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ESRB Rumor: Jak and Daxter Collection coming to Vita
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If it was some of the other collections I might have bit, but not for Jak.
Don't what it is, but I heard a lot of good about Jak when I was younger. Watched my cousins and brother play it and it looked pretty good and they seemed to really enjoy it. Got the HD collection last year and I loved it at first. Jak 1 was amazing. But then the travesty that was Jak 2 and to a lesser extent 3 happened. How could they ruin them so badly? Even my cousins and brother who played (and loved) them back in the day thought they were awful and are surprised they ever liked them
Don't what it is, but I heard a lot of good about Jak when I was younger. Watched my cousins and brother play it and it looked pretty good and they seemed to really enjoy it. Got the HD collection last year and I loved it at first. Jak 1 was amazing. But then the travesty that was Jak 2 and to a lesser extent 3 happened. How could they ruin them so badly? Even my cousins and brother who played (and loved) them back in the day thought they were awful and are surprised they ever liked them
Ruud_Luiten
Member
Or fronttouch..
Jak 1 was fantastic, just a fun platformer with an open dynamic and a great sense of place.
Just spending time on Sentinel Beach at night, listening to the soundtrack, is a fond memory of it.
Jak 2 i kinda hated.
Jak 3 looked pretty damn good, but got it in a busy period and never ended up finishing it.
I would love a Jak4 that was going back to the Jak 1 style, without guns and angst, though i know it won't happen.
Just spending time on Sentinel Beach at night, listening to the soundtrack, is a fond memory of it.
Jak 2 i kinda hated.
Jak 3 looked pretty damn good, but got it in a busy period and never ended up finishing it.
I would love a Jak4 that was going back to the Jak 1 style, without guns and angst, though i know it won't happen.
It'd probably be PS3/Vita like Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time. I don't know who Sony would get to make it. Sanzaru really wanted to do Sly, so I don't think tossing Jak to them would go very well. High Impact ... is well, High Impact.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I already have the HD collection and I am not sure if I'll buy it again for Vita though, despite my love for those games, well for 2 and 3 at least, the original was just okay.
Oh yeah, that level was annoying too. I had repressed that memory. (Seeing things from the enemy's perspective was really cool though.) I also vaguely remember a turret sequence that had me pulling my hair out... fuck this game!
Dude, if you managed to beat Jak II without having trouble with the time limits or escort missions then you are a superhuman beast among men, and I salute you.
In case anyone else was wondering, the ESRB ratings for the God of War and Ico/Shadow of the Colossus (there aren't combined Collection listings) do not mention the Vita at all. Guess that means this may well be a proper port rather than just Remote Play support like the other two!
Seriously though, sign me up - I'd love to see the Sly and Ratchet collections on Vita particularly - the platform just seems perfect for platformers.
Seriously though, sign me up - I'd love to see the Sly and Ratchet collections on Vita particularly - the platform just seems perfect for platformers.
buddha0991
Member
Wow this thread turned into Jak 1 VS 2, why am I not surprised. All 3 main games are really good for different reasons!
Would you guys get a Jak and Daxter: Lost Cillection featuring Jak X, Daxter and Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier? Cmon, it wasn't THAT bad, a 6, maybe a 7 if they can fix up some of the issues!
Would you guys get a Jak and Daxter: Lost Cillection featuring Jak X, Daxter and Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier? Cmon, it wasn't THAT bad, a 6, maybe a 7 if they can fix up some of the issues!
Ape Escape 2 + Ape Escape 3 + Million Monkeys + voucher for Ape Escape PS1 Classic
all of my money
Jawmuncher
Member
Never picked it up on ps3 though I meant. Definitely would go for it on vita. Since being portable it'll work better for me.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Yeah, the trilogy as a whole is great for different individual reasons.
I'd definitely buy a Daxter HD. Jak X not so much, and Lost Frontier definitely not. Dark Daxter? Get out.
Oh holy God yes.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Lol, what the hell? "Ignore this man because my opinion is right and his opinion is wrong"?
