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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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faridmon said:
and Duckroll: Wait untill you watch the OVAs of Baccano and you will see how insanity doesn't stop at Flying Pussy.
Or not! The extra episodes feel just as tacked on as they actually are, and it even chides you for needing to watch them. ;)

duckroll said:
The argument for honorifics is flawed if you automatically assume that there should be a 1:1 replacement for anything in Japanese into English. On the other hand, if you think in a more open minded way, you'll realize that all the context and implications of using honorifics in Japanese can be very easily substituted in English by simply writing the English dialogue in various ways.

For example, there are various different reasons why someone might use -sama in Japanese. This can range from a mark of respect or a sense of fear, to being condescending or patronizing. Depending on the emotion being implied in the sentence, the language used in English can get the exact same feeling across without using any sort of "replacement" for an honorific.

That is the art of quality localization which is lost on many editors and translators. The urge to pander to "hardcore" fans who want to compare every single line in Japanese to English is a mistake. Instead, if you have an English script which reads like it was written in English in the first place and does not betray the origin of the text, you have succeeded in localizing something perfectly.
Many anime fans feel on some level that the Japanese language is sacred, and the only reason that they let themselves deviate from it at all is because they can't be bothered to actually learn the language. So you get the desire for highly literal translation with various low-effort vocabulary left untranslated like "baka" or "keikaku". After all, when in doubt, throw in a translator's note!

Idioms? What are those?
 
InfiniteNine said:
Bakuman Episode 02:
Enjoying this very much although I tend to overlook a lot of things if the subject is drawing. Which is why I watched Sketchbook ~Full Color's~ despite it being a bit too slow for me. Hoping it starts picking up steam when they reach the studio.

I love the manga, but I don't think Bakuman makes for a very good anime from what I've seen. It's more dialogue driven, with very few actual events. I'd still like to see them spice it up somehow.

That laugh in the nurse's room was awesome though. :lol
 
Pokemon Best Wishes 3
Poor Pignition :( it's like gamefreaks treatment of fire pokemon in the games! Wotter is the best character.

Really like the ending and Team Rocket's new intro is better than their old one.
 
Baccano - Episode 10:

We finally get to meet Huey in the "present time". Some good action between Ladd and Chane. Not really much to talk about here, except that things are moving forward. This entire fear of "eat or be eaten" is really starting to sound like Highlander though.


Baccano - Episode 11:

Who's the biggest monster of them all? Ladd? Claire? Czeslaw? Szilard? This show is filled with contenders for the sickest bastard. Maiza seems to be a real weakling for an immortal though. It's really sort of unbelievable that he managed to survive for so long when there are others who could easily have overpowered him and killed him for the information.
 
Jexhius said:
Which reminds me, you watched Future Boy Conan, but have you seen Nadia (considering they're both classic adventures).

Nadia is like spectacularly dull. (so far)
 
Nadia is easily Anno's worst. It isn't bad, but it is, like Nonoriri said, riddled with dullness and the characterization is all over the place.

@Star Driver 2
Like Panty & Stocking, this show is a definite keeper. No matter how hard I try, I just can't resist to the "evil organization sits around to discuss their next course of action" trope.
 
Nonoriri said:
Nadia is like spectacularly dull. (so far)
Harsh, painful words.

Although it does depend where you are at in the story.
7Th said:
Nadia is easily Anno's worst. It isn't bad, but it is, like Nonoriri said, riddled with dullness and the characterization is all over the place.
We all know what this means people.
duckroll said:
Baccano - Episode 10:

We finally get to meet Huey in the "present time". Some good action between Ladd and Chane. Not really much to talk about here, except that things are moving forward. This entire fear of "eat or be eaten" is really starting to sound like Highlander though.


Baccano - Episode 11:

Who's the biggest monster of them all? Ladd? Claire? Czeslaw? Szilard? This show is filled with contenders for the sickest bastard. Maiza seems to be a real weakling for an immortal though. It's really sort of unbelievable that he managed to survive for so long when there are others who could easily have overpowered him and killed him for the information.
Urge to revisit series...rising...
 
