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Eurogamer: Independently confirms source that the PS4.5 is real, referred as PS 4K
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The true 4K test!
The industry itself probably would collapse if we were to do another 8-10X leap. Budgets are bloated enough as it is. The level of fidelity in today's AAA games is more than substantial. I'd much rather developers start targeting things like image quality, better FX (motion blur, Ambient Occlusion), shadow quality, and most importantly- Framerates!
Increremental hardware is the only way to do it.
Mr_Antimatter
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The way I figure it, a mid gen refresh is going to change as little as possible outside the guts of the APU itself. It could take AMD's latest Polaris stuff that is in the same category as it's existing jaguar parts, and pair it to existing 8gigs of GDDR. Now, We do know GDDR5X is a thing that is sampling, but i've no clue if it would be economical here. It would be pin identical to GDD5 though, so R&D costs would be low. Actual production costs though, I dunno. Can't be as cheap as the tried and true gdd5 though.
The Ps5 would be the one to move to HBM2 along side a hopefully, even beefier APU, perhaps one designed more for laptops then tablets. It would be built with 4k and high fps VR in mind.
The Ps5 would be the one to move to HBM2 along side a hopefully, even beefier APU, perhaps one designed more for laptops then tablets. It would be built with 4k and high fps VR in mind.
THE:MILKMAN
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My apologies to Zoetis and Kagari. I shouldn't have gone fishing like that.
Lmao
The issue with this logic is release timing. Process node shrinks are happening this year. Polaris launches this year. Zen launches this year. HBM 2.0 is on tap for early next year, with HBM 1.0 already in Fury X cards.
Either Sony goes all in, or they half ass it, and I really would like to see them commit to the idea entirely.
Obliterator
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Good post Thuway
Kralamoonard
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mugurumakensei
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No they won't be at a disadvantage for framerate. Online multiplayer comes down to 90% network latency which is for the most part outside of the control of anyone. The only way they would be at a disadvantage is if one has frame pacing issues and the other doesn't. Most games generally make sure the frame pacing for multiplayer is solid.
Neuromancer
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Don't apologize. At least this way we'll get a sense of whether Zoetis is actually in a position to know this information.
Mr_Antimatter
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HBM is very pricey though, and would require major changes to the memory controller and other parts of the system. Might as well wait a few years for prices to drop, HBM2 yields to stabilize, and design all the core silicon around using it for the ps5.
Sticking with GDDR5 lets them just worry about the apu, while GDDR5X would at least be able to use the same pin layouts for everything, with a nice bandwitdth boost. I don't think anyone is building cards with it though, as of yet.
THE:MILKMAN
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I don't want to get anyone banned or banned myself plus I thought Zoetis had already been verified.
Isn't the Fury X using HBM 1.0? I don't think HBM 2.0 is in production just yet, but there is a little bit of a history lesson here. GDDR5 before the PS4 released was a pretty expensive and rare commodity with GPU vendors being stingy. The PS4's launch completely turned global production, prices, and mass adoption on its head.
You are absolutely right about yields and pricing stability, but that's why the hope is that Sony launches the machine in 2017 when yields for all three: Zen, Polaris, and HBM 2.0 stabilize.
The other issue is this: the entire industry will transition to HBM. If the PS4K and Xbox Two decide to go with GDDR5X they'll be losing out on savings in the long term. No matter what way you slice it, GDDR is a dinosaur on it's last legs.
Kralamoonard
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He has. There's also slight hints and subsequent inferences from his posts that he works for Guerrilla Games, but no official conformation (obviously).
What massive difference aside from resolution? If there's a difference besides that, it will fracture the userbase, and really, why should consumers pay full price for a new console that is only a half generation update?
Are you suggesting there are no players who reduce resolution on their PCs to get a competative advantage with a solid/higher frame rate?
family_guy
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As a bonus, it'd be nice if they had a better chip that could record 1080p while you're playing.
If you give the freedom to consumers to allow them to switch to any GPU on whim, it will absolutely destroy any hopes of symmetry for performance. Sony + MS are better off releasing closed boxes on fixed intervals. They can atleast control design paramters and performance barriers. If they open up the GPU to be changed, your no welcoming the wild west, and your prediction of "fracturing the userbase" couldn't be more true.
They're fracturing the userbase anyways with this. I don't really see the point of this 'choice' other than making gamers pay full price for a half gen update.
You can do the same on PC though, can't on a console.
Wishmaster92
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This zoetis pls.
Mr_Antimatter
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Hadn't GDDR5 been around in consumer cards since 2008 or so? I remember that the ps4 was only able to use 8 gigs of it because prices had fallen to allow the bump form the previously rumored 4 gigs.
Demanufacture
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You don't NEED to, especially if you already have a powerful PC.
Obliterator
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Dont worry your at no risk for getting banned from that. Zoetis has made big claims. At some point he has to back them up. Its just part of the process
Welfare
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Give him the Piccolo treatment if he doesn't PM you!
platina
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JumPeRJumPzZ
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Finally. This i know stuff and you dont crap gets annoying.
Either have the balls and leak it or stop the teasing and bragging.
This has all got me second-guessing my PC GPU upgrade. I was gonna wait and see what Nvidia does/announces with Pascal this summer and probably get mid-range Pascal (GTX-whatever60).
Man, I'm really gonna have to wait till E3 for all my hardware purchasing decisions this year.
Man, I'm really gonna have to wait till E3 for all my hardware purchasing decisions this year.
Vulcano's assistant
Banned
surely the K means that it is the OCable model
mugurumakensei
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I'm saying it doesn't give them that much of an advantage. Unless the difference in frame rate is > 60fps(33ms difference in framerate related lag), the difference in network lag is going to be greater. If you are playing on a LAN though, the difference would be entirely related to framerate. In which case, there's a competitive advantage there. However, local console play is 90% of the time on the same machine (Are there any LAN capable games these days for consoles?). In that case, you are playing on the same machine so again no disadvantage or advantage.
That is one version would have to be 30 and the other 90+ for framerate to be a meaningful factor. Otherwise, the only way it would be screwing someone over is if there is bad framepacing in one but not the other.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Nice to hear, hopefully a game that looks nice as well. My 4K oled is ready.
generic_username
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Here we go.
bitbydeath
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No they're not, it is no different to how some currently game on 720p vs 1080p.
Everything else remains the same.
Can I walk into a shop and buy the same gane and it runs on both consoles?
If I can there's no fracturing the user base. One set of owners get to play at higher rez, possibly same rez but with higher framerate.
If OTOH this isn't the case then you have a problem.
Demanufacture
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OTOH is a thing?
Dash_Riprock
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Is Sony really gonna wait till E3 to confirm this?
NoctisVsStar
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If it's true of course why would they comment or address rumors? If it's not real then that's the end of it.
Quicker than writing 'on the other hand' if you're posting from a mobile, so yeah.
Although I could have used 'conversely' instead, I guess.
If they want to sell PS4s they will... if not everyone with half a brain will wait for PS4K.
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