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Europia - EU Superstate Yes/No?

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TacticalFox88 said:
Europe will never become a single state. It's a pipe dream at best.
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Ya, cause like it's not like all the framework is already in place and continued assertion of power from emerging nations will increasingly reduce the influence and relevance of European countries.
 
Major what if question...


If eventually the UK decides to throw in with the EU and form a super-state, would that make the falklands part of said super-state?
 
The UK were against joining Germany during WW2 and I'm sure they'll be against it now :P

Hard to imagine a EU superstate without Germany somehow holding a good amount if not most of the power.
 
wienke said:
The UK were against joining Germany during WW2 and I'm sure they'll be against it now :P

Hard to imagine a EU superstate without Germany somehow holding a good amount if not most of the power.
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wienke said:
The UK were against joining Germany during WW2 and I'm sure they'll be against it now :P

Hard to imagine a EU superstate without Germany somehow holding a good amount if not most of the power.
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80 million vs 500 million?

Power has always rested principally with the Big Three - Britain, Germany and France.

Also, the UK itself proposed an Imperial union with France during that same war.
 
GCX said:
In common English Scandinavia usually includes Finland as well since culturally and politically it's so close to Norway/Sweden/Denmark.
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I know, but that doesn't make it right. It's kind of like including Mexico as a US state.

Yes, culturally all of the nordic countries are similar (but really, our culture is very similar to that of the US as well). However, while the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian languages are very closely related, Finnish is completely different (not even part of the same language family). Also, Finns are not ethnically as closely related to ethnic Scandinavians as we are to each other.
 
RoadHazard said:
I know, but that doesn't make it right. It's kind of like including Mexico as a US state.

Yes, culturally all of the nordic countries are similar (but really, our culture is very similar to that of the US as well). However, while the Swedish, Danish and Norwegian languages are very closely related, Finnish is completely different (not even part of the same language family). Also, Finns are not ethnically as closely related to ethnic Scandinavians as we are to each other.
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To be honest, the term is a mess anyway. If you look at it in a cultural or political context you can certainly make an argument for including Finland. Things get even worse if you look at it from a geographical context though, as Denmark hasn't owned any parts of the Scandinavian peninsula for hundreds of years. On the other hand, part of northern Finland is part of the peninsula, so you could technically make an argument for Norway, Sweden, Finland and excluding Denmark.
 
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No.
 
If my country learned anything from its history it's that in Europe you cannot really trust anyone but yourself. So as long as this euro-schizophrenia persists ("So yeah, today we're an Union, tomorrow we're back to being separate countries because it fits our particular interests better, but next day we'll be Union again, I promise!") I don't see any possibility for real European Federation. In fact, Europe should make up its mind already, I'm sure most of us have some other possible alliances in mind and looking at Asia and South America time IS a factor.
 
Enkidu said:
To be honest, the term is a mess anyway. If you look at it in a cultural or political context you can certainly make an argument for including Finland. Things get even worse if you look at it from a geographical context though, as Denmark hasn't owned any parts of the Scandinavian peninsula for hundreds of years. On the other hand, part of northern Finland is part of the peninsula, so you could technically make an argument for Norway, Sweden, Finland and excluding Denmark.
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Sure, but I'm simply stating facts here. And the fact is that Scandinavia = Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Whether that makes geographical sense or not, it's the truth.
 
Sir Fragula said:
There is nothing lamer than British [unionist] propaganda art.
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The union doesn't them anyways. It's anglo-economics that got us into this current mess after all. (I KID.) But to be serious for a second, there are different models proposed for a federation. One proposed model is a sort of dynamic federation in which states could periodically alter their membership. Not exactly sure how that would work, but i've read something along those lines.
 
WARCOCK said:
Ya, cause like it's not like all the framework is already in place and continued assertion of power from emerging nations will increasingly reduce the influence and relevance of European countries.
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And look how much trouble that has caused in forming an effective response to the financial crises. The barriers to this dream are language and cultural differences, now I will never say never but a whole lot more integration is required.
 
Europe becoming one nation? Nah, it's been tried before, it didn't work out. :p

I suppose the EU becoming a federation of largely autonomous states like the USA is inevitable in the long term, though. I wouldn't really mind, either.

We Brits will do whatever we want either way.
 
The U.S.E. would need one strong hand.
Someone who hold the reins with an iron grip. No backtalk from others. Everyone must be behind this man, in one unity.
Everything else would probably end in chaos and anarchy.
 
iamaustrian said:
The U.S.E. would need one strong hand.
Someone who hold the reins with an iron grip. No backtalk from others. Everyone must be behind this man, in one unity.
Everything else would probably end in chaos and anarchy.
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"What is life? Life is the Nation. The individual must die anyway. Beyond the life of the individual is the Nation."
 
iamaustrian said:
The U.S.E. would need one strong hand.
Someone who hold the reins with an iron grip. No backtalk from others. Everyone must be behind this man, in one unity.
Everything else would probably end in chaos and anarchy.
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Are there any suitable candidates in Austria?
 
