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Fanservice Designs (That Are Justifiable)

Morrigan Stark said:
You are 100% correct. I wouldn't mind Eva being sexy/seductive if there was at least some class to it, some subtlety, but the way she's designed, she'd only seduce a brain-dead teenager.

Guess that says a lot about Snake that the super-soldier is so easily swindled LOL. Stupid fucking Kojima.
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Crossing Eden said:
It's less about being flawless human beings and more an example of how bad sex positivity is in gaming when people without a hint of irony prop up Zero as an example, or hell even Bayonetta who's still objectified even when injured.
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well if i knew all that, i obviously wouldn't have posted the game as an example

i just went off of what i had heard

that will show me for posting about games i haven't played, i guess
 
I'm a very simple man: if I think a character is sexy I'd praise that design and would do everything possible to show my support to the devs who made it, if I don't find a character sexy (if it's designed to look sexy) I'll just trash the design so the devs cater to my personal tastes.

Is that right? I don't care, it works for me.
 
It depends. There's plenty of ways to get that a woman is attractive across without showing a bunch of skin, or skin tight clothing.

Like Heartless from Megaman Starforce 3

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It's almost never justified and never for a good reason. Morrigan is the only one I can honestly accept.


The rest are trash fire garbage made by males for one reason.
 
I'm gonna go with DoA Xtreme, Senran Kagura, other fanservice games, etc.

The point of the designs is to get people to buy their games, and they apparently work well enough to have sequels for certain series.
 
PdotMichael said:
Why do people say fanservice if they mean sexy, erotic etc.?

A Link costume for Skyrim on Switch would be fanservice for example.
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Zolo said:
Fanservice can be used as a definition for both. In this case, the OP means the former.
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PdotMichael said:
It can't. People are just idiots.
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Ok. Feel free to believe that. The rest of the room will continue understanding exactly what the other people using the words intended. If, as a reference point, discussion around anime from the last 25 years is any indication, people outside this thread understand what it often means, as well.
 
My issue with Lulu is she's supposed to be from Besaid -- the same place as Yuna and Wakku, but dresses nothing like them or anyone else from Besaid.
 
Personally I dont mind if they make a character attractive just to be attractive as long as the selling point isn't to objectify her in a way that no other characters experience.

Attractive women is not fan service. Big boobs and ass are not fan service. But being super scantily clad wearing barely anything while all the men are in mega fortifide armour is stupid as fuck. Close up on tits and ass is stupid and unappealing to me. Vut a female character who knows she is attractve and shows isn't a big deal.

