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[luka]

Uh, Tom Cruise looked good in that film, I suppose. How noble of him to mingle with the noble savages. Fluffy hair.

Ken Watanabe was the only true star of the movie. How noble of him to mingle with crazy Cruise.

I just find it funny, you had "Last of the Mohicans" where it was not a Mohican, "Last Samurai" where it wasn't a samurai, what was it "Pathfinder" where it wasn't a viking, Hollywood just looks for excuses to cast a white American in their attempt to appeal to the audience but it's so insulting. Last of the Mohicans was even an awesome movie and in all honesty Last Samurau wasn't that bad but would they have been any worse had the main character not been American? I don't think so. I never watched Pathfinder because it looked terrible so I won't comment on that.

I always figured "the last samurai" wasn't referring to Cruise but Watanabe (

Spoiler

he is the last samurai to die on the battlefield. Cruise just sits there and looks pretty

).

 

[InfiniteNine]

Wasn't the whole point of the movie that he felt sorry for raping and killing Native Americans in the war, so he becomes a drunk and then gets shipped off to Japan to atone for his sins?

He was an insert character for western audiences to relate to. The star of the film was Katsumoto he was "The Last Samurai".

 

[Pandaman]

Wasn't the whole point of the movie that he felt sorry for raping and killing Native Americans in the war, so he becomes a drunk and then gets shipped off to Japan to atone for his sins?

pretty sure he shipped out for more booze money. even before he was captured the movie had already made a point to distinguish that the samurai were not some random indigenous people like the natives, but a cultural worldview. 'course the beheading scene retarded that distinction in the characters eyes for quite some time.

 

[Jintor]

Ken Watanabe was the only true star of the movie. How noble of him to mingle with crazy Cruise.

Ken Watanabe is the star of every movie.

 

[firehawk12]

He was an insert character for western audiences to relate to. The star of the film was Katsumoto he was "The Last Samurai".

The film begins in the summer of 1876, introducing Captain Nathan Algren (Tom Cruise), a disenchanted ex-United States Army captain and an alcoholic, who is traumatized by his past transgressions against Native Americans during the Indian Wars. In the years following his army service, Algren makes his living by relating war stories to gun show audiences, an experience which further hampers his mental state.

That's what I remember most about the movie. :lol

 

[InfiniteNine]

That's what I remember most about the movie. :lol

You where paying attention to the wrong parts of the movie then! )<

 

[Jex]

I just find it funny, you had "Last of the Mohicans" where it was not a Mohican, "Last Samurai" where it wasn't a samurai, what was it "Pathfinder" where it wasn't a viking, Hollywood just looks for excuses to cast a white American in their attempt to appeal to the audience but it's so insulting. Last of the Mohicans was even an awesome movie and in all honesty Last Samurau wasn't that bad but would they have been any worse had the main character not been American? I don't think so. I never watched Pathfinder because it looked terrible so I won't comment on that.

Apparently you're confusing who the film star was in.

He was an insert character for western audiences to relate to. The star of the film was Katsumoto he was "The Last Samurai".

Indeed. Although we didn't really want to relate too him that much.

Do people not read their texts closely any more? Is it not obvious that the serial killers in teen slashers are metaphors for sex? Or that zombies represent social upheaval? Or that gangsters are christ?

Damn you G Gundam! You're so awesome that no-one can miss that yours is truly a story about love!

 

[Salazar]

Do people not read their texts closely any more? Is it not obvious that the serial killers in teen slashers are metaphors for sex? Or that zombies represent social upheaval? Or that gangsters are christ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8

 

[firehawk12]

You where paying attention to the wrong parts of the movie then! )<

I was paying attention to the beginning of the movie, yes.

Do people not read their texts closely any more? Is it not obvious that the serial killers in teen slashers are metaphors for sex? Or that zombies represent social upheaval? Or that gangsters are christ?

