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[Skittzo0413]

I'd rather pay a flat fee to bring everything over. Like if I had to pay $10 and all my shit was then good I'd be fine with that.

Nickel and diming on a per game basis sucks ass though.

Yeah I would prefer this too, but to be fair based on the OP we don't know that this isn't the case.

But I think the way they justify charging per game is that typically they build an emulator for each individual game, rather than for each platform, which I think is really stupid and inefficient. Hopefully NERD changes that practice and builds a single emulator for each platform, which would ensure that releases could be much more frequent.

 

[phanphare]

Is it really free if you can't play the games with the gamepad, yknow the only controller that comes with the system, without paying the upgrade fee

I guess the logic was that if you're transferring digital content from a Wii to a Wii U that you'll have Wii stuff left over

 

[Living the Dream]

I don't mean to be dense, but why is that outlandish? I didn't mean the suggestion in any snarky way, apologies if it read like that.

You're telling me to change the brightness of my TV to make up for the fact that the NES and N64 games have these dark filters. Think about that for a second please.

Let's say I listen to your "advice" and change the brightness of my TV. Now I want to play a real Wii U game or PS4 or XB0 or hell anything else not NES/N64; then I gotta change it back?

 

[Falchion]

So rebuy games you already own all over again... at a discount.

Yeah, that's horrible. You already own it, Nintendo sucks for not having a unified system.

 

[Jonneh3003]

Yeah I would prefer this to, but to be fair based on the OP we don't know that this isn't the case.

But I think the way they justify charging per game is that typically they build an emulator for each individual game, rather than for each platform, which I think is really stupid and inefficient. Hopefully NERD changes that practice and builds a single emulator for each platform, which would ensure that releases could be much more frequent.

Very true, this is just another "we'll just have to wait until January" situation.

 

[WrenchNinja]

I guess the logic was that if you're transferring digital content from a Wii to a Wii U that you'll have Wii stuff left over

Yeah it's the same stupid logic they had for selling the new 3ds without a charger

 

[Matbtz]

A fee is already better than full price.

This is a great news for VC but I'm a bit down that they are prepping Sunshine and Animal Crossing.

This means we are not getting a Sunshine HD and maybe that an actual Animal Crossing for Switch is surely far away no ? :/

 

[El Topo]

It's better than nothing.

Is that their new marketing slogan?

 

[Panajev2001a]

I mean, people do realize Nintendo will need to make a brand new VC emulator for switch, and that this costs time and money right?

True, it is called investing on your customers to retain them and make them feel less of dancing wallets to be squeezed when needed. I can make a similar argument about Nintendo having to discount their e-Shop games because they cut the middleman out, prevent people reselling them, and lower the risk of piracy... all extra value Nintendo gets and the answer is that "well, you ought to pay for the convenience of having your games on the console...".

Considering the fact that they charged money to upgrade NES and N64 games to deliver the kind of result they did, I think it would be good for their image if they invested more in this effort and gather good will.

 

[bomblord1]

This is some bullshit spin and you know it

You're the one who seems to be trying to spin it to fit your agenda. The transfer process is completely and 100% free.

 

[phanphare]

I'm feeling a bit of a double standard, the OP says NERD are enhancing the Virtual Console and there will be a small upgrade fee and this upsets people, yet the majority of remasters sell close to a full retail price and few people seem bothered about that? What makes those games different to virtual console games? Both are having time and money put into technological enhancements, the only difference is we're just paying a small upgrade fee rather than going all out on a new purchase. Like why couldn't I get The Last of Us Remastered for free because I had it on PS3? The only games I can think to do this is Skyrim.

once pixel perfect mode is announced for all VC games people will come around ;p

hell, I bet they'll have some filter options too maybe like the GBA VC for Wii U or the NES Mini

Yeah it's the same stupid logic they had for selling the new 3ds without a charger

the 3DS logic was far dumber because it shafted anyone who was buying into that line for the first time. to transfer Wii games to Wii U you had to actually posses a Wii console. still dumb perhaps but not nearly as dumb as the lack of a charger.

 

[jj984jj]

I hope they'll have a good explanation as to what will happen to Wii data if my Wii U will be erased in a data transfer.

 

[Jonneh3003]

once pixel perfect mode is announced for all VC games people will come around ;p

hell, I bet they'll have some filter options too maybe like the GBA VC for Wii U or the NES Mini

I imagine we're getting a modified version of the emulator used in the NES Mini, hopefully Pixel Perfect is a guarantee, it is actually difficuilt to go back to 4:3 after using it.

 

[Metroidvania]

Maybe this is the start and there are no more "systems"

It's nice to hope for things.

(Granted, this may be the best chance we have, but it's Nintendo, so who knows)

Paying on a per-game basis is pretty silly. The people who bought more games get shafted compared to someone who only buys a couple.

And those who buy more are more likely to pay it, lol.

 

[Aaronrules380]

I hope they'll have a good explanation as to what will happen to Wii data if my Wii U will be erased in a data transfer.