Nadia is based on an unproduced treatment originally written by Miyazaki though, and Anno bails out when the filler eps start.

Actually, I liked how the show comes off as an Evangelion prototype, especially in the episodes running up to Anno's departure.
 
Baccano - Episode 12:

This episode is mostly a lead-up to all the final confrontations in the various different plot lines in the different years. Aside from the truly disturbing flashback to Czeslaw's past, the violence and "deaths" in this show have really lost all actual impact. I guess that's part of the point though, since if the viewer is already aware that certain characters are immortal later on, it stands to reason that we are not expected to actually be worried that those characters actually died after being killed in a past event.


Baccano - Episode 13:

Interesting and solid conclusion to a very unorthodox and rather curious series. Great episode title too. It sums up what the show is about quite well. It's not really about the destination (ending) but rather the journey, since from the start the show started the viewer on multiple journeys and it was clear that there would not be any clear single ending point in particular.

In retrospect, it makes the first episode even more interesting, because when the viewer looks back, it is very clear why Carole said a lot of the things she did. Ultimately while the train journey of the Flying Pussyfoot is the most dramatic and high impact event, it is by no means the "main" event of the story, nor does it really have any purpose in the larger scheme of things other than to connect the various characters journeying in 1931 from Chicago to New York. Most of the more important plot developments occurred the year before that.

It's pretty interesting how if taken on a whole, Firo is definitely one of the more suited characters to be the "main character" if the story was told in a linear context, but doing so would effectively mean the entire story would only focus the events of 1930. On the other hand, Isaac and Miria were involved in pretty much every aspect of story in one way or another, but yet they have no real role in the actual nature of any of the events.

That was a pretty enjoyable ride. I'll check out the remaining special episodes tomorrow I guess. Hopefully they're as entertaining as stories as the rest of the series was.
 
Hitokage said:
Nadia is based on an unproduced treatment originally written by Miyazaki though, and Anno bails out when the filler eps start.
There were no non-Anno episodes.

They need never be thought of.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
edit: ahhh I didn't notice I was on page 201 instead of 221, well, damn you animugaf for only advancing 26 pages while I was gone!!!
There's some catching up to do!

Star Driver 2 was excellent, again.
 
Dresden said:
Why oh why oh why did they have to cast Omigawa for this role.

Why.

Why.

WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

You know, if you didn't point this out I probably wouldn't have noticed. :lol
Maybe it's because she had smaller roles in everything else she's been in, so it never bothered me before.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
There is still a Sun Coast in my town, and they still sell everything at ridiculous prices (perhaps MSRP?) there!
Oh, I9 meant that Sun Coast? I was thinking of something else when it was mentioned. Mine died out (for good riddance). Only nearby one I knew of was located in a shopping mall. I remember getting my Gankutsuou DVDs individually from there and then being mad once I found out the prices online. I was naive then about internet shopping.
 
firehawk12 said:
You know, if you didn't point this out I probably wouldn't have noticed. :lol
Maybe it's because she had smaller roles in everything else she's been in, so it never bothered me before.
Her voice just... blares. It just doesn't feel right for the role at all. I'll get used to it, no doubt, but I'll complain incessantly along the way.

And I'm watching so much anime this season. Star Driver tonight, and I meant to check out Togainu no Chi and Yakumo (although I expect to get bored by the last two).
 
firehawk12 said:
You know, if you didn't point this out I probably wouldn't have noticed. :lol
Maybe it's because she had smaller roles in everything else she's been in, so it never bothered me before.
My ears, they bleed.
 
Dresden said:
Her voice just... blares. It just doesn't feel right for the role at all. I'll get used to it, no doubt, but I'll complain incessantly along the way.
Jexhius said:
My ears, they bleed.
It's funny because at times she sounds like a higher register version of Yuu Kobayashi, because she has the same scratchiness at the end of her sentences. Apparently that's enough to kill ears. :lol
 
firehawk12 said:
You know, if you didn't point this out I probably wouldn't have noticed. :lol
Maybe it's because she had smaller roles in everything else she's been in, so it never bothered me before.

