Brock Reiher
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Dang, Europe fighting to save America this time around. World War III: Cyberscape
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Europe gives Facebook, Twitter final warning on hate speech - CNN
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guggnichso
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I would like to see those studies about how banning anti semitism caused the holocaust.
Hint: They dont exist.
King Tubby
Member
These websites are basically offering free platforms for neo-Nazis and other assorted white supremacists around the world to organize, coordinate, and spread their message. Something should be done.
So as long as we can't do something about everything at once, we shouldn't do anything?
tonysidaway
Member
No, the social media platforms are publishers as a matter of law. To put it in concrete terms, the systems they provide are actively involved in the publication of illegal material, and they've designed those systems in such a way that only they can remove that material. Of course those who originate illegal content will be prosecuted, but that doesn't absolve the social media platforms.
tearsofash
Member
hopefully ello will step in again
Royal_Phalanx
Member
EU should deal with Reddit ASAP too with all the racist shit over there
They won't, because it's not as lucrative to fine reddit.
No one has answered my question on "what stops Russian trolls from using this against groups they don't like?"
Reminder that a higher percentage of Germans and French (and all non Denmark western european countries) have anti-semitic views than Americans.
http://global100.adl.org/#map
Yes. 100% this. Reddit has even less of an excuse, considering its design.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
Or you could just makes hate speech laws yourselves instead of expecting us to hold your hand! ( /jk)
I'm not sure if I'm joking or serious with that sentence, considering we just had a rather disappointing thread on the topic (I'm making it in jest here though).
But on a serious note: I get that US people have internalized fear about any kind of change and assume the worst, but the reality is hate speech isn't free speech anyway and to remove it is neither limiting an opinion of value nor very likely to abused in ridiculous ways since racism is pretty limited in its practical application anyway. If it were, the Supreme Court would have to end that real quick since even US laws are hardly vague on those matters.
There is no good reason for the US not to have them, except fear that 'something might happen', which is hardly a compelling argument. That said, it will take a different administration to do so. But I also wonder if the USA will ever get there at this rate.
It's also curious to see the difference between that thread and this one. So, you trust the EU with hate speech laws, but not your own? That's fucking dark, man.
Frankfurter
Member
No. They won't because they can't. Reddit does not have an office or anything in Europe, so Europe doesn't have any jurisdiction over Thema.
Feels more like fining car manufactures that create polluting cars. You could argue that the drivers are the cause of the pollution. But it's the responsibility of the manufactures that the pollution is brought to a minimum. And with these rules there is an understanding that the issues of pollution is somewhat inherent in the product. But trying to keep it as low as possible is being rewarded.
Same will be for this I guess. You can't have 100% control over the output of the users. It's, I think, literarily impossible. And the EU understands this. But these companies need a kick in the ass to do something to try and tone it down.
Bustanen
Member
I'm sure properly moderated platforms would rise to take their place in EU. Banning sites that allow terrorists and nazis to spew their shit is not censorship.I hope that is sarcasm, otherwise, yeah, glorious
Social media platforms need to handle their T&Cs far better, but I'm not quite sure how the EU can just blanket fine a private company like this. I'm sure they probably can do it somehow.
That was always the case.
Like seriously antisemitism has been going on for millenia in France.
To the point that one legal way to raise money for the Crown was stealing assets from Jewish subjects.
You also have a higher percentage of people wanting absolute monarchy in France too.
Because your question doesn't really merit an answer. Russia is already waging cyber warfare. Pretending curtailing hate speech on some of the bigger platforms isn't going to magically make Russia more dangerous than continuing doing the nothing that's happening now.
Slippery slope arguments are the worst.
PdotMichael
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You just wrote that Russia would love it while failing to provide anything worth discussing.
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Deleted member 17706
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I think the big problem is that tech companies just hate hiring people. They can't stand the idea of any solution that doesn't scale.
Wrestlemania
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Super-Christian guy concerned about the consequences of cracking down on hate speech because it might impact on his religious freedom to hate gays or whatever. Shocker.
I don't follow people who engage in hate speech, and I ignore stuff that I personally find offensive. That's how I deal with it, and I find that it works pretty well for me.
Lol. The EC has possibly the best regulatory regime in the world, the outcomes for consumers in many sectors are second to none.
