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Eurogamer re-reviews Resistance
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Ignatz Mouse said:
COD3 - 7/10
GoW - 8/10
GRAW - 8/10
Halo 2 - 9/10
All reviewed by the same guy who re-reviewed Resistance. He said to leave it at a seven would imply it's almost as good as the most recent 360 FPS (which he says are streets ahead of Resistance) and it's just not.
Eurogamer is harsh. I still hurt from the 5/10 for Kameo.
TheKingsCrown
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Do we even accept re-reviews of games around here? Is there an official GAF consensus on this?
Die Squirrel Die
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Roders5 said:
While they are probably the most level-headed review source around, they do have a tendency towards giving big games lower than expected scores and reviews that nitpick the bad and skirt over the good, seemingly just because they can. I don't think it's because they like to stir things up, but they do like to project an image of being immune to hype, which I think is what leads them to be harsher on marquee games.
Pristine_Condition
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DenogginizerOS said:
Bingo. GRAW2 and R6 Vegas are the only FPS' that are even in Resistance's wheelhouse, and neither offers as good a multiplayer experience, IMO.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
I get what the reviewer's saying, but I really don't like the concept of reviewing a game against games that debuted AFTER it. That just seems ridiculous.
Theres alot todo with european review values going on here, with a game this solid and polished but perhaps lacking in originality scores less than a game like STALKER (8 from EG) which is a techincally a clunky mess of a game but with a spark of innovative brilliance going right through it.
Pope Benedict XVI
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DarienA said:
You start when you think your readership will have a particular interest in the re-review that will make it worth the effort. You stop when you don't think there is enough interest to justify the work. In this case, Resistance is just now being released in Europe and is one of the most talked about games launching with the PS3. Eurogamer figured there would be a lot of interest in a re-review so it did one. Nothing retarded about it.
Ignatz Mouse
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linsivvi said:
QFMFT.
Tk0n said:
Yeah and then EG does something like this...
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=74426
Technically Motorstorm should get a re-review and because it actually adds something from the Japaneese version (online play) it would be more meaningful.
/waits for Motostorm re-review.
Pope Benedict XVI said:
Please, the game's barely six months old, reposting the old review on the front page would have been more than sufficient. And quite frankly, there hasn't been some great renaissance period in the genre for the game to have depreciated in quality like this guy's claiming in his justification for the review. There's no way this game is a 6/10 as a FPS (if anything the experience has improved since then)
Die Squirrel Die
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Pope Benedict XVI said:
Well I think re-reviewing with a different reviewer is kind of contentious. A re-review suggest an updated more definitive opinion, rather than a different opinion. I'm not saying a different opinion isn't a good thing, but it should be much clearer where the two reviews stand in relation to each other.
Pope Benedict XVI said:
Hopefully this policy will then tie over to an upcoming Motorstorm re-review, I don't remember Eurogamer having this policy in the past. As has been mentioned at the very least a re-review of something reviewed so recently should probably be done by the person who did the original review.
And, if you're going to do a second review, shouldn't it attempt to be a more complete review than the first one? They've already got the first review to fall back on, so why be in such a rush to put this one out that they can't even wait until Euro servers for the game are fully online to play more than just a 16-player match like they cite was the limit of their online play in this new review? Did they even play with the update that went out last night, which will be part of how Euro gamers first get exposed to the game?
OokieSpookie
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People who talk shit about Resistance and have not played it seriously need to be throat punched.
And played it does not include watching someone play for five mins or playing through half of a level.
And played it does not include watching someone play for five mins or playing through half of a level.
antoniogaud
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I completed this game and I agree with this review 100%.
After I bought the game I felt very uneasy about how average it was merely an hour or so in. Everyone kept telling me it would get better towards the end, but it didnt, it was more of the same except inside the alien ship. The FMV looked washed out and the story was just.plain.boring. The ending was worse than Halo2.
This game was always overhyped.
I'm about halfway through the campaign(About to reach Bristol) and I tend to agree with the scores. It's a decent shooter with some thrilling shootouts, but it also does nothing that pushes the genre, in many cases even stepping backward from the advancements seen over the last decade. The graphics have their moments, but the pallette so far is extremely muted, the enemy variety is lacking, outside of explosives and shotguns shooting enemies lacks any sensation of power, and the whole affair boils into 'strafe and spam'. I keep reading the lategame dramatically improves, which I seriously hope.
If not for online I'd be very dissapointed, but the online so fekking good that it deserves bonus points. I'm just not seeing the love regarding the campaign.
If not for online I'd be very dissapointed, but the online so fekking good that it deserves bonus points. I'm just not seeing the love regarding the campaign.
WickedAngel
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I don't understand their logic behind this. 7/10 was an acceptable score; the game isn't bad, but it's not the system seller golden horse that people had hoped it would be.
Killzone 2 cancelled!
J_Mourinho said:
Killzone 2 cancelled!
Wollan said:
Game sites shouldn't be allowed to review the online portion of a videogame til at least a month after release. One of Garnett's main criticisms of Resistance online, was that "the maps were so big that you had a hard time finding enemies." I mean, that is just so wrong in so many ways, that I don't even know where to begin.