You should of watched Soul Eater, her debut show. She was pretty rough let's say. I don't mind her VA but I can see why others do.

So others seem to like SoreDemo? Hurray. I will have to catch it tonight.
 
The Star Driver script keeps on giving :

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YESSSSSS!
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Well that sure put Kanon right at the top of my list.

Kanon has a lot less fanservice and cheap gags too. (Hell, I don't think there's any fanservice except for a brief bit in the first ep)

Almost the right time of year for me to watch it again...
 
Dresden said:
And speaking of bad shows from SHAFT, Dance in the Vampire Bund comes to mind. I think Shinbo was the director for that as well? :lol

I enjoyed Dance. Although the manga is better, I found the anime entertaining enough.
 
Joule said:
You should of watched Soul Eater, her debut show. She was pretty rough let's say. I don't mind her VA but I can see why others do.

So others seem to like SoreDemo? Hurray. I will have to catch it tonight.

Yeah, like Dresden said, it is very much like Natsu no Arashi.
 
Lain said:
I enjoyed Dance. Although the manga is better, I found the anime entertaining enough.
The anime was fine (I didn't even mind the fact that it totally deviated from the manga) until it went off the deep end with the ending. Now I'm not sure whether to be glad or not I haven't heard anything of a S2.

icarus-daedelus said:
Besides, I gotta finish Air the H Game first, so that my AIR experience is rich and full.
You know, you don't have to play the adult version. There are all-aged versions of the game too.

And Kanon is nice as a primer to Key philosophy and design, but it really isn't comparable to AIR. Or Clannad. (Sad girls in snow are nice though.)
 
So far the only thing that grabbed my attention is Index II, Bakuman and Ore no Imouto. Kuragehime will propably joing them (Brain Base are Gods and have never failed me :) )
 
OreImo Episode 02:
Pretty funny episode! The inital meetup made me feel a bit sad for Kirino, but Saori bringing her in afterward with Kuroneko made for an interesting turn. Kirino and Kuroneko fighting over type of anime is better made me laugh a bit with the insults at each others taste flying back and forth. The bit at the end with Kyousuke getting excited at the end made me want to go back and finish Flyable Heart. Overall an enjoyable episode!
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Infinite Ryvius 9 : At first I was mildly impressed that everyone was laughing at the ludicrous mecha, but then the show just went on to prove how awesome the mecha is, so it didn't successfully poke fun at the robot genre very well.

And suddenly we get zero-g fanservice? There's tiny bit early on, then suddenly we get a whole frame full of it. Ah well

And someone get these women off the bridge! Men are trying to work.
 
icecream said:
The anime was fine (I didn't even mind the fact that it totally deviated from the manga) until it went off the deep end with the ending. Now I'm not sure whether to be glad or not I haven't heard anything of a S2.

Is the ending really that bad? I'll be honest, I still have to watch the last episode, as I didn't feel too strong a need to follow the anime after I started buying the manga.
 
AdrianWerner said:
So far the only thing that grabbed my attention is Index II, Bakuman and Ore no Imouto. Kuragehime will propably joing them (Brain Base are Gods and have never failed me :) )
Panty&stocking > all those shows.:P

Or not! The extra episodes feel just as tacked on as they actually are, and it even chides you for needing to watch them. ;)
Yeah i still haven't gotten around to watching those extra episodes because you said something along these lines in a previous thread.
 
Nadia - I've only watched the first three episodes of the series, but it seems okay but not incredibly interesting. I do have the whole series, but I haven't been watching it much, obviously... just not sure if it's interesting enough. Does it get better as you get farther along? Or do you mean that it gets worse... hmm. If I watch more of it I guess I'll see.

firehawk12 said:
7.5 was... mostly a moe-service episode. The girls get drunk and have happy hijinks together.