Regardless of whether Cruise or Watanabe is the main character, the film is still about fetishizing the past and the dangers of progress - whether it's wiping out Native Americans or "the last samurai".

 

[Dresden]

Watanabe may have outstaged Cruise in the movie, but the plot was still about Cruise's transformation more than anything else. That was one of the complaints people had with the movie, even--Cruise's shift just wasn't very interesting, especially since we'd seen it all before.

 

[Jintor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8

That doesn't seem related. But it had Simon Pegg pecking viciously at the camera, so I'll give you that.

 

[faridmon]

anime gaf: recommend me shit awesome OVA's like Denpa teki na Kanojo. I know about Black Lagoon's OVA seaon which saddens me since it's not a new season but if there's any anything even remotely related to Black Lagoon or Denpa teki na Kanojo in terms of ultra violence, mild to whatever nudity, sadistic brutality and/or action, post them OVA's!!

I don't mind OVA's from the 90's too.

Watch Demon Prince Dante. MY favourite OVA ever made.

 

[duckroll]

Watch Demon Prince Dante. MY favourite OVA ever made.

OVA?

 

[Salazar]

That doesn't seem related. But it had Simon Pegg pecking viciously at the camera, so I'll give you that.

Well, it demonstrated the seamlessness within a sturdy cinematic scheme of so radical a substitution as that of men in overalls for birds.

And it's great, and I need only a very slim excuse.

 

[Jex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLToN2pjik8

Okay, well played sir.

For some works it's just very overt, of course. Jin-Roh is about men being turned into beats. Wolf's Rain is about the quest for an ideal place. Giant Robo is about family. Ghost in the Shell is about the evolution of humans/loss of humanity. A.D. Police files is about the evolution of humans/loss of humanity. Ghost in the Shell : Innocence is about wikipedia.
Monster is about man's ability to change and the value of all human life. Akkikan is a warning against the dangers of brand loyalty.

 

[Jintor]

Well, it demonstrated the seamlessness within a sturdy cinematic scheme of so radical a substitution as that of men in overalls for birds.

And it's great, and I need only a very slim excuse.

I wasn't sure if the joke was that birds were originally a metaphor for the working class in the movie or that you could seamlessly replace the birds with the working class and the metaphor that kicked in suddenly became hilarious instead of terrifying

Damn that was funny though

 

[Dresden]

Oh, really liking Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru so far. Feels more like Natsu no Arashi. And my favorite opening so far this season--you can't go wrong with dancing maids.

 

[firehawk12]

Oh, really liking Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru so far. Feels more like Natsu no Arashi. And my favorite opening so far this season--you can't go wrong with dancing maids.

Sold. SHAFT wins again?

 

[Dresden]

Sold. SHAFT wins again?

Shinbo victoly.

And Chiaki Omigawa sounds the same in every role she does, but I can't hate. She's Jun.

 

[Lafiel]

Oh, really liking Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru so far. Feels more like Natsu no Arashi. And my favorite opening so far this season--you can't go wrong with dancing maids.

All SHAFT shows start off great based on their first episode. Then they spiral into mediocrity. (exception being bakemonogatari of course).

 

[firehawk12]

pretty sure he shipped out for more booze money. even before he was captured the movie had already made a point to distinguish that the samurai were not some random indigenous people like the natives, but a cultural worldview. 'course the beheading scene retarded that distinction in the characters eyes for quite some time.

I'm sure some Native Americans consider the samurai a "random indigenous people" and that their own way of living represented a "cultural worldview". :lol
It's replacing one form ancient culture with another. I don't meant to hate, because as macodin implies, this type of narrative is as old as colonialism.

Shinbo victoly.

And Chiaki Omigawa sounds the same in every role she does, but I can't hate. She's Jun.

Might as well say it now since it's inevitable: Hatters gonna hat.

All SHAFT shows start off great based on their first episode. Then they spiral into mediocrity. (exception being bakemonogatari of course).