How the hell is Jak a rip-off of Crash Bandicoot when the games are made by the same developer? How do you rip yourself off? Jak 2 is absolutely horrible. It's a terrible game in every regard. The gameplay is generic, boring and non-rewarding. The world has no life. All you do is drive from point A to point B. It's extremely repetitive. Level design is horrible. Atmosphere is terrible. And to make it worse Jak has become emo. Jak 3 is a tiny bit better but still a below-average game.
Disagreed, as posted above.
The fact that it was a generic N64-era platformer is what made it good. Super Mario 64, Banjo-Kazooie, Donkey Kong 64 and Jak 1 are all similar games. Jak 1 has obviously been inspired by Nintendo, and there's no shame in it. I don't give two craps if it's unique or not. Uniqueness is 100% irrelevant to quality.
Yeah, well said. I have no idea what Naughty Dog were thinking. Why did they go from all that made Jak 1 so great? It's mind-blowing.
Can I use the JaKX costume In all of the games, its the best one.
so... crash bandicoot, because you know all platformers after to be colorful and not dark. They cant be dark , because platformers are for the kids.
so... crash bandicoot, because you know all platformers after to be colorful and not dark. They cant be dark , because platformers are for the kids.
I NEED SCISSORS
Banned
Yessss. Were the PS3 versions sub-HD? I remember some screens looking a bit rough, and the reason given why it wasn't quite up to other HD remaster's quality was because of trouble porting the custom programming language. I wonder if a well done Vita version in native res can achieve a better result. Although judging by how the MGS collection turned out, even sub-qHD PS2 games on Vita look great.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
If you're going to outwardly state "This game is good, this is bad", expect that to be contested, especially on NeoGAF. It's not absolutely horrible. To say it's terrible in every regard is asinine. The gameplay isn't generic, wait generic? Jak & Daxter 1 wasn't UBER generic? Wow, double jump. Jesus, a spin attack! Innovation. Again, I've pointed out my "ripoff" comment was wrong, and explained what I meant. It felt like Naughty Dog doing another Crash game with new characters. And that was it. Collect so many precursor orbs (Wumpa Fruit), smash so many crates, collect so many ancient artifacts called Power Cells (Gems/Crystals). It wasn't Naughty Dog doing anything new or breaking any sort of ground. It's only caveat was that it was open world, and honestly outside of no loading screens, what did that achieve? There was no real exploration, it was just many levels put together without being broken up by virtual walls.
All you do is drive from point A to point B. No... that was the driving missions. There were things after that involving other objectives. It's not repetitive. The missions are highly differentiated and unique. Level design is great and interesting. Atmosphere is fantastic and new. And to make it better, Jak isn't a silent fucking protagonist, as flawed as is character may be.
Honestly, just disagreement all round. No idea what Jak II you played. You seem to have it in for an interesting sequel to a boring ass platformer.
That's great for Sony only platform owners that had never played those game, but to anyone with an N64 or generally someone that played a lot of platformers, Jak 1 was same old, same old. I liked Jak II back in the day because it was sort of like GTA, but that was only the overworld. The internal/external mission and levels painted a very interesting world, and had some great set-pieces.
Naughty Dog peaks with the second game of their trilogy, you know it to be true.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
A late port of a collection of ports? No thanks.
StevePharma
Member
golduck342
Member
Nice, was holding out on the ps3 version in hopes of a vita one, but I got it for $15 on sale.
I will gladly triple dip for Jak and Daxter alone. Jak 2 and 3 are a bonus. I wouldn't pass up on these as they'd make perfect fits on vita, especially of they're 60fps! If the price is $15-20, it's a definite buy
I will gladly triple dip for Jak and Daxter alone. Jak 2 and 3 are a bonus. I wouldn't pass up on these as they'd make perfect fits on vita, especially of they're 60fps! If the price is $15-20, it's a definite buy
I'm kind of worried on this point. MGS2 rarely kept up 60 fps on the Vita except for small indoor areas even though it was running at sub-native resolution, and the Jak games were probably pushing the PS2 even harder than MGS2 (Andy Gavin wrote his own programming language to get the most out of the PS2 hardware). This also seems like a project that would be dumped off onto a less capable team.
