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[Mpl90]

*facepalm*

It's H_Prestige. Staring at a rock for three hours is a much better way to spend time than reading his posts.

 

[Captain Smoker]

You really believe that? Especially when the system is not selling much outside of Japan?

Both the DS and Wii had an expanded casual audience, and that improved sales of MK.

67% of 3DS sales are outside of Japan.

It already managed >6.000.000 units and it's going to sell as long as the 3DS is on the market.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

*facepalm*

.

 

[Mpl90]

No it doesn't.

It suggests they're not fanboys of the mindless idiotic type, that will still buy it when it suits them. The Wii had Wii Sports and Zelda. The WiiU has NSMBU, ZombiU and Nintendoland.

While the WiiU's big launch games are good (I actually own a couple of them), they're no Zelda and Wii Sports.

I've observed Sony and Microsoft fanboys going out and buying shit up regardless. Look at how many PS3s sold at launch in the UK. That thing cost a fuckload and had almost literally zero games outside a pretty good shooter, yet it still sold more than the WiiU did.

PS3 sold much better than lots of launches, it should be the best European launch ever ( or second one, after PSP): it's more the demonstration of Sony's strength in the territory coming from the PS2.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

Mario Kart 7 is 4.5 million in just over a year.

Your point....its never going to sell above 12 million let alone 15 million or 20 million. Games with Mario sold so well on the Wii because for the casuals that bought the system that is the only gaming character they know. It will never happen again with the WiiU or 3DS guaranteed.

 

[H_Prestige]

It's H_Prestige. Staring at a rock for three hours is a much better way to spend time than reading his posts.

At least I back up my posts with reasoning. If you have a better explanation for the huge bump in sales MK Wii received, that also takes into account the piss poor sales of Wii U despite having another of those 30 million selling Wii games at launch, I'd be glad to hear it.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Your point....its never going to sell above 12 million let alone 15 million or 20 million. Games with Mario sold so well on the Wii because for the casuals that bought the system that is the only gaming character they know. It will never happen again with the WiiU or 3DS guaranteed.

I would never say never especially for a handheld that has minimum 5 years left on it.

At least I back up my posts with reasoning. If you have a better explanation for the huge bump in sales MK Wii received, that also takes into account the piss poor sales of Wii U despite having another of those 30 million selling Wii games at launch, I'd be glad to hear it.

Reasoning :lol

 

[Tenki]

I don't get all those "I will never buy X" (X being Wii U, PS4, Xbox or whatever).

So you're already thinking of not buying something even without knowing what's coming to it?It makes no sense.

 

[Hedja]

No one knows the WiiU is a new console in the UK (or many other places). I'm serious. It's been 2 months and still no one knows. They need some campaign for it, lots of adverts and not just on TV, making it clear.

Also, I still think calling it the "Wii"U was stupid. The worst possible thing they could've done. They should've known the Wii was just a short-term trend and from that released an entirely fresh console. Not just that, they release so many things for the Wii with "Wii" prefixed to them that it was bound to cause confusion. Didn't they know that their Wii audience wasn't that knowledgeable and up-to-date with video game news?

I'm still a fan of the "Nintendo Stream" name from back in the Cafe days, though it doesn't say much about the GamePad, nor does "WiiU".

 

[metalslimer]

It's not even that I disagree with the idea that a good percentage of the growth of Mario Kart and NSMB sales as well came from the expanded audience, but I think it's extremely foolish to think those brands didn't grow at all from that.

 

[Satchel]

PS3 sold much better than lots of launches, it should be the best European launch ever ( or second one, after PSP): it's more the demonstration of Sony's strength in the territory coming from the PS2.

The point was made that Nintendo fanboys were expected to buy it in droves.

My suggestion was that Nintendo fanboys aren't so completely mindless that they'll buy something regardless. Since the wiiU is slightly more expensive than it should be, and doesn't have a great launch lineup, the "fanboys" won't just buy it up in droves.

Unlike the PS3, which despite a price that borders on criminal, and one of the worst launch line ups in history, still sold a shitload. That doesn't tell me there's more Sony fanboys, it tells me the ones that exist are idiots.