US firms, like everyone else get into trouble with the EC for violating the law.
Ok? What does that have to do with what I said?
It doesn't work that well for everybody.
Yoshimitsu126
Member
It's almost as if their cheaper algorithms aren't good enough to parse strings of hate speech as well as paid moderators! Who knew??
The US could have done it too, if the regulators weren't toothless trash suffering from heavy regulatory capture.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
i would think the big problem is actually the people themselves, social media just helps to identify them. education probably doesn't work since that will most likely just produce more colin moriarties.
Audioboxer
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So you do support something like what China or North Korea do? You honestly do not think that is seriously far-fetched to outright start blocking websites at a Government level like Facebook/Twitter (and I presume YouTube, given the issues it has with comments sections)?
Something else will "just pop up" on the same scale/financially funded as them? And then what? We ban it's website address if there is a slip-up with moderation? Where does it end? Banning everything like China till it's some sort of Government ran internet privacy nightmare? https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/27/china-orders-internet-comments-linked-to-real-identities/
Notice how you praise European regulations, but you also want European tech giants?
You said that we haven't been able to find a way to deal with hate speech on social media. Most of us have no problem dealing with it.
What's funny is that we have AI that can predict what you're going to write next when you're writing a text and there's even algorithm that can accurately predict what you're going to buy and when!
But an algorithm that could recognize hate speech?
Way too hard!
Massive Duck. C.M.
Banned
Jack and Zuck need to stop being cheap
Define most of us.
Brock Reiher
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I'm assuming the reason our government hasn't done more about this kind of thing is because hate speech on Facebook and Twitter helped out ruling party get elected.
He said that where?
Maybe you shouldn't bring the massive nationalist chip on your shoulder to these topics?
What? This isn't sports teams. If Google, Facebook and co were Exxon, Chevron and JP Fucking Morgan you wouldn't be going to bat for them.
I don't want European tech giants, I am not caught in nationalist drivel. I don't much care where companies originate from. I like Google, Facebook, MS, AAPL and the services and products they provide. What I am also keenly aware of is that they have routinely broken the law.
The US categorically has dog shit regulators, since they are so heavily compromised by an incredibly corrupt political system which is brought and paid for. Your government is broken.
Lobbyists find it incredibly hard to get their way in the EU because Commissioners are very tough to buy and decisions often need unanimity. You couldn't ask for a better system when it comes to Competition Law.
tonysidaway
Member
Good for you, you don't expose yourself to crap. But that doesn't stop the target groups of hate speech suffering as a result of, say, antisemitism. Even if they follow suit and ignore hate speech, they still suffer from the antisemitism which is spread by that speech.
Well, I'm glad someone's finally making the steps towards fighting back. Hate speech shouldn't be protected speech; it hurts people by its very nature. And, as we're learning more and more, the only group that benefits from social media not curating it is the Russian government, so the more steps towards preventing people from riling up bigots with open-bigotry, the better.
How About No
Member
Unfortunately a lot of the cool people you follow are likely putting up with the brunt of the hateful rhetoric spewed
This will make their lives and experience much bettet
I dont really approve of this kind of censorship. If people want to publicly reveal they are racist idiots then let em. We can just point and laugh at em or ignore em. These kinda laws can be a slippery slope into sum real bad ju ju.
Just my opinion tho. I appreciate where those approving of this come from but imo the long term effects seem kinda bad. Its pretty easy to avoid things on the internet that you dont like. By doing so you also dont empower the racist idiots.
Just my opinion tho. I appreciate where those approving of this come from but imo the long term effects seem kinda bad. Its pretty easy to avoid things on the internet that you dont like. By doing so you also dont empower the racist idiots.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Its not censorship, its failure of American businesses to meet the existing legal requirements of doing business in another country
That and I don't really agree with this notion that Facebook and Twitter are publishers and responsible for the behaviour of their users.
dragonelite
Member
Why cant you have a regulated Eu market and our own Eu based tech giants.
CheesecakeRecipe
Stormy Grey
No, we don't just let people abuse others so that they can be 'revealed' to be assholes.
Good thing you aren't writing the laws, then!
Well yeah clever, but you've not given me a reason for this line of thought. How are Twitter and Facebook culpable for what their users post?
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