MrMephistoX
Member
All the PS2 collections should be made to work on Vita or PS4 by launch. I do wonder though if these are actually running off an emulator shell like the GTA games and God Hand or coded to PS3. It would really suck to rebuy classics again but Sony has a good track record of at least getting old digital releases working on new hardware.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
Pft. Drop the act. I never claimed that my opinion was almighty. You did. The response you gave was ridiculous. In any case;
The game is indeed horrible, and I briefly stated why. It is, in fact, terrible in every regard. I simply cannot think of a single way the game is good. Gameplay? No, it's extremely boring, non-rewarding and repetitive. Controls? No, they're inaccurate. Graphics? No, they're generic, soulless and boring. Music? What music? Atmosphere? It's beyond legendarily bad -- in fact, there's hardly any atmosphere at all. The game is just soulless. Story? It's as if it was written by a twelve year old. Characters? Horrible. Level design? Ridiculously bad. The town is a mess and the brief levels and so stupidly designed that it make you wonder if they even had a level designer.
Was Jak 1 generic? Sure. Was Jak 1 innovative? Not really. Does anyone give a damn except you? Nope. I could make a game that's all about eating shit. No one has ever made a game like that. It'd be incredibly innovate. Does that make it a good game? Meanwhile, I could make a fantastic fantasy game, with photo-realistic graphics, an incredibly in-depth mature non-linear story-line, a huge world filled with content and spot-on gameplay that introduces new gameplay moments every ten minutes. Is it innovative? Not really, it'd be like most fantasy games except it would be of extremely high quality. Case in point? Innovation is irrelevant to quality.
And claiming that Jak 2 is like GTA is just ridiculous as well. And to make matters worse, that's one of your only arguments for the game. Then you have some "attacks" (not quite insults) like "you know that Jak 2 is best, DON'T YOU" and "no idea what Jak 2 you played". Drop the act. Don't make yourself look silly. There's only one game called Jak 2; there's no reason to act like a jerk.
And in that, I rest my case.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I would like to see more and more HD remasters hit PS Vita. They should run quite well, considerably lower resolution (no need to aim for 720p/1080p), no need for S3D, etc... I would like ICO and SotC remastered collection to be ported too. Remote play has improved a lot and will improve again, but it is not the same thing.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
It was more a casual jokey thing than a "NO. IGNORE THIS MAN". As are the "You know Naughty Dog "2" games are the best" comments. Not actually meant to be taken seriously... but for example, when you start calling the graphics awful when they actually had to use bits of the PS2 (PS1 processor chip) they weren't really supposed to acheive the visuals, it seems you're just being hyperbolic. The music is good in a subtle way, it's ambient more than orchestral, as seen in this particular track.
I'd love you to back your arguments up a little more past "The graphics are awful, there's no atmosphere, there's no this, no that, it all sucks etc." Maybe I'd be a little more inclined to see your point if you weren't just listing faults without any further explanation. Your argument certainly isn't "spot-on" as you rather egotistically attest, it instead comes off as an aimless attack. When you get into analogies about making games concerning the consumption of shit, you know your argument/tirade's lost a little steam. I'm not coming off as the one making myself look silly.
I'm not acting like a jerk at all, you actually seem like you could use a little calming down. I'm arguing a point, which is why forums exist. For debate and discussion. I'm certainly not the only one in the thread who likes Jak 2 better than 1, or hell, the only one who likes all three games equally.
LonelyGreyWolf
Banned
What the hell is this? I made a long post with spot-on arguments and you don't even bother to argue against me. It's like I'm fighting a little dog who just barks and barks. You're even incapable of reading, for I never even said that the graphics were awful. You're just making stuff up along because you don't have any arguments. You know that you've lost.