 

[farnham]

At least I back up my posts with reasoning. If you have a better explanation for the huge bump in sales MK Wii received, that also takes into account the piss poor sales of Wii U despite having another of those 30 million selling Wii games at launch, I'd be glad to hear it.

nsmbwiiu is going to sell until the day nintendo stops making wiius.. i still remember the posts that said nsmbwii will not pass modern warfare 2

 

[Captain Smoker]

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[Interceptor]

Calling MArio Kart a driving app.. so that´s how we describe gaming today. Just say it again. Slowly.


Driving. App.


Jesus.

 

[JDSN]

Hahahaha @ Driving app, geez.

 

[Tenki]

Oh, and Mario Kart 7 was at 5.24 million sales as of March 2012. Now it should be around what, 7 million? 8?

 

[Ruud_Luiten]

I don't get all those "I will never buy X" (X being Wii U, PS4, Xbox or whatever).

So you're already thinking of not buying something even without knowing what's coming to it?It makes no sense.

Yes, competing devices bring me more pleasure at a much lower price. Buying a WiiU won't make any sense in my household

 

[Eideka]

Not surprising in the least, and this is a proof that the market is not ready to accept anything.

 

[BlackJace]

The narrative being spun by petulant "core" manchildren that the Wii U's struggles are Nintendo's "punishment" for the Wii's success, is endlessly hilarious.

These are the same people that whined incessantly when the Wii was succeeding. How dare Nintendo succeed in the face of their ridicule? How could they possibly outsell their favorite console when they themselves don't support it? Nintendo was supposed to be doomed! Now they're the ones that claim that "Nintendo is stealing our games!" when Bayonetta 2 is announced, but are reveling in Nintendo's struggle selling the Wii U. "This is what you get for not aiming every effort at me and me alone," they think. "Third parties are abandoning you, and rightfully so!"

In their minds, Nintendo made a huge mistake, going from the apparently bountiful and secure hardcore support and third-party games of the GameCube era, to the "flash in a pan" fad of 100million+ sales of the Wii. It's a crazy look back on a history that never was, but is being altered to fit their desired narrative: that how you serve the hardcore first and foremost makes or breaks you.

It's such a narcissistic, warped view of reality that you can't help but laugh.


For the rest of us, yeah, Nintendo has made a ton of huge blunders with the Wii U, and it's selling miserably. Is the price too high? Does the software library need to improve more before people are willing to jump in? Is competition from other tech gadgets proving to eat more of the gaming industry's marketshare than perhaps first thought? Can Nintendo support the console through the lean few months ahead? Is the marketing too confusing for consumers who think it's a Wii upgrade?

These are the kinds of questions to be asking and debating. Not "lolololol Nintendo is getting their comeuppance for the Wii, they should've never left the halcyon days of the GameCube!" Because that's absurd.

Excellent post. The level of arrogance and narcissism in this thread is staggering.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Oh, and Mario Kart 7 was at 5.24 million sales as of March 2012. Now it should be around what, 7 million? 8?

Should be around 7.000.000 now.

3D Mario Land should be around 7.000.000 too. (It passed Mario Galaxy 2)


Mario Bros. 2 should be around 4.500.000 units.

Mario U passed the million mark, but it's fresh.

 

[metalslimer]

Excellent post. The level of arrogance and narcissism in this thread is staggering.

Yep put it much better than I ever could have. It seems like many people have been waiting for something to go wrong with Nintendo for years to justify their idea that Nintendo is going to get their just desserts for *gasp* trying to actually make money instead of lose billions. Nintendo would likely be out of the console business if some people's version of the wii came out.

 

[Tenki]

Yes, competing devices bring me more pleasure at a much lower price. Buying a WiiU won't make any sense in my household

I understand that buying a Wii U now wouldn't make sense when you can get a Xbox 360 or PS3 for a lower price with better catalog. But "I'll never buy"? Really? You are already sure that no future game will be appealing to you?

 

[ColdBlooder]

The narrative being spun by petulant "core" manchildren that the Wii U's struggles are Nintendo's "punishment" for the Wii's success, is endlessly hilarious.

These are the same people that whined incessantly when the Wii was succeeding. How dare Nintendo succeed in the face of their ridicule? How could they possibly outsell their favorite console when they themselves don't support it? Nintendo was supposed to be doomed! Now they're the ones that claim that "Nintendo is stealing our games!" when Bayonetta 2 is announced, but are reveling in Nintendo's struggle selling the Wii U. "This is what you get for not aiming every effort at me and me alone," they think. "Third parties are abandoning you, and rightfully so!"

