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Epic poops on the Revolution Controler
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norinrad21
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Vashu said:
The last great FF game was FF6
i think this miyamoto quote sums up the way i feel about much of what's been said in the video:
from wired:
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,67854,00.html
also here's what cliffy b had to say about revolution's controller, from next gen:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1084&Itemid=35
from wired:
http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,67854,00.html
also here's what cliffy b had to say about revolution's controller, from next gen:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1084&Itemid=35
Mark Rein is a PC developer trying to find his way into the console business. The fact that so many PC developers entered the console business is the worst thing that came with the Xbox. Before Xbox there we're no talks about the engine that a game uses, everything that we cared about was the gameplay. Now out of the sudden there are more discussions about the engine that a game uses rather then commenting its gameplay. That's what killed the PC industry and I'm afraid that in the long term will be the thing that will seriously harm the console industry.
P.S. Mark, It's time you understand that when you're making a game you're not making a CG motion picture like Shrek, you're making a f*cking GAME! There's difference. Gaming is not all about graphics. Lighten up!
P.S. Mark, It's time you understand that when you're making a game you're not making a CG motion picture like Shrek, you're making a f*cking GAME! There's difference. Gaming is not all about graphics. Lighten up!
element said:when there was more gameplay then 'watch intro movie, watch spell effect, level up, watch bigger spell effect, watch another movie, level up, water even bigger spell effect, watch ending' SWEET!!!
FFT and Vagrant Story were awesome though
Yeah, but the movies are so goddamned good.
I'm fully aware that FFX was far more interactively unfolding movie/story than it was a "game," but I think interactive movie-ish games definitely have their place. Just like pre-rendered movies like Toy Story are always the most technically detailed and immersive because they have no interactivity, the hardly-interactive but also jaw-droppingly gorgeous games will always be the most epic story-based experiences for their time as long as developers keep making them. It's a function of the amount of control that you have over the player's experience, and the more control you have, the greater your ability to tell a fleshed-out story. As such, story-driven, less-interactive games will always have their place. (But they aren't going to take everything over, like the "movie and videogame merging" soapboxers might claim)
And unless the story and its presentation suck, you can't really knock a game like that for what it is.
But gamers who claim that FF7-FFX weren't more about developing a story than offering a competitively interactive gaming experience have a stick up their ass.
Just to play devils advocate here ( and give the guy some slack )
Did anybody think that Mark Rein was maybe a little under pressure in that meeting, he was not acting like a person who felt secure at that moment, but more like a person who was desperate to get his point accepted.
Did anybody think that Mark Rein was maybe a little under pressure in that meeting, he was not acting like a person who felt secure at that moment, but more like a person who was desperate to get his point accepted.
psycho_snake
I went to WAGs boutique and all I got was a sniff
I cant see why anyone needs to bash the Rev controller. Its not going to hurt anyone, all it will do is make gaming better. If Nintendo make a normal controller along with the Rev controller, how exactly can anyone be angry?
Ganondorf>Link
Member
Xellotah said:
The point that he gets money hats from MS?
Xellotah said:
I lol'd at this quote. I don't do that often.
Just a little of good ol' fashioned propositional logic for you, but here:
To declare an item "the pinnacle" of the set containing it, is to call it the best in whatever quality you're discussing. To determine the best item in a particular set, the operation you must perform is to compare each item to every other item.
What's so funny is that your statement made at least twice as many comparisons as the parent. (Since your post implies consideration of the entire series--including the first 5 FF's--while the quoted message only considered those after them).
The logical conclusion is that you have committed the very act you were declaring "unfair," and all in a single sentence.
Fucking hysterical.
Juice said:
:lol
Except If had deemed FF1 say to be inferior to FF6 ( which I must do since FF6 is the pinnacle), then all have to do is compare the later FFs to FF1, and assuming that the later FFs are inferior to FF1 then I don't have to bring FF6 into equation, hence no comparision unfair or otherwise to FF6.
Xellotah said:
I'll bite.