Yeah, and it was entertaining, fun stuff. Fluff sure, but good stuff. And how often do these "group of girls" shows have the girls getting drunk? :)

The Roman legend is that the maidens tried to save the angel and the villagers tried to kill them when they found out. The Helvetican version is that the angel was dying and the maidens sacrificed themselves in order to stop its bleeding.
It's funny, because Kanata being selected to perform the ceremony is another example of contrition on everyone's part.

Yeah, definitely.

icarus-daedelus said:
Well that sure put Kanon right at the top of my list.

Sarcasm? I'm not sure... oh wait.

icarus-daedelus said:
It's going to take a little more than "second best harem after Love Hina" and "it's just so uguuuu~" to make me want to watch Kanon, though. Either version. Although a sparkle-free 13 episodes (according to a friend) sounds more appealing than 26 episodes full of 16:9 sparkly goodness. @w@

Besides, I gotta finish Air the H Game first, so that my AIR experience is rich and full.

I know I compared it to Love Hina, but the two are very different, of course. Kanon's a drama, as you expect from Key, while Love Hina is a comedy of course. I just mentioned it because it was my favorite harem series, and Kanon was second.

As for Kanon though, probably watch the 2002 13 episode version first. The story is the same but because it's shorter it moves at a faster pace. The art isn't as good, certainly, and it doesn't have the KyoAni look at that the remake does, but if you don't mind that, it's definitely worth a watch. Then watch the 2006 remake if you liked it, and see how you think they compare. I think I might like the original version more, but the remake is definitely good too.

You definitely should watch Kanon though, if you like Key at all.

(Oh, for the 2002 version, it was 12 episodes plus an OVA that is episode 13. Don't skip the OVA.)

Tranced Shadow said:
Kanon has a lot less fanservice and cheap gags too. (Hell, I don't think there's any fanservice except for a brief bit in the first ep)

Almost the right time of year for me to watch it again...

That's true, Kanon has very little fanservice. The original game of course is an H-game, but the anime probably has even less fanservice than Air. Kanon isn't a fanservice show.

What it does have, though, are lots of sad girls in snow. That does make it hard to resist... :) Still though it's not as depressing as Air, and I like it much more overall. Better story, better characters.

Hellsing321 said:
2nd episode of Oreimo was great. As others have said, it felt like watching the Anime thread. :lol

That scary, huh? :)
 
AdrianWerner said:
So far the only thing that grabbed my attention is Index II, Bakuman and Ore no Imouto. Kuragehime will propably joing them (Brain Base are Gods and have never failed me :) )
What about Akikan?
A Black Falcon said:
Nadia - I've only watched the first three episodes of the series, but it seems okay but not incredibly interesting. I do have the whole series, but I haven't been watching it much, obviously... just not sure if it's interesting enough. Does it get better as you get farther along? Or do you mean that it gets worse... hmm. If I watch more of it I guess I'll see.
Much, much better. As long as you don't watch the Island episodes, which don't exist anyway.

Not to mention the best Omake of all time. It's brings a tear to my eye every time.
 
Jexhius said:
Infinite Ryvius 9 : At first I was mildly impressed that everyone was laughing at the ludicrous mecha, but then the show just went on to prove how awesome the mecha is, so it didn't successfully poke fun at the robot genre very well.

And suddenly we get zero-g fanservice? There's tiny bit early on, then suddenly we get a whole frame full of it. Ah well

That was certainly odd. There haven't been any panty shots since then either, so not sure what the deal with that was.
 
Star Driver Episode 02:
Another mostly dull episode. I'll probably end up dropping this in an episode or two if it doesn't pick up, and the fight this time wasn't all too exciting at all. The glass thing was pretty amusing at the beginning though.
 