This is pathetic. We're done here. Why do I even waste my time arguing with people who can't even do a proper argumentation. You're supposed to post arguments, not talk about how you act. The last straw is when you say that I don't do any further explanation. My mind is blown. I don't know if you're trying to be funny, maybe even ironic against yourself, or if you're actually being serious. No matter which one, we're most certainly done here.
EDIT: Oh, and you claim to be "arguing a point" while I don't, which is almost as ironic, considering you post no arguments whereas I made a long wall of text posting more arguments than you can count to on three hands.
They're hard coded to the PS3. Perhaps a shortsighted solution ...
I just started on Jak 3 on the PS3 version, and if these get sold individually on PSN I'll probably trade in the PS3 version and just buy the first game for Vita. After reliving the hell that is the Jak sequels (like the story, but the game's themselves are annoying) I can do with just having Jak 1 available any time on the go.
GhostOfLawlight
Banned
Why now? I already beat all 3 games on the PS3.
buddha0991
Member
Dark Daxter was really stupid but he was hardly in the game. I feel people are a little too hard on the game. Sure it's nowhere near as good as Jak 1/2/3 or Daxter even, but it was a fun little platformer, hampered by control issues. I think I enjoyed dog fighting way more than I should...
Dog fighting takes too much of the game. That last battle against Skyheed was too long.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Give me Ratchet on my Vita or give me death.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
There is literally nothing to argue with. I don't know how this qualifies as a proper argument. Example;
An argument is a point backed up by further explanation. Here you're making absolute statements without any examples.LonelyGreyWolf said:
I've never found the controls to be inaccurate. How are they inaccurate, for example? Did you have a battered old Dualshock? This just seems like clutching at straws. I've always found the controls to be tight and responsive, no less than any other game. The graphics were fantastic for their time, and as I've said, Naughty Dog had to push the PS2 to its very limits to even get it to that level. The result is, for 2004, a bustling, sprawling city that does indeed have it's own, definite atmosphere. It's dystopian, so it's not particularly sophisticated or unique, but it's definitely there, and becomes more evident as you leave the city.
Case in point; Haven Forest/Mountain.
I don't know how anybody can class this as "soulless" or as having "generic" graphics. For the time, it was stunning, and I imagine even moreso in the HD re-release.
I've already posted a track from the game where the music really shines as ambient, rather than orchestrated or bombastic. The story is your typical time travel/Orwellian government thing, but it's done with Naughty Dog's own spin, which is pretty good. Characters?! HORRIBLE?
"One more comment like that LonelyGreyWolf, and you'll be RAAWWWWK, counting with your toes!"
Name me one PS2 game outside maybe the Ratchet & Clank series that had this level of humour? Or a platformer that has an attempt at such a narrative that isn't a princess being captured, or an equivalent? The dialogue certainly, was very well written (in terms of video game standards), and beat hands down Jak 1's "Go here and collect X power cells" writing.
"The level design is so bad you wonder if they even had a level designer"
This is just a Brick "Well you shop at the Toilet Store!" level remark. Really man? For a start you've got the pretty big Haven City. So in a usual open world game, that'd be it. That would be the game. But no, you also have many internal and external environments like the aforementioned mountain and forest areas, the sewers, the industrial areas, the towering Palace of the Baron, the ancient Tomb of Mar.
I don't know whether we're done or not, just wanted to make a genuine argument since you seem to think I'll be satisfied with "The graphics are crap cos I said" retorts.
The fact you think a wall of text is a convincing argument says a hell of a lot. Quality, not quantity. I'm actually having trouble comprehending your posts, since here you say you don't claim to be making an argument, but then you say you make an excellent argument...? But since you're a fan of absolutist statements with zero further explanation, I'll leave you with one word as to why you're wrong about this game; Hoverboard, bitch. Though I suppose that's two words.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
No bad blood. Just defending what is probably my 3rd or so favorite game of all time.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
You're entitled to dislike Jak II, but to put Lost Frontier over it? Yikes.
buddha0991
Member
Jak II > Jak and Daxter > Jak 3 > Daxter > Jak and Daxter: The Lost Frontier > Jak X deal with it
Acrylic7
Member
my man