Brandon F said:
Not just directing at you since there are many people who used similar descriptions. I kept seeing people who agree with the review consider Resistance as "decent but not great", "good but not pushing things forward", etc. These are valid opinions, and we can't expect everyone to have the same opinion of a game. The point is 6/10 does not describe a decent game in Eurogamer's standard, it describes a pretty terrible game with major flaws, when you look at how they rate the other games.
To put things into perspective. 6 is the same score they gave to Gundam and Genji, two games that hit the bargain bin mere weeks post launch in their native Japan. The two games that Sony forced people to buy as a bundle in some Asian countries. Two games that have a combined 95% in gamerankings.
The review said "To say we're underwhelmed is the understatement of the year".
I say: To say giving Resistance the same score as Gundam and Genji an injustice is the understatement of the year.
kaching said:
What inaccuracies? Outside of the online commentary on page 2, almost the entire first page described my experience note for note with the game thus far.
Enemy AI -does- resign itself to hopping back and forth from 'near spawn' cover points. Evading constant scattershot bullseye fire is entirely one-dimensional. The different grenade types ultimately don't alter the function or strategy of their use. It IS easier and far more efficient to merely nickel and dime grunts with the bullseye than to line up a dart and home-kill from cover. In fact almost every alternate function of weaponry feels so roundabout in their use, rather than complementary.
I'd even add how flawed the crouch button in this game is as a viable defensive component. Everytime I get behind some sandbag or low-rising wall mashing the crouch key, I'm continuously pecked in the noggin by bullseye fire. It's worthless.
It's one of the few reviews I've read that captures my experience with the game flawlessly so far (Minus the online discussion). It really is a shame because Insomniac is so capable, but they fumbled the ball here.
For whatever reason, some people just don't take to this game. Oh well.
No one is claiming it's flawless. It's just a lot better than a 6. Much better, in fact. And comparing it to games like Gears of War and GRAW2 doesn't really advance the discussion. They're entirely different games.
No one is claiming it's flawless. It's just a lot better than a 6. Much better, in fact. And comparing it to games like Gears of War and GRAW2 doesn't really advance the discussion. They're entirely different games.
Flachmatuch
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linsivvi said:
Actually, even though I don't like EG reviews at all, that 6/10 doesn't describe a decent game in EG's standard is just not true, they always say 5 is average. They're not always consistent though, that's very true, and have some pretty crappy reviewers and reviews, but I don't think that compared to their usual standards, Resistance is unexpected or bad in any way. The 6/7 score is very consistent with EG.
AltogetherAndrews
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antoniogaud said:
I think you're full of it, but hey.
Flachmatuch said:
In that case, one would hope they could at least be a bit more consistent in this case, seeing that there are only a dozen PS3 games reviewed on their site and Resistance is ranked in the lower half of the PS3 games they've reviewed. I don't think anyone would disagree that Resistance is at least in the top half of those PS3 games they reviewed, no?
Here's a few:Brandon F said:
One of the nicer touches about Resistance is actually the fact that corpses don't get airbrushed from the scenery - they get left their in full detail and pileup quite a bit in later firefights.Kristan Reed said:
Actually, I've had Chimera chase me down quite a few times, so I don't know what qualifies as sticking to the spawn point for you guys.Kristan Reed said:
Here he's making it sound like cover is completely safe to enforce this notion of "no skill" required to play through the game. But I've already pointed out that I've certainly been chased by the Chimera when I retreat and you yourself have pointed out how you feel cover isn't entirely safe from stray fire, not to mention the use of the Auger.Kristan Reed said:
Then there's points where he sets up strawmen, like hoping that "Insomniac could inject some sense of novelty and creativity in how it uses its weapons" only to turn around and tear down the hedgehog grenade because it hasn't got a practical difference from other grenades. Maybe not (and that's debatable) but it's still cool to nail an enemy and watch them fall to the ground with half a dozen spikes in their back or actually nail them to a wall.
So that's page 1.
Yeah I don't think Resistance does anything terribly revolutionary, but the fact of the matter is that it's way too polished to be a 6/10 game. I've looked as Resistance as this generation's equivalent of the Timesplitters series, and I certainly wouldn't give any of those games a 6. In any case, this looks like Playstation 3 is already getting off on the wrong foot with the European press.
Brandon F said:
You can't say that about the Auger.
Brandon F said:
Find better cover, this is not Gears. In gears, you are essentially invincible when in cover.
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I'll say that Resistance is a pretty good game, and I've enjoyed playing it, and it has some wow moments, but it's missing something... But it's more like a 7.5-8, not a 6.
I really enjoyed the game, and some of the set pieces were really fun. There are a few levels that suck though (the Jeep level), and some of the environments are very bland (some of the environments are really awesome too though...).
Online is excellent and I loved playing with GAF but man, I wish I had a mouse and keyboard ...
Anyway, I thought that it was interesting that Motorstorm and Armored Core 4 got 8 scores, where they've been critically panned in the US. I think European gamers have different tastes, and that's just how it is. How did Gears do in Europe?