I doubt it'll be a data transfer like last time. More likely it'll use records from nintendo network accounts

 

[Chû Totoro]

I'm ok with that.
I won't re dl everything on Switch but having the opportunity to do it is a good thing, even for 1€

Transfer would be best solution but I can understand hw being to different to say that it costs nothing to them (also they're greedy... because not 1€ per game per person but yeah, ok).

And at least we have something... while on PS4 I have to pay again full price for my few purchased PS3-PS2 classics
So didn't buy anything at all...

 

[WrenchNinja]

You're the one who seems to be trying to spin it to fit your agenda. The transfer process is completely and 100% free.

No, you are purposely ignoring the fact that the Wii U can't play jack shit unless you upgrade or have extra wii controllers lying around. It's the epitome of spin because you know it was bullshit they pulled it but you're only stopping at the transfer and not the actual play part because it hurts Nintendo here.

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Pay again, people! The Nintendo Difference.

 

[Screamapillar]

They did carry over for free, you only had to pay the upgrade fee if you wanted additional features.

You had to go into Wii mode on the Wii U and go through multiple load screens, AND set up and use different controllers, since Wii U-specific controllers had no support in backward-compatible mode.

Honestly, the average person would never go through all that trouble. I've tried to explain how Wii U and Wii inter-operate as far as compatibility and controllers go, even to fellow gamers, and only half of them seem like they would bother to try.

I'm so glad Nintendo is fully rebooting with Switch. It's time to hit that reset button.

Please, Nintendo. Attach our digital purchases to our Nintendo ID, regardless of platform.

 

[Aaronrules380]

No, you are purposely ignoring the fact that the Wii U can't play jack shit unless you upgrade or have extra wii controllers lying around. It's the epitome of spin because you know it was bullshit they pulled it but you're only stopping at the transfer and not the actual play part because it hurts Nintendo here.

Who the hell had wii vc games but no wii remotes?

 

[bomblord1]

No, you are purposely ignoring the fact that the Wii U can't play jack shit unless you upgrade or have extra wii controllers lying around. It's the epitome of spin because you know it was bullshit they pulled it but you're only stopping at the transfer and not the actual play part because it hurts Nintendo here.

In what scenario would you have a Wii and be doing a transfer but not have a Wii controller? You need the controller to initiate the transfer process.

 

[WrenchNinja]

In what scenario would you have a Wii and be doing a transfer but not have a Wii controller? You need the controller to initiate the transfer process.

Who the hell had wii vc games but no wii remotes?

The people who sold their wiis afterwards

 

[bomblord1]

The people who sold their wiis

So people who couldn't do a transfer?

 

[Pancakes R Us]

The people who sold their wiis

Oh snap.

 

[Movalpolos]

So they will fucking charge me AGAIN for VC titles?
Fuck you NIntendo. I'm out. That's the last of my goodwill towards this shit company.

 

[MisterHero]

Microsoft is putting time and money into the 360 emulator for Xbone and there is no upgrade fee there.

Nintendo would make more money long term if people actually felt comfortable investing in their digital ecosystem and weren't going to get hit with nonsense upgrade fees.

Wii U ported the entire digital Wii library for free. Of course they get it.

Thing is people wanted a modern console where BC isn't as simple as Wii U.

I didn't even bother transferring to Wii U. Wii emulation is better for me without an HD TV.

 

[CouchMaster]

For those wondering about NERD, they've made some great stuff so far:

• Mobiclip video codec as used on GBA/DS/3DS/Wii/Wii U.
• The Wii U web browser media player.
• DS Emulator for Wii U (which supports 2x native resolution rendering, although it's disabled without a hack).
• Stable stereoscopic 3D on the New 3DS.
• Wii VC games on Wii U.
• She Wants to Move.

Whoa, respect. The stable 3D on the new models is night and day from the shit we got in the original 3DS.

 

[Spyder_Monkey]

There is a right way to do it an a wrong way to do it. This falls squarely in the latter.

 

[kfpkiller]

So people who couldn't do a transfer?

-transfer your WII VC games to WII U
-sell your WII and wiimotes
-can't play your WII VC games anymore unless you pay

 

[jj984jj]

I doubt it'll be a data transfer like last time. More likely it'll use records from nintendo network accounts

Hopefully, and hopefully it'll be the end of games that are tied to the hardware. Nintendo isn't the best when it comes to satisfying in this area still. I understand why they have an upgrade fee, but this upgrade fee is proof of them not really being interested in retaining the few consumers they had on their last console.

 

[bomblord1]

The people who sold their wiis afterwards

So your incredibly specific scenario

Where you do a free transfer to the wiiU

Then sell your wii immediately afterwards

and you never bought any additional wii remotes

and choose not to keep your wii remote from the sold wii.

You then can't play a virtual console game running on the Wii mode of the WiiU system without picking up a $25 used Wii controller which is needed to operate a Wii.

This makes it BS?

 

[MegalonJJ]

A fee is already better than full price.