In their minds, Nintendo made a huge mistake, going from the apparently bountiful and secure hardcore support and third-party games of the GameCube era, to the "flash in a pan" fad of 100million+ sales of the Wii. It's a crazy look back on a history that never was, but is being altered to fit their desired narrative: that how you serve the hardcore first and foremost makes or breaks you.

It's such a narcissistic, warped view of reality that you can't help but laugh.


For the rest of us, yeah, Nintendo has made a ton of huge blunders with the Wii U, and it's selling miserably. Is the price too high? Does the software library need to improve more before people are willing to jump in? Is competition from other tech gadgets proving to eat more of the gaming industry's marketshare than perhaps first thought? Can Nintendo support the console through the lean few months ahead? Is the marketing too confusing for consumers who think it's a Wii upgrade?

These are the kinds of questions to be asking and debating. Not "lolololol Nintendo is getting their comeuppance for the Wii, they should've never left the halcyon days of the GameCube!" Because that's absurd.

Amazing post. Couldn't have said it this extremely well myself, seriously!

And i agree 100% with you!

 

[ambientmystic]

Excellent article by Eurogamer. More importantly it's the replies that spawn from these types of articles that makes it worth reading and publishing in the first place. They (Eurogamer) know it, Patcher knows it, the other analysts know it.

I swear it's like some laboratory experiment where they introduce a new element/catalyst to the process and then eagerly await the ensuing reaction for their own morbid curiosity. We play right into their hands over and over again, eagerly awaiting the next piece of raw elemental 'sodium' to be added into the chemical mix.

 

[Newton Crosby]

Those extra 20 million sales were due to casuals who wanted the driving app for their new motion toy. They won't be returning for MK U. They won't even have a Wii U.

Oh give me a fucking break with this crap.
You are so clueless.

 

[ikioi]

Its really no surprise the Wii U's sales are slow.

People buy game consoles to play games, any other reason is secondary.

Right now the Wii U doesn't have any titles worth owning the system for.

I'm really amazed at the justifications many in this thread have come up with as well as the imfamous Mr Patcher.

It has no games. It's that simple.

 

[marc^o^]

Your point....its never going to sell above 12 million let alone 15 million or 20 million. Games with Mario sold so well on the Wii because for the casuals that bought the system that is the only gaming character they know. It will never happen again with the WiiU or 3DS guaranteed.

After all these years, some still don't get how Nintendo sales work. Mario Kart 7 will sell as much in 2015 as it does now, and will still chart from time to time in 2018.

 

[Celine]

Your point....its never going to sell above 12 million let alone 15 million or 20 million. Games with Mario sold so well on the Wii because for the casuals that bought the system that is the only gaming character they know. It will never happen again with the WiiU or 3DS guaranteed.

I would bet MK7 will sell more than 12M.

 

[amaron11]

Excellent post. The level of arrogance and narcissism in this thread is staggering.

Just wait until the x-rays are done of the PCB. You ain't seen nothin' yet!

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

I would bet MK7 will sell more than 12M.

Two things I assumed when I made that statement..the guy said MK 7 sold 4.5 million in its first year is correct and WW right?

If not then I can see it possibly doing that well. I should of mentioned that before I made the statement.

After all these years, some still don't get how Nintendo sales work. Mario Kart 7 will sell as much in 2015 as it does now, and will still chart from time to time in 2018.

I understand it has legs but it will not reach the same LTD. I also call BS on MK selling the same amount 3 years after launch and 5 years after launch. Got any data to back that up?

Also as said by other people Mario ha sonly been so successful during the Wii and DS generations. What about GC or N64 era?

 

[Ollie Pooch]

Most people buy their iPhones and iPads with a mobile contract (paying it off in 2 years).

Phones perhaps, but I don't know a single person with a contracted iPad. Can you even put a Wifi only iPad on contract?

 

[Captain Smoker]

Phones perhaps, but I don't know a single person with a contracted iPad. Can you even put a Wifi only iPad on contract?

You're correct about the iPad, my post was a bit rushed.

 

[Celine]

Two things I assumed when I made that statement..the guy said MK 7 sold 4.5 million in its first year is correct and WW right?

