January 1970, that the U.S. fleet has been without a 747 passenger plane on regularly scheduled service.

An iconic aircraft will soon be disappearing from the skies. There will no doubt be a huge demand from aviation enthusiasts to be on the final flights of various airlines' 747s. Pretty soon GAF's favourite image will become obsolete.

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FrankCanada97

Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
I'm going to be sad to see it go. It's one those things that's instantly recognizable by anyone. IMO no other aircraft looks as elegant as a 747. Nowadays all jetliners look pretty samey with only two engines. It's the same feeling as when the tri-jets of old became obsolete.
 

Mimosa97

Member
I will never forget the first time I borded a 747 at age 5 from Paris to NYC on my first trip to the US. I already loved planes and I was blown away by its sheer size. I remember running around the aisles and my mom having a hard time restraining me to my seat.

747 was really ahead of its time. A marvel of engineering. I still can't believe its first flight happened in 1969. The year we landed on the moon! Just crazy when you think about it.
 

JettDash

Junior Member
Just realized I've never been on a 747, at least that I can remember. I think the biggest plane I've been on is a 777.
 

FrankCanada97

Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
Is there any way to filter Canadian flights by aircraft? I've never been on a 747...

KLM uses the 747 from Amsterdam to Toronto. Air France before they retired the fleet, flew it on their Paris-Montreal route. I think British Airways sometimes uses it from London-Toronto.
 

Dazzler

Member
Is there any way to filter Canadian flights by aircraft? I've never been on a 747...

Still a couple of them flying regularly into YVR

British Airways, Eva Air, and China Eastern have all flown 747s into YVR this year

Eva has switched to a 777, and China Eastern to an A350

British Airways is using an A380 for the summer, but will switch back to a 747 in the fall
 

boingball

Member
My memorable 747 experiences:

Had a flight with PanAm from JFK to Heathrow on an original 747 back in 1990, one of the last PanAm flights.

Got to sit on the upper deck in business class seats on a BA flight from Cape Town to Heathrow in 1993 (it was economy class though, they repurposed the business class for economy on that flight). The only time I was on an upper deck.

And a flight with PIA from Frankfurt via Paris to JFK (which already had Karachi-Cairo-Rome before) in 1988 was memorable because of the Cockroaches. And the stewardess only laughed when one passenger pointed it out.

I haven't been on a 747 in this millennium.
 

NekoFever

Member
I thought that 747s weren't as widespread as they used to be but thought it was my imagination. I remember flying to the US every year as a kid and it was always a 747, but I don't think I've been on one since the 90s. Always seems to be 777s now, even on much longer flights. A shame because the 747 is one hell of a machine.

Are there really people that will want this?
Yes, there are a lot of plane enthusiasts and airlines make that kind of thing into an experience. Champagne, mementos, unusual flights, etc. When they were retiring Concorde they were getting special permission to fly low over landmarks and things.
 
Having moved between the NZ and UK several times I've been on so many from so many airlines, more than I can remember probably. Even asked to see the cockpit once (early 90s), climbing those stairs and walking through first class was amazing.

I was so gutted when Air New Zealand retired them but you can't keep flying them forever.
 

Flux

Member
What's the next or new model? I've only ever flow on 747 or dinky prop planes for short domestic flights.

Good to see the airplane into the sunset jpeg is present.
 

JettDash

Junior Member
What's the next or new model? I've only ever flow on 747 or dinky prop planes for short domestic flights.

Good to see the airplane into the sunset jpeg is present.

Boeing has no plans to replace the 747.

Airlines would rather have long range twin engine planes like the 777.
 

FrankCanada97

Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
What's the next or new model? I've only ever flow on 747 or dinky prop planes for short domestic flights.

Good to see the airplane into the sunset jpeg is present.

The 747-8 is still in production, but sales for the passenger version have ground to a halt. Boeing's 777 have largely replaced the 747 in most airlines.
 

SRG01

Member
Still a couple of them flying regularly into YVR

British Airways, Eva Air, and China Eastern have all flown 747s into YVR this year

Eva has switched to a 777, and China Eastern to an A350

British Airways is using an A380 for the summer, but will switch back to a 747 in the fall

Time for a trip to London, I think! :D
 

Lamel

Banned
Legendary airplane. Sad to see it go.

I will never forget the first time I borded a 747 at age 5 from Paris to NYC on my first trip to the US. I already loved planes and I was blown away by its sheer size. I remember running around the aisles and my mom having a hard time restraining me to my seat.

747 was really ahead of its time. A marvel of engineering. I still can't believe its first flight happened in 1969. The year we landed on the moon! Just crazy when you think about it.

Yup, first time I flew in one was at 5 years old. Sat in the upper level. Was glorious.
 

HariKari

Member
777 is just too good of a plane. The 747 comes from an era when you needed 4 engines to do international routes and fly over water, now you only need two. Lower costs is the name of the game and the 747, even with the newest version, doesn't quite stack up.

What a shame.
 
These planes are probably going to be rebuilt as cargo planes, instead of being sent to the junkyard, as the first article says.
 

Costa Kid

Member
It's sad that I'll never be on one. I have only ever been on domestic European flights which are usually A320's or A330's on the airlines I normally use.
 

ascii42

Member
Crazy it has been in service for 47 years.

Military planes get even crazier. B-52's were built from 1952-1962, and they are still used, with projected retirement in the 2040s. The C-130 has been in continuous production since the 1950s.
 

Parch

Member
Half empty when I took one across Canada, so I can see why smaller has become the preference for passenger flights. It's a real fuel hog too.
The 747 just isn't economically sensible anymore except for cargo.
 

rrs

Member
I wonder if the newer 747s are as easy to convert to cargo plane as the original ones were, expecting supersonic flight to be norm in the 80's
 

MMarston

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I'm almost certain the last 747 I was on was back in 2004? Also remember being pretty stoked as a kid but nowadays, I could see why it's a little too excessive.
 
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