For clarity, your statements (hypothetically of course):
(assumption) p: FF6 is the pinnacle of all FF games
q: FF1 is inferior to FF6
r: FF1 is superior to FF2,FF3,FF4,FF5,FF6,FF7,FF8,FF9,FF10 (and I'll skip 11/12)
Why this doesn't solve the original problem:
While removing FF6 from the equation is helpful, your example doesn't quite do it, because FF1 is not necessarily any better than any other FF game in your model, so comparing the others to FF1 says nothing about their status in comparison to FF6.
Say we're just talking normal numbers, and our hypothesis is that 6 is the highest number. We live in a society where comparing anything to the number 6 is "unfair" and should be avoided. So your example would be to compare 6 to an arbitrary number (in this case, 1); since 6 is greater than 1, and every other number is also greater than 1, it doesn't show anything about 6 being the greatest. So it doesn't successfully prove the hypothesis. I think this is kind of a whacky example of what's called "assuming your conclusion."
Just admit, you're a hypocrite who committed the same act you deemed unfair
Mike Works
Member
Unless I'm reading this wrong, that's easily one of the dumbest things I've ever read on the Gaming Forum. What the fuck kind of retarded logic is that. Two can play at this idiotic game!element said:
Then how come when someone produces a FPS it doesn't make money? Soldier of Fortune: Gold Edition, Silent Scope 3, ShellShock: Nam '67 among others. This is a business. And I am a moron.
PLEASE tell me I'm misconstruing what you typed oxygen.
Juice said:I'll bite.
For clarity, your statements (hypothetically of course):
(assumption) p: FF6 is the pinnacle of all FF games
q: FF1 is inferior to FF6
r: FF1 is superior to FF2,FF3,FF4,FF5,FF6,FF7,FF8,FF9,FF10 (and I'll skip 11/12)
Why this doesn't solve the original problem:
While removing FF6 from the equation is helpful, your example doesn't quite do it, because FF1 is not necessarily any better than any other FF game in your model, so comparing the others to FF1 says nothing about their status in comparison to FF6.
Say we're just talking normal numbers, and our hypothesis is that 6 is the highest number. We live in a society where comparing anything to the number 6 is "unfair" and should be avoided. So your example would be to compare 6 to an arbitrary number (in this case, 1); since 6 is greater than 1, and every other number is also greater than 1, it doesn't show anything about 6 being the greatest. So it doesn't successfully prove the hypothesis. I think this is kind of a whacky example of what's called "assuming your conclusion."
Just admit, you're a hypocrite who committed the same act you deemed unfair
*sigh* My propositional logic sucks anyway
... The original statement was:
its unfair to compare 7+ to 6 which is the pinnacle. i.e I consider 6 > 7+
Your statement:
In order to to deem 6 > 7+, i would need to compare 6 to 7+
I said no ... I could compare 6 to 1 which will be fair, before comparing 1 to 7 which is also fair. thereby bypassing the wholy unfair act of comparing 6 to 7+.
Proposition logic doesn't take into account of time, so if Im comparing 1 to 7 then I'm also comparing 1 to 6 and hence to 7+ as well. In which case you have proven me a hypocrite ( grrr )
but but.... thankfully the world works in a time based manner ( or at least I think it does
) And having compared 7+ to 1, I've now deemed 1 to be better, so no need to do the unfair act of comparing 7+ to 6. Which means *whoopeee*, I'm no hypocrite.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
The man is comedy gold. But I admire his outspoken-ness.
DemonCleaner
Member
monchi-kun said:
guess that says much about what we can expect gameplay-wise from gow
HeadsUpSevenUp
Member
Back on topic, THAT guy is an ASS!
*calls Reggie to kick his ass and take his name*
/nbot
*calls Reggie to kick his ass and take his name*
/nbot
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
I made this compilation of my favourite bits from the panel.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=128229
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/news/news_story.php?id=128229
boutrosinit said:
"Nintendo knows it's gonna make great games, but wait. Raise your hands if you own a Gamecube. Keep em up if you own either an Xbox of Playstation 3 [he probably meant 2]."
He was shocked when a large part of the auditorium lowered their hands
"Really? All those people who lowered their hands don't own a PlayStation or Xbox? Wait! Raise your hands if you ONLY own a Gamecube and no other game console."