If not then I can see it possibly doing that well. I should of mentioned that before I made the statement.

5.24M WW as of March 2012.

 

[Captain Smoker]

Two things I assumed when I made that statement..the guy said MK 7 sold 4.5 million in its first year is correct and WW right?

If not then I can see it possibly doing that well. I should of mentioned that before I made the statement.



I understand it has legs but it will not reach the same LTD. I also call BS on MK selling the same amount 3 years after launch and 5 years after launch. Got any data to back that up?

Also as said by other people Mario ha sonly been so successful during the Wii and DS generations. What about GC or N64 era?

WII   Mario Kart Wii		  	32.440.000
NDS   Mario Kart DS		  	22.570.000
N64   Mario Kart 64			9.870.000
SNES  Super Mario Kart			8.760.000
3DS   Mario Kart 7		      ~ 7.000.000
GCN   Mario Kart: Double Dash!!		6.580.000
GBA   Mario Kart: Super Circuit		5.530.000

 

[TreasureHunterG]

The narrative being spun by petulant "core" manchildren that the Wii U's struggles are Nintendo's "punishment" for the Wii's success, is endlessly hilarious.

These are the same people that whined incessantly when the Wii was succeeding. How dare Nintendo succeed in the face of their ridicule? How could they possibly outsell their favorite console when they themselves don't support it? Nintendo was supposed to be doomed! Now they're the ones that claim that "Nintendo is stealing our games!" when Bayonetta 2 is announced, but are reveling in Nintendo's struggle selling the Wii U. "This is what you get for not aiming every effort at me and me alone," they think. "Third parties are abandoning you, and rightfully so!"

In their minds, Nintendo made a huge mistake, going from the apparently bountiful and secure hardcore support and third-party games of the GameCube era, to the "flash in a pan" fad of 100million+ sales of the Wii. It's a crazy look back on a history that never was, but is being altered to fit their desired narrative: that how you serve the hardcore first and foremost makes or breaks you.

It's such a narcissistic, warped view of reality that you can't help but laugh.


For the rest of us, yeah, Nintendo has made a ton of huge blunders with the Wii U, and it's selling miserably. Is the price too high? Does the software library need to improve more before people are willing to jump in? Is competition from other tech gadgets proving to eat more of the gaming industry's marketshare than perhaps first thought? Can Nintendo support the console through the lean few months ahead? Is the marketing too confusing for consumers who think it's a Wii upgrade?

These are the kinds of questions to be asking and debating. Not "lolololol Nintendo is getting their comeuppance for the Wii, they should've never left the halcyon days of the GameCube!" Because that's absurd.

 

[marc^o^]

I also call BS on MK selling the same amount 3 years after launch and 5 years after launch. Got any data to back that up?

3 years after launch in 2011, Nintendo said MK Wii sold 4,91 millions. You are right, maybe not as much as during the first year. But I think you get my point now.

And that was despite rampant piracy. I think we can easily add few millions MK fans to DS and Wii figures.

 

[H_Prestige]

3 years after launch in 2011, Nintendo said MK Wii sold 4,91 millions. You are right, maybe not as much as during the first year. But I think you get my point now.

And that was despite rampant piracy. I think we can easily add few millions MK fans to DS and Wii figures.

Source? That sounds like complete bullshit. MK Wii didn't sell 25 million in the last two years, after the Wii sales had all but died.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

Ahh region locking, the best excuse to... "flash it"

Cut this shit out, seriously.

 

[marc^o^]

Source? That sounds like complete bullshit. MK Wii didn't sell 25 million in the last two years, after the Wii sales had all but died.

They sold 4,91M in 2011.

 

[H_Prestige]

They sold 4,91M in 2011.

Oh, I see.

But the Wii was probably around 80 million install base by then. Lots of people to sell it to.

 

[Baconsammy]

Excellent post. The level of arrogance and narcissism in this thread is staggering.

You're using that incorrectly.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

When is the results briefing this week? This thread is a disaster.

 

[gingerbeardman]

It shipped 5.240.000 units as of March 2012.


Should be >6.000.000 until now.


Maybe we get an update in two days. (Edit: Probably)

I got my info regarding its first year from wiki, would be interesting to see current figures

 

[Spieler Eins]

The narrative being spun by petulant "core" manchildren that the Wii U's struggles are Nintendo's "punishment" for the Wii's success, is endlessly hilarious.