Wow, beaten. :lol

 

[faridmon]

OVA?

Isn't......?

 

[InfiniteNine]

Oh, really liking Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru so far. Feels more like Natsu no Arashi. And my favorite opening so far this season--you can't go wrong with dancing maids.

Liked the Natsu no Arashi manga when I used to follow it so I'll give it a shot. Plus SHAFT gave me Maria+Holic so I feel compelled to.

 

[Dresden]

All SHAFT shows start off great based on their first episode. Then they spiral into mediocrity. (exception being bakemonogatari of course).

The manga is actually quite good, so I have faith. I just need to believe. It's all about that source material--Maria Holic and Arakawa were both pretty flawed from the get-go.

 

[Jex]

All SHAFT shows start off great based on their first episode. Then they spiral into mediocrity. (exception being bakemonogatari of course).

I thought Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei fluctuated pretty wildly, rather than simple nose dive.

Arakawa is pretty consistent as well.

 

[Lafiel]

Wow, beaten.

It's so true in the case of any other non-bakemonogatari show I've seen - I liked the first episode of maria-holic and arakawa under the bridge - but i quickly dropped them past the first two episodes.:lol

Still have to see sayonara zetsubou sensei though. I wonder if it follows that same trend?

 

[InfiniteNine]

I thought Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei fluctuated pretty wildly, rather than simple nose dive.

Arakawa is pretty consistent as well.

Yeah, SZB sensei fluctuated in enjoyment for me a lot. Some episodes where better than others but it was generally enjoyable. I still need to see the last season though.

 

[Dresden]

Why oh why oh why did they have to cast Omigawa for this role.

Why.

Why.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Still have to see sayonara zetsubou sensei though. I wonder if it follows that same trend?

Inconsistent more than anything else. Although the first season was superior to all the others that followed it. But you still get flashes of brilliance later on, just not as often.

And speaking of bad shows from SHAFT, Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind. I think Shinbo was the director for that as well? :lol

 

[firehawk12]

It's so true in the case of any other non-bakemonogatari show I've seen - I liked the first episode of maria-holic and arakawa under the bridge - but i quickly dropped them past the first two episodes.:lol

Still have to see sayonara zetsubou sensei though. I wonder if it follows that same trend?

With Maria Holic, it's the content that makes it "bad". I like every Shinbo/SHAFT project though, from SZS to Hidamari Sketch, so I'm probably not the most objective person.

 

[Lafiel]

And speaking of bad shows from SHAFT, Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind

Skimming through the pages of the first volume of that was enough to turn me off that series for good.

I like every Shinbo/SHAFT project though, from SZS to Hidamari Sketch, so I'm probably not the most objective person.

I've been meaning to see hidamari sketch!

 

[Jex]

I've been meaning to see hidamari sketch!

Which reminds me, you watched Future Boy Conan, but have you seen Nadia (considering they're both classic adventures).

 

[Lafiel]

Which reminds me, you watched Future Boy Conan, but have you seen Nadia (considering they're both classic adventures).

Well, it's on my list of anime-i-plan-to-watch. It's been on there since 2009. So i probably should get around to it sooner.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Well, it's on my list of anime-i-plan-to-watch. It's been on there since 2009. So i probably should get around to it sooner.

I'm pretty sure 90% of Ghibli films have been on my to watch list for years, so that isn't too bad! It also looks like RightStuf is down right now for some reason I wanted to see how much some sets for some series are priced. ):

 

[Salazar]

I'm pretty sure 90% of Ghibli films have been on my to watch list for years.

I will boost for Pom Poko.

Film was goddamned wonderful.

 

[Kettch]

Shinbo victoly.

And Chiaki Omigawa sounds the same in every role she does, but I can't hate. She's Jun.

I still have an irrational hatred of her after the horrible Maka role. At least the character fits her a little better here, but eh. :/

 

[Dresden]

That was great. Loved it. My favorite opening episode thus far in the season. Maybe Kuragehime will dethrone it once again. In love with the opening and the ending as well.