InfiniteNine said:
Star Driver Episode 02:
Another mostly dull episode. I'll probably end up dropping this in an episode or two if it doesn't pick up, and the fight this time wasn't all too exciting at all. The glass thing was pretty amusing at the beginning though.
Filthy lies.
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Although the fight was problematic - I blame the 30 second bout of talking in the middle, the fact that we don't feel the hero is in any danger and he wins with a pretty overpowered move.
I'll blame the episode director then. I'm sure his talents were required for Code Geass.
icarus-daedelus said:
The artificial angst is less wangsty and more amusing, I think, than Oniisama e..., which is the same sort of thing but without a sense of humor about itself.
Eh, I like my business serious. Knowing Riyoko Ikeda, I was expecting multiple characters to die.
 
icarus-daedelus said:
Everything Yumi does is amazing. Her OTT inner angst monologues about Sachiko (especially the chocolates episode, in season 1 :lol) are the best. Does Sachiko like Toko more than me in that totally platonic friends type of way?! Gasp gasp shock noooooo!!! (Of course she doesn't, dummy! What show about closeted catholic schoolgirls do you think you are on, here?!) I gotta get around to watching season 4 some time, that show is too entertaining to not finish. The artificial angst is less wangsty and more amusing, I think, than Oniisama e..., which is the same sort of thing but without a sense of humor about itself.

Probably the most wangsty moment of the series is during the boy's school festival thing when Sachiko is separated from Yumi for like 10 minutes and starts freaking out. But yeah, there isn't weird attempted seductions and being locked in a closet and whanot. :lol

The author started writing books about the boy's school and Yumi's brother, which I'd be interested in checking out if only because of that cross dressing/queer character who is readily and unconditionally accepted by everyone around him... and you also have what I imagine will be the funny OoFuri thing of a female author unintentionally queering male homosocial relationships. But I can't imagine that anyone will ever fan-translate those books. (It's also called Buddha Watches Over Us, or something like that, which is awesome).


Jexhius said:
What about Akikan?
Strike Witches is the voice of our generation. :(
 
Yay todays my 24 hour staff duty so I had enough time to catch up on all the new shows of the season. This season has nothing groundbreaking but plenty of guilty pleasures~

Index II - Welcome back, I got bored of the first season but the Railgun spinoff got me interested in the series again. Twas a throwaway episode but promising.

Fortune Arterial - This has to be based on a dating sim game, but manages to avoid enough pitfalls to not be generic and boring. The male lead ins't a wimp and the whole vampire thing makes the harem thing a lil dangerous :3

Otome Yokai Zakuro - Reminds me heavily of Sakura Wars with the singing and the time period. I'm, watching this for sure, it is so pretty~

The World God Only Knows - The premise tickles my fancy, the only problem is that if each girl that gets conquererd only gets one episode.. they won't get fleshed out enough >.>

Tamayura - Aria meets photography? S'very cute

Ore no Imouto - I was sure I was going to hate this but noo.. it isn't about incest? I'm generally not into the bitchy anime girls but I kinda like the little sister. I'm confused but want more

Bungaku Shoujo Memoir - what- an anime about a girl who eats books? Oh Japan~

Yosuga no Sora - the guy is too perfect, every females who sees him wants to jump on his dick <.< Ohh incest, nay twincest I'm soo watching this >:D

Panty & Stocking - wtf is this shit, the first episode entertained me with the shock value but it better have more substance then crude humor to keep my interest. *sigh* if only the entire show ditched the shitty cartoon network style and was entire in the strip club transformation scene style <3

Samurai Girls - Why couldn't Ikki Tousen have this animation quality, I liek bewbies and warrior ladies :3

Still need to wwatch - Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Bakuman, Psychic Detective Yakumo, Super Robot Wars OG: The Inspector, Iron Man, Star Driver.
 
Panty and Stocking Episode 03-04:
ZzZzZzZ.... Pretty boring episodes. Whoever was incharge of the episodes shouldn't work on the show again since doing short entertaining stories isn't their thing.
 
The animation in Macross Frontier makes me cry. Ep 10 was some borderline epic knife shit.
 
firehawk12 said:
The Last Samurai sucks! ;)
As long as there aren't any honourifics involved!

Did I mention how Oh! Edo Rocket had a Shakespearian obsession with seeming? Pretty much every single named character was afflicted.
 
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