This is a great news for VC but I'm a bit down that they are prepping Sunshine and Animal Crossing.

This means we are not getting a Sunshine HD and maybe that an actual Animal Crossing for Switch is surely far away no ? :/

But, if the resolution internally increased then technically it can still be HD like NES mini games isn't it?

 

[everthustodeadbeats]

Why is this 'upgrade' fee not a flat fee for each game? Why the different prices of nes, snes, and n64?

Nintendo really makes me not want to buy any more of their consoles thanks to this sort of nonsense.

 

[DrROBschiz]

Can we PLEASE get a universal Virtual Console ecosystem that just has everything?

Nes, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, GB, GBA, DS, 3DS

It all just need to be on the NINTENDO PLATFORM and just fucking work

Get on it

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

That is pure unadulterated crazy talk.

Nintendo could do VC for free this whole generation and I bet it wouldn't cost them a fraction of what they've made reselling roms for 5+ dollars the last ten years like lolol

No, it would cost them more.
Now if they were only offering their OWN games, maybe.

There's a fixed cost for maintaining, allowing redownloads and rewriting emulators, so nintendo should be charging something for upgrades. It's not much, but it's there. The wiiu cost, however, was extortionate. Should be pennies or cents, and there shouldn't be much of a difference between the platforms, as only the size of the file will change.

 

[HandsomeCharles]

So rebuy games you already own all over again... at a discount.

Devil's advocate time!

The product you purchased still works.

Allowing that product to also function on a new console (for which you did not buy a licence to play the game on) cost Nintendo money. People had to be employed to make that transition happen. Why then should you be entitled to a free upgrade?

By the same logic, I should not have to purchase any virtual console title for which I purchased a physical copy in the 1990s. I do not agree with that sentiment.

 

[Chopper Dave]

This is some bullshit spin and you know it

Nah man that's what you're doing. You can move games from wii to wiiu for free. The fact you're limited to the same controller you've been using originally doesn't change that.

The question is will the wiiu to switch transition be similar. Can one move the games over for free and pay if they want the upgrades if there are indeed any? I have a bad feeling my original wii vc games will have to go through one upgrade sadly to get them running on switch.

 

[MisterHero]

-transfer your WII VC games to WII U
-sell your WII and wiimotes
-can't play your WII VC games anymore unless you pay

Or keep the wiimotes since they're compatible with Wii U

Smh

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Don't they dare removing the NES games from Animal Crossing!

They're not.

 

[RoadHazard]

"Now you can pay for the same games a third time!"

Awesome.

(Yeah, I know there's nothing saying that a game has to be free on console Y just because you bought it for console X.)

 

[Living the Dream]

They're going to need a way for Wii owners to transfer their VC purchases to the Switch too. There's 90m+ potential customers out there who may have bought a few VC titles that should be allowed to transfer over. Wii firmware update incoming?

 

[Josh7289]

Superb news.

 

[Jonneh3003]

They're not.

oooooh

 

[Skyzard]

Nintendo clearly still doesn't understand digital.

If you had all your favourite classics already on the next console (like people generally expect) it would give you a big incentive to keep getting the next console they put out.

But the people that buy classics are probably diehards that are already buying the new system, and this is just the status quo of squeezing their hardcore.

 

[Nzyme32]

aaaaand Nintendo lost my purchase again. Until they can support perpetuity in a reasonable way, I see no reason to purchase almost anything from such platforms.

 

[Meffer]

Devil's advocate time!

The product you purchased still works.

Allowing that product to also function on a new console (for which you did not buy a licence to play the game on) cost Nintendo money. People had to be employed to make that transition happen. Why then should you be entitled to a free upgrade?

By the same logic, I should not have to purchase any virtual console title for which I purchased a physical copy in the 1990s. I do not agree with that sentiment.

Or. They should be readily available. No upgrade fee.

 

[TheJoRu]

When Nintendo doesn't have to redevelop all their emulators that's when we'll get free transfers. Hopefully this starts with the Switch, and as it's been a goal of theirs to make more of a iOS/Android-type of OS ecosystem there's a fair chance the purchases we make here will stick around for a while at least.

I don't find this upgrade system to be particularly outrageous, though I definitely agree that there should be a set cost, or a maximum transfer cost if you will, so that people who own a lot of VC games on Wii U doesn't have to pay ludicrous amounts. I find it to be poorly handled if that's not the case.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

I'm not buying them again or upgrading.

 

[MisterHero]

aaaaand Nintendo lost my purchase again. Until they can support perpetuity in a reasonable way, I see no reason to purchase almost anything from such platforms.

Switch is both portable and home, so less platforms to buy for. And future consoles can probably be based on Switch.

It's a tiny step at least.

 

[HandsomeCharles]

Or. They should be readily available. No upgrade fee.

Why? You paid for a product on the Wii U, and that product still functions on the Wii U.

Nintendo had to invest money in order to get it running on the switch, so why shouldn't you have to pay money to upgrade to the switch version? Why do you feel entitled to get it for free?

(I hate having to post the same thing twice...)