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Epic's Tim Sweeney: Lifelike Graphics Will Happen During Our Lifetimes
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This is a tech guy talking about tech. You're jumping to conclusions.
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dragonelite
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Looks like i found the presentation
http://www.gamespot.com/unreal-1990/videos/tim-sweeney-dice-2012-session-6350144/?hd=1
http://www.gamespot.com/unreal-1990/videos/tim-sweeney-dice-2012-session-6350144/?hd=1
Good find. Watching now...
That's not just about graphics though. I'm sure that if current games had enemies that reacted frightened and tried to hide from you. Or if enemies would beg you for their life or went into shock because of bullet wounds you had inflicted hardly anyone would finish the game.
I'm sure they can do it on current technology, but who would play it?
At the moment games aren't much more then a shooting gallery. If enemies died more realisticly and acted in a more realistic fashion most people would be puking after 5 minutes of uncharted.
Videogames aren't just about being games in a traditional sense. People also like experiencing what they can't in real life. It's fun to do things that would be dangerous in real life for instance and not being in actual danger. Or visiting a period in the past that looks foto realistic. We might technically not be able to go back in time. But we could simulate it.
And considering that we experience most of life and it's experiences through our eyesight the visuals of an experience are very important to how our brain interprets it.
Sentenza
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Actually it's just a matter of time.
Anticitizen One
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Lifelike graphics will be here within the next 10 years.
dragonelite
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ooh shit someone placed the wrong screeny at the third order that was cryis 2 if im not mistaken.
Blech. More realistic graphics are the last thing I want. How about you developers out there try using your artistic talents to conceive unique visual experiences instead of rehashing the real world in your games.
If I wanted to stare at something that looks lifelike, I can turn my head *away* from the TV.
If I wanted to stare at something that looks lifelike, I can turn my head *away* from the TV.
Cheesecakebobby
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We should all commit suicide just to prove him wrong.
Creepy.
shadyspace
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This is basically what I was getting at. I agree that realistic graphics do not equal realistic situations. I do think it's something worth giving some thought to.
It's kind of sad to think that as computing power increases, we'll probably still be doing the same stuff in games that we have all along, just with prettier graphics. More lifelike graphics aren't a bad thing, but speaking as someone whose first game console was the Telstar Arcade, I think that the graphics we've got today are already pretty damn realistic.
I'm more interested in seeing big advances in AI - I'd love to play a game where the plot isn't preset, but evolves as the NPC's interact with one another and the player character, with dynamically-generated dialogue and speech recognition that would enable you to carry on real conversations. I'd rather play a game like that, set in a huge, persistent world, with 2012-level graphics, than a Modern Warfare game with graphics that are indistinguishable from movie footage. That's how I'd ideally like to see developers harness the added computing power as systems become more powerful, though I know I'm probably in the minority on that.
I'm more interested in seeing big advances in AI - I'd love to play a game where the plot isn't preset, but evolves as the NPC's interact with one another and the player character, with dynamically-generated dialogue and speech recognition that would enable you to carry on real conversations. I'd rather play a game like that, set in a huge, persistent world, with 2012-level graphics, than a Modern Warfare game with graphics that are indistinguishable from movie footage. That's how I'd ideally like to see developers harness the added computing power as systems become more powerful, though I know I'm probably in the minority on that.
The key point here is that they are killing real people, and they know that. Yeah if you created a scenario where someone was told they are operating a real drone and they were shooting real people (if the graphics were 100% real) then yeah they would probably experience the same thing real drone operators do. That's a very specific use case though. We don't know what control interfaces will be like in the future. We don't know if you will just plug your brain in like The Matrix or if we will be using motion technology with high def TV's still.
Cheesecakebobby
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As awesome as that would be, it is practically unthinkable based on our current understanding of science... still, we might be closer in a few thousand years! Though some ultra-immersive technologies such as contact lenses with built in LEDs aren't beyond the realms of possibility in the near future.
CrunchyFrog
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This. There need to be significant improvements not just to textures and resolution but als to physics, animation, environment interactivity, and AI simulation before we start to crawl back out of the valley.
XiaNaphryz
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This wasn't really real-time. The display hardware at the time couldn't even display the whole frame, they ended up taking long-exposure Polaroids off the screen and using that to transfer to film to show the animation.1972
This isn't close to real-time either.2011
I think you'd need to use low power ultrafine lasers to get that done, anything like an LED would just wind up like a blurry mess and trying to focus on it would cause all sorts of health problems.
I think there's actually a lot of really interesting things in regard to Kinect style tech that could be used to seriously enhance our experience of playing games. Already we have things like head and eye-tracking which can provide an increased level of immersion by managing camera position and focal point. It's not just about visual features either, imagine a voluptuous female character on screen that knows when you're staring at her chest, or when you're looking off-screen talking to someone else ignoring her. Imagine an animation system that tracks your head so characters that are speaking to you are generating the right amount of eye contact with you even while you move around the room. Let's take it further though, so much of our communication is nonverbal and nonspecific, various facial expressions for example are universal across the entire species and others are consistent within a culture. To read and react to these doesn't require the same level of technological expertise as it would to carry on a conversation about something so mundane even as the weather.
Not to rain on the AI parade, but if you watch the presentation, he says that improved AI isn't something we are all that close to.
He described the current problems in terms of the ones we understand, and therefore can fix, and the ones we don't understand and will be the most difficult. AI and realistic animation was one he described that we don't understand yet.
He described the current problems in terms of the ones we understand, and therefore can fix, and the ones we don't understand and will be the most difficult. AI and realistic animation was one he described that we don't understand yet.
Vulcano's assistant
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I was deciding on whether to post real time stuff or pre-rendered but I decided to post those because they were the same size; don't be so harsh on me. That was a tongue in cheek post, all I wanted was to joke about the matrix.This wasn't really real-time. The display hardware at the time couldn't even display the whole frame, they ended up taking long-exposure Polaroids off the screen and using that to transfer to film to show the animation.
This isn't close to real-time either.
Had to shut it down when he said Samaritan and a Crysis 2 screen popped up. Please tell me that he corrects that I not dare to watch.
I used to believe this would happen. But then the Wii came out. We won't see the jumps like we used to and console manufacturers will be less likely to sell their systems at a loss.
The events of this generation have effectively slowed down tech advancement in gaming to a large degree. The cycles are now longer and the jumps will now be smaller.
The events of this generation have effectively slowed down tech advancement in gaming to a large degree. The cycles are now longer and the jumps will now be smaller.
So that WAS Crysis? I was thinking "wow, did Samaritan get a downgrade?"