I still have an irrational hatred of her after the horrible Maka role. At least the character fits her a little better here, but eh. :/

I thought she was decent here, at first... then the episode goes on and, well, here's my reaction:

Why oh why oh why did they have to cast Omigawa for this role.

Why.

Why.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

 

[Jex]

New Getter Robo 5 :

Oh lord.

 

[Haly]

Wait people dislike Maria + Holic?

It has everything! Harem, trap, lesbian, megane, meido, loli catgirl dorm supervisor god, and even a lovable tentacle monster!

Also Yu Kobayashi.

 

[Dresden]

Wait people dislike Maria + Holic?

It has everything! Harems, traps, lesbians, meganes, meidos, loli catgirl god dorm supervisor, and even a lovable tentacle monster!

Also Yu Kobayashi.

I think it had the best trap, maid, dorm supervisor, and tentacle monster in recent years, plus Yu Kobayashi, but somehow it managed to get boring after three or so episodes. For me at least.

 

[Haly]

But you'd marry Kobayashi's voice if you could, right?

How was it boring

 

[Salazar]

New Getter Robo 5 :

Oh lord.

I'll save this pic, if I may. This being GAF, I imagine there will be a use for it.

 

[duckroll]

I think I've detected a continuity error in Baccano.

Scene A1: Firo and Maiza are in the hat store shopping picking a hat for Firo, they leave and bump into Isaac and Miria entering the store.

Scene A2: Firo and Maiza walk along the road talking, and notice a fire just a block away. Firo runs to investigate.

Scene A3: Firo is looking at the burning building, and Ennis bumps into him as she's leaving.

-----

Scene B1: Isaac and Miria enter the hat store and shop for a ton of hats and disguises, taking their time. They pay and leave.

Scene B2: Issac and Miria talk as they walk along the road, and eventually start dancing and get hit by a car driven by Ennis.

-----

Scene C1: Ennis is driving the car which hits Isaac and Miria. She's driving Szilard to the secret headquarters.

Scene C2: Ennis and Szilard arrive, and he discusses the matter with his group before ordering Ennis to go fetch Burns. She leaves.

Scene C3: Ennis arrives at where Burns is supposed to be but finds the place on fire, and then she bumps into Firo.



It seems to me that there's a serious continuity error here, because the time difference between scenes A1 through A3 cannot be more than a matter of minutes. Yet scenes B1 through C3 are all supposed to take place chronologically inbetween scenes A1 through A3. This is pretty much... impossible. By the time Firo gets to the burning building, Ennis would still be driving the car and possibly hitting Isaac and Miria at the same time. What gives?

 

[Dresden]

But you'd marry Kobayashi's voice if you could, right?

How was it boring

Well, yes, I'd marry her voice. I just thought the jokes got old and asides from Maria, his maid, and God, I didn't like any of the cast.

And good god is Omigawa horrible in Sore Shaft Meido. I wish Yui Horie or someone far more competent had taken the role. Her nasal voice makes me want to punch something.

 

[mAcOdIn]

I think it had the best trap, maid, dorm supervisor, and tentacle monster in recent years, plus Yu Kobayashi, but somehow it managed to get boring after three or so episodes. For me at least.

Lol, that's true, but aside from Yu Kobayashi those are all things I don't really care for.

I thought Maria+Holic was pretty dull too, not that it didn't look spiffy going nowhere but it didn't do anything for me.

 

[firehawk12]

Well, yes, I'd marry her voice. I just thought the jokes got old and asides from Maria, his maid, and God, I didn't like any of the cast.

And good god is Omigawa horrible in Sore Shaft Meido. I wish Yui Horie or someone far more competent had taken the role. Her nasal voice makes me want to punch something.