These are the same people that whined incessantly when the Wii was succeeding. How dare Nintendo succeed in the face of their ridicule? How could they possibly outsell their favorite console when they themselves don't support it? Nintendo was supposed to be doomed! Now they're the ones that claim that "Nintendo is stealing our games!" when Bayonetta 2 is announced, but are reveling in Nintendo's struggle selling the Wii U. "This is what you get for not aiming every effort at me and me alone," they think. "Third parties are abandoning you, and rightfully so!"

In their minds, Nintendo made a huge mistake, going from the apparently bountiful and secure hardcore support and third-party games of the GameCube era, to the "flash in a pan" fad of 100million+ sales of the Wii. It's a crazy look back on a history that never was, but is being altered to fit their desired narrative: that how you serve the hardcore first and foremost makes or breaks you.

It's such a narcissistic, warped view of reality that you can't help but laugh.


For the rest of us, yeah, Nintendo has made a ton of huge blunders with the Wii U, and it's selling miserably. Is the price too high? Does the software library need to improve more before people are willing to jump in? Is competition from other tech gadgets proving to eat more of the gaming industry's marketshare than perhaps first thought? Can Nintendo support the console through the lean few months ahead? Is the marketing too confusing for consumers who think it's a Wii upgrade?

These are the kinds of questions to be asking and debating. Not "lolololol Nintendo is getting their comeuppance for the Wii, they should've never left the halcyon days of the GameCube!" Because that's absurd.

Saddest thing is that I certainly didn't see any of those defenders back in the GCN days, when Nintendo was supposed to be still about these ,,core'' people (with some of their weakest, rushed entries in their major franchises, lol). The GCN was shat on constantly, but now it's Nintendos holy grail before some kind of imaginary betrayal all of a sudden.

 

[BlackJace]

You're using that incorrectly.

No, I'm not. People act as though every action Nintendo should do should revolve around them and them alone. That is narcissism.

 

[BGBW]

You know how everyone's like "you need to put down the games and go outside"? I guess the British did...and started fucking.

I wish I got that memo. I've been missing out.

 

[Metroid In A Glass Tube]

I am pretty content with playing Xenoblade, until Pikmin 3 comes out. (Being able to take pictures and post them at the point of view of a Pikmin sounds awesome!)

Also Super Metroid for .30 cents! SOLD!

 

[Baconsammy]

No, I'm not. People act as though every action Nintendo should do should revolve around them and them alone. That is narcissism.

Noun
Excessive or erotic interest in oneself and one's physical appearance.
Extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents and a craving for admiration.

Narcissistic personality disorder is a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.

People in this thread aren't craving admiration from Nintendo. They're craving games. The word you want is egotistical. Egotistical people believe the world revolves around them and their needs.

 

[BlackJace]

People in this thread aren't craving admiration from Nintendo. They're craving games. The word you want is egotistical. Egotistical people believe the world revolves around them and their needs.

Self-professed "core gamers" need to realize that there is another (and bigger) audience other than them.

"Why are mobile games getting the spotlight, it should be about US and OUR games!"

"Why does COD and Madden sell so much each year? People should be playing games WE like. WE have the better taste!"

Most recently:

"They're stealing OUR games"

It's an inflated sense of importance in the industry. And, there IS a sense of selfishness amongst the aforementioned party due to the dismissive attitude towards things they feel are not catered towards them.

Also, they do indeed want attention from Nintendo. Who are the endless amount of people begging for new IPs, sequels to franchise, and beefier tech? Hop on any forum and read posts by disgruntled, ex Ninty fans who say they left the fanbase because they didn't feel that Ninty was catering to them and their audience. It's all about them.

Anyways, my point still stands, I'm not going to argue with you over what the word narcissism means.

 

[Diablos54]

Saddest thing is that I certainly didn't see any of those defenders back in the GCN days, when Nintendo was supposed to be still about these ,,core'' people (with some of their weakest, rushed entries in their major franchises, lol). The GCN was shat on constantly, but now it's Nintendos holy grail before some kind of imaginary betrayal all of a sudden.

You should have been on the GameCube General board over at IGN, madness at times. And the insanity when the Wii specs were leaked was amazing as well.