I know this is an opinion piece, but the fact that you left out that what appeared to be a majority of the audience raised their hands when he asked if they had a Gamecube makes your editorial seem incredibly biased. Really, what does it matter if someone (Most likely the vast majority of the audience) owns more than one console? He said that going by that poll, they only have 10% of the audience. To me, that makes absolutely no sense at all.
..pakbeka..
Member
I thought he was gay tooPezRadar said:
The Bookerman
Member
boutrosinit said:
:lol Right.... Graphics are everything huh?
Man this guy's just babbling shit.
Wreckless is the best exemple: top notch graphics(highly praised) with Real crappy gameplay. It didn't sell millions, IIRC.
And I really wonder how many people in that audience would've said that the Xbox or PS2 was their first system. Again, this is an audience that would take time out of their day to watch a discussion about videogame systems. They're hardcore, and probably have been for years. And besides that, it seemed that the majority of them were younger than 30. Chances are, most people in that age bracket have owned a game system before this generation. It's just common sense. Is he really going to give Xbox all this credit for pulling in the PC crowd just because it's not a "Console"? It's still a game system buddy.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
DemonCleaner said:guess that says much about what we can expect gameplay-wise from gow
Worry not. Mark Rein and Cliffy B are very different people.
boutrosinit
Street Fighter IV World Champion
Kieyran said:
Did I? shit. I did write that in actually. Excuse me a moment while I ammend...
dlobro1080
Member
I think he's right -- most people who own a Gamecube own another system. The point is that in this generation, Gamecube was not home to the biggest games (exception being RE4...how many copies has that sold anyway?). But then again, as we know with Revolution, Nintendo doesn't see themselves as competing with Sony and MS. So once again, for hardcore gamers, Revolution probably will be sitting beside a PS3 or 360, but the difference this time is Nintendo hopes to get people who would never consider buying a console in the first place to get a Rev.
Bluemercury
Member
SubZero Scarran said:
:lol
Backed up indeed........... i mean he clearly played with the controller.......what an ass:lol
Warm Machine
Member
The statement about no one ever talking about the engine a game was powered by before PC devs got into consoles is absolute crap. Since the advent of 3d gaming there has been discussion about the engine. From what lobotomy was doing on the Saturn to the "The Tomb Raider Engine" to the "Sega Rally Engine" to the "VF engine" The "Nights Engine" there was always talk about the technology behind the games.
And of course as things progress in the industry having prebuilt engines becomes more important. Renderware became popular because the PS2 was a nightmare in the beginning and cross platform ports became almost mandatory to a business. No one should have to always build the typewriter before writing the novel.
And of course as things progress in the industry having prebuilt engines becomes more important. Renderware became popular because the PS2 was a nightmare in the beginning and cross platform ports became almost mandatory to a business. No one should have to always build the typewriter before writing the novel.
I couldn't watch the whole video for some reason, but yeah he just comes off like a retard. I mean the whole "if you closed your eyes would the game be any fun?" comment is so dumb. Yes video games is a visual medium, but it is also an INTERACTIVE!! medium. Its also an audible medium, it's even (becoming somewhat) of a literary medium! it's a bunch of different mediums wrapped up into one! Would you have as much fun playing a game without a controller? With no sound whatsoever? Most likely no. A video game isn't a screen saver, its the sum of a bunch of unique parts that are all integral to the immersion of the user. All aspects are equal.
Watching him talk I couldn't help but think he's a big fan of the spikeTV video game awards show.
P.S. Don't get me wrong a fun game doesn't need to excel at all these parts, I'm not that big of a nazi.
Watching him talk I couldn't help but think he's a big fan of the spikeTV video game awards show.
P.S. Don't get me wrong a fun game doesn't need to excel at all these parts, I'm not that big of a nazi.
PhoenixDark
Banned
nine words said:
He's a terrorist.
KingJ2002
Member
monchi-kun said:
comments like this doesnt make him look good.
first... next gen wont be about the graphics... maybe for the first 2-3 years... after that... i swear no one would give a flying 747 fuck about the graphics cause games will start to look the same. So different art styles and different ways to deliver games visually will come into play.
As for the controller being a gimmick... very close minded.
but then again... it's up to developers to make the controller more than a gimmick.
monchi-kun
Member
i wonder where EPIC will be once we've reached the pinnacle of photorealism....what then?