RoadHazard said:
Sure, but I'm simply stating facts here. And the fact is that Scandinavia = Sweden, Norway and Denmark. Whether that makes geographical sense or not, it's the truth.
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I thought geographical stuff was always the no. 1 reason to why Finland is excluded from Scandinavia.

From cultural point of view Finland was part of Sweden for 600 years and Swedish is still our second official language aka everyone has to study it. Politically we share the same social democratic system as every other Nordic country.

Why is it so disturbing that in common English Finland is usually included in Scandinavia? I mean, when that happens there's always a mob shouting "Oh god get Finland out of there asap!"
 
If Europa Univeralis has ever taught me, it's that there will never ever be a unified European power.
 
speedpop said:
If Europa Univeralis has ever taught me, it's that there will never ever be a unified European power.
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I don't remember curent Europe being a mess of religion and house feud though...
Heck there's not even a cassus belli in Europe right now!
 
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So start fucking, and you'll be able to combine pleasure and work
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Therefore, you have just proven that no job = a job
 
Mael said:
I don't remember curent Europe being a mess of religion and house feud though...
Heck there's not even a cassus belli in Europe right now!
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As long as Berlusconi is in power, there is always a diplomatic insult casus belli somewhere in Europe.
 
Kabouter said:
As long as Berlusconi is in power, there is always a diplomatic insult casus belli somewhere in Europe.
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Well yeah but certainly nothing like the rift that we had during the religion wars or when some king decided to create his own religion because his wife was less good looking than some other fox he was chasing.
 
If the Queen becomes the symbolic head of this super state, the euro replaced with the £, the flag replaced by the union flag (perhaps with some faint stars watermark), then we will reluctantly put our support behind this. We are reasonable after all.
 
kottila said:
Last picture is not entirely correct, Sweden "owned" Norway for 90 years after Denmark lost us.
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I know it is far more complicated than that. Just to end the discussion about Scandinavia vs. the Nordic countries.
 
I say the issue of who is going to play the "strong hand" nation role be settled through football. 2012.

Now let the British show the rest of Europe how fearsome and dominant they truly are :D
 
WARCOCK said:
I say the issue of who is going to play the "strong hand" nation role be settled through football. 2012.

Now let the British show the rest of Europe how fearsome and dominant they truly are :D
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The British fearsome?
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WARCOCK said:
I say the issue of who is going to play the "strong hand" nation role be settled through football. 2012.

Now let the British show the rest of Europe how fearsome and dominant they truly are :D
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The same British that couldn't do diddly squat against a french team that was basically recovering from it's worst episode ever?
 
Oh, some of you Brits are just so cute being all defiant and resolute. Like a children throwing hissy fits in a sandbox unless others acknowledge how special they are. But no amount of crying will change the fact that you're still part of Europe. We on the continent acknowledge this and let you play with us regardless of how exceptional you think you are.

You're one of us, deal with it already.
 
Jasup said:
Oh, some of you Brits are just so cute being all defiant and resolute. Like a children throwing hissy fits in a sandbox unless others acknowledge how special they are. But no amount of crying will change the fact that you're still part of Europe. We on the continent acknowledge this and let you play with us regardless of how exceptional you think you are.

You're one of us, deal with it already.
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Europe is a landmass located off the coast of the United Kingdom.

;o)
 
Jasup said:
Oh, some of you Brits are just so cute being all defiant and resolute. Like a children throwing hissy fits in a sandbox unless others acknowledge how special they are. But no amount of crying will change the fact that you're still part of Europe. We on the continent acknowledge this and let you play with us regardless of how exceptional you think you are.

You're one of us, deal with it already.
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Bailing out Greece? Nah you're alright there fella.

Real talk, if:

France
Germany
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Austria
Belgium
Netherlands
and progressive eastern European countries

wanna make a union, I'm well up for it

while you've got club med I don't wanna be a part of it. Too much laziness and maintenance to be worth it.
 
Meadows said:
Bailing out Greece? Nah you're alright there fella.

Real talk, if:

France
Germany
Denmark
Norway
Sweden
Finland
Austria
Belgium
Netherlands
and progressive eastern European countries

wanna make a union, I'm well up for it

while you've got club med I don't wanna be a part of it. Too much laziness and maintenance to be worth it.
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Wouldn't it be easier if you just GTFO of the EU?
But don't come back crying when we make it harder for your goods to be sold on the continent...
 
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