Makes me want to watch this thing even more now. What's wrong with her voice? :lol

But yeah, Maria Holic didn't really do much for me either, other than the Shinboisms and Kobayashi.

OreImo 2: This episode turned into a GAF thread, with a debate about moe and "teen complexes" (whatever that is). Kind of not feeling this at all... I hope that "turn" happens sooner rather than later, just to change it up.

 

[duckroll]

Baccono - Episode 8:

This episode further confirms that Isaac and Miria are characters created to operate "outside" of the rules of the world and the show. They serve the primary purpose of lifting the mood of the plot above the dark and bleak outlook for pretty much all the other characters. Especially after the revealations in episode 7, it seems clear that Isaac and Miria are meant to represent the unique viewpoint of humans who simply want to live their lives the way they want to without giving a damn about what society expects out of good and evil, or profit and loss. They simply want to have a good time and they want everyone else they meet to have a good time too. It remains to be seen if such a carefree and irresponsible outlook on life will be rewarded or punished in the narrative...


Baccono - Episode 9:

I'm pretty convinced that pretty much every major character on board the Flying Pussyfoot is insane. The show does a pretty good job and showcasing different moods and emotions, changing the range and atmosphere very quickly from episode to episode. Here, the level of insanity is raised bit by bit.

First by the revelations about Claire are meant to gross the viewer out, and to show how disturbed an otherwise normal character (previously depicted) can actually be. Then the reactions to the murders by Ladd shows that he is just as disturbed, if not more so, because of his inability to control his joy over seeing the result of such carnage. Does that make him even more of a monster? Possibly.

But the episode isn't content to end there, it climaxes with a more shocking, although somewhat telegraphed, scene showing that even an otherwise unsuspecting character on board the train is just as twisted and open to enabling death and destruction of innocents on the train.

If there's one thing the show is trying hard to drive home, it has to be that most of the people on board the Flying Pussyfoot were doomed from the start. It isn't just bad luck, or a single factor which would lead to their doom, but that the combination of passengers on this ride are such that the train has to be indeed cursed. :lol

 

[Salazar]

Baccono - Episode 8:

This episode further confirms that Isaac and Miria are characters created to operate "outside" of the rules of the world and the show.

(Baccano Ending Spoilers)

Spoiler

It is such a marvellously affecting thing that they don't appear to care (to know ?) that they are immortal. It is even a peculiar idea to phrase, to consider, but I think it's an active part of their charm. They are making the most of the gift of immortality by doing precisely that - by not dwelling on it.

I love the scene on the train when they cheer up Jacuzzi. So damned good.

 

[Jex]

Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru - That was hella Shinbo. Certainly more restrained than his Bakomonogatari or Maria Holic opening though - this one had censorship!

It was the same kind of overt film form that he's known for, as well as his 'unique' editing style. He's been called "the irrational surgeon" for good reason. We even get a couple of dolly zooms (he seems to love them) and a lot of impossible camera work - like cameras directly under the floor coming up and around people.

Still surprised to see that no one at SHAFT has drawn a new school table yet.

Postcard memory time!

 

[faridmon]

About Sayonara Zetsubo Sensei and its variabilty of enjoyment:

I don't know about teh Anime, but Vol. 6 of SZS is the best and the most funniest vol. of SZS. I guess the Mangaka was trying different waters and experimenting and now he just nailed the point of the Manga. I bet big time the upcoming Vols. is going to be blast, and whoever (in thread) is afraid of SZS losing its steam, fear not. This is one hell of an Intellectual Property.

and Duckroll: Wait untill you watch the OVAs of Baccano and you will see how insanity doesn't stop at Flying Pussy.

Man I just love Baccano. One of my favourite Anime of all time

 

[InfiniteNine]

Bakuman Episode 02:
Enjoying this very much although I tend to overlook a lot of things if the subject is drawing. Which is why I watched Sketchbook ~Full Color's~ despite it being a bit too slow for me. Hoping it starts picking up steam when they reach the studio.