ShockingAlberto
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I got around this on the Wii U with this one simple trick that Nintendo hates:
I didn't pay the upgrade fee or buy any new VC games.
I didn't pay the upgrade fee or buy any new VC games.
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Eurogamer: Switch VC plans include upgrade progam, VC engineered by NERD
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As soon as I tied my Wii U to my Nintendo id I was done repurchasing vc games. I'm still on the fence on the Switch but letting me bring my vc titles across (not to mention the full retail titles I downloaded) would go a long way in getting me to jump off the fence on Nintendo's side. I've been a long time supporter but after Wii U I've had enough of their shit. Switch has got to be amazing and consumer friendly as hell or I may never look in Nintendo's direction again.
Sephiroth_VII
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TBF, developing an emulator isn't easy. That investment has to be justified somehow.So rebuy games you already own all over again... at a discount.
GhostTrick
Banned
You're paying to use the software you bought on your digital account already. I bought Super Metroid on my VC, I shouldn't pay to play it on Switch. That's some grade A Nintendo greedyness here. It's not like this company is in position to keep playing the greedy old man cutting every corners.
ShockingAlberto
Member
I mean technically you bought it for your Wii or Wii U.
Not that the upgrade fee isn't bullshit, but let's not pretend that VC is something it's not. My physical copy of Mario 64 does not necessarily entitle me to a Switch copy. The reason it's bullshit is because they can actually just do it for free if they chose to.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Well, close to free. They could choose to go free and eat a loss, but they'd need a few pence/cents to break even.
Totally forgot the Switch Pro controller does not have a dpad.
But you're upgrading it to include features not previously had on a different system. That's why it's a small upgrade fee and not you rebuying it
Zombegoast
Member
Do Xbox and Playstation owners get a discount or a free upgrade to games they already purchased online with these HD re-releases? What is this complaining I keep seeing?
I mean, you have to purchase that separately I'm assuming
GhostTrick
Banned
Of course it doesn't. But with VC, it was supposed to. With online account, it was supposed to. It's not about entitlement but more like about policies. It's just so annoying to see Nintendo keeping this freakin greedy policy for everything. They just keep cutting every corners for a few dollars rather than banking on customer loyalty. These VC games have made their money back decades ago. It wont kill them to allow to upgrade your VC games for free. It'll actually make people want to spend their dollars on OTHER vc titles.
That's like what nearly everyone do.
No. I'm upgrading because Nintendo decided to be greedy once more. Don't tell me savestates or CRT filter is what justify to pay again.
I didn't paid a single cent when SEGA upgraded my whole Megadrive library with support for romhacks, workshop and a new frontend.
Colonel Mustard
Banned
I wonder what they'll add to them for the upgrade fee?
Wii U VC had save states...I wonder if N64/GCN/Wii stuff will be upscaled to 720 or something.
Wii U VC had save states...I wonder if N64/GCN/Wii stuff will be upscaled to 720 or something.
People saying "It costs Nintendo to develop new emulators for the new systems, so the upgrade fee is reasonable" have a remarkably narrow-minded view of business with regards to consumer psychology.
Nintendo doing a bad job of this stuff makes customers far less likely to spend money on VC (and other) stuff from Nintendo.
If they are able to say "You can buy [Game] for $[Price], and it will work on all our devices going forward" people will be more likely to open their wallets, because it's of increased value.
I'd have spent more on VC across their previous devices if I'd known that they'd transfer forwards at no additional charge.
Hell, if VC games on 3DS included a Wii U version (and cross device cloud saves) at no extra charge, I'd have bought a lot more.
Hopefully this will be the last time they have VC purchases arbitrarily segregated, but it really would be absurd not to transfer purchases forward.
Nintendo doing a bad job of this stuff makes customers far less likely to spend money on VC (and other) stuff from Nintendo.
If they are able to say "You can buy [Game] for $[Price], and it will work on all our devices going forward" people will be more likely to open their wallets, because it's of increased value.
I'd have spent more on VC across their previous devices if I'd known that they'd transfer forwards at no additional charge.
Hell, if VC games on 3DS included a Wii U version (and cross device cloud saves) at no extra charge, I'd have bought a lot more.
Hopefully this will be the last time they have VC purchases arbitrarily segregated, but it really would be absurd not to transfer purchases forward.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
do psx/ps2 games from the ps3 port over for free to ps4?
I'm expecting pixel perfect mode for everything, considering the SNES VC for New 3DS and the NES Mini
maybe some filter options as well
GhostTrick
Banned
Hence the "nearly everyone". But they did for Vita. Microsoft did for BC titles. A lot of publishers did for Remasters on Steam. SEGA did for their Megadrive/Genesis collection. Android and iOS did for all the apps when they upgraded the OS.
Your counter exemple is ONE bad practice which doesn't justify another one. That kind of thinking is just lowering the bar.
Teletraan1
Banned
If they can detect that I purchased the game in some fashion then fuck yo upgrade fees. Paying per title for what amounts to emulated roms is a fucking joke. They surely already made back whatever money they invested in this emulator with the NES Classic Mini.
No, the development of new emulators for the new hardware, QR and tweaking for each game warrant the upgrade fee in my view
thepenguin55
Member
Are they? I'm genuinely asking because that seems far too forward thinking.
yes they are
Sir_Crocodile
Member
Publishers aren't paying for the hosting costs on steam or google play afaik.
And sony is the most analogous company to nintendo, and even THAT is not quite there as they're just one division of a larger company.
GhostTrick
Banned
What do you mean by QR ?
Also pleeeease. Don't make it like they broke the bank by making a new NES emulator which they made their money back already with NES Mini. The developpement of new emulator is justified to sell VC titles to new consumers. Not for the people who already bought these VC titles.
Sorry but your view just sound like REALLY forgiving when it comes to Nintendo's practices. Nothing warrant the upgrade fee when nearly everyone else make it for free.
I'm not sure Nintendo is breaking the bank when you can hold the entire NES library in half a gigabyte. Then again, they make that money back on selling it to new customers. Then again, Sony did it for Vita and PSX. It's not because Sony decided to become greedy that it makes it okay for Nintendo to be.
Regulus Tera
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I'd be happier if it included Wii VC releases
It's one of the only reasons I purchased downloadable games on the Wii U and 3DS.
$1-2 per game doesn't sound like much unless you have a bunch of VC games.
That shit adds up.
It would be justified by new customers and by releasing games that weren't on VC for the Wii U.
That shit adds up.
It would be justified by new customers and by releasing games that weren't on VC for the Wii U.
I'd be willing to pay exactly $0 to play digital titles that I've already purchased...especially if I had already paid and upgrade fee on Wii U.
This shit is why piracy exists and honestly, it's more convenient to just buy a physical copy of most games, rip the image, and play on an emulator.
This shit is why piracy exists and honestly, it's more convenient to just buy a physical copy of most games, rip the image, and play on an emulator.
Already gone my friend.
WrenchNinja
Member
So not free then. Glad we can put this to rest.
HandsomeCharles
Member
Where was it ever stated that this would be the case? I don't recall a single instance of anybody at Nintendo saying you would be able to carry your VC purchase forward to new hardware.
If I'm wrong then I'll shut my mouth.
Herb Alpert
Banned
THIS IS NOT THE QUESTION!!!
I WON'T PAY 1 FOR A GAME I ALREADY PAID 1 3 YEARS AGO!!!
Papacheeks
Banned
A lot of indies were cross buy for PS3-VITA-PS4. Sony PS1 classics were playable across PS3-PSP-VITA just not PS4.
Some are cross-buy with PS3-PS4 just not the PS2 and ps1 classics to my knowledge.
I don't think so. Buy phisical copies woud be cheaper in certain titles, but the whole system to rip them and later transfer them nah. Add time to the equation, too.
Sorry, I meant QA. I've been writing QR a lot lately so it instinctively followed
I'm not really forgiving, I'm just not really agitated by everything Nintendo does like a lot of people here
efyu_lemonardo
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They should probably have a second option to transfer all your vc library for a fixed price, like $10 or something. It'd be a good way to reward people who have already spent large sums on vc in the past.
ok yeah that's pretty much what I thought
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Right, I'm very much of the same view. It's easy to see this behaviour even in this thread. The amount they will make charging people is a loss overall driving people away from the platform. They make up the money because people will buy more product. Developing a new emulator is profitable because it sells product (VC games), there's no need to keep charging customers who've already bought VC games again and again.
100% free. You choosing to sell your stuff and having to buy new ones doesn't change that.
I must have missed the long list of extensive additions/changes to these. The remasters that are just straight ports or lazy cash grabs are usually skewered by people on here, rightfully.
All Nintendo's upgrade fee nonsense is just another aspect of them being fucking insufferable and out of touch. If I do wind up with a Switch at some point, I'm renting everything or buying used, if necessary, just like I've done with all Nintendo stuff post GameCube.
Sir_Crocodile
Member
It's not greed if you only charge the break even price. Wiiu was greed as it was defo more then break even. But there is inherently costs in doing this, and the costs will increase each generation.
Nintendo should have already better solutions that a "fee" to download again the same games.
Honestly I always thought that without account link and the actual price of the games in the VC, I would never buy anything in it. NGC is a fantastic addition, but the prices really need to go down or simply make a lot more deals like Steam does. And of course, linked to an account and not to the machine without the need of lengthy animations of pikmins carrying blocks from one place to the other.
Honestly I always thought that without account link and the actual price of the games in the VC, I would never buy anything in it. NGC is a fantastic addition, but the prices really need to go down or simply make a lot more deals like Steam does. And of course, linked to an account and not to the machine without the need of lengthy animations of pikmins carrying blocks from one place to the other.
Jonneh3003
Banned
ShockingAlberto says otherwise.
GhostTrick
Banned
These games broke even decades ago. Heck their VC version broke even on Wii. The only cost is Nintendo's greediness. Sure I get it it's not free to developp an emulator and the bandwith cost. But these are meant for selling new VC games or VC games to new customers. The break even cost is already included in these products. The upgrade fee is just pure greediness and a stupid business move that will make customers go away rather than coming.
Possumowner
Member
Ah I don't mind,as long as it is like the Wii U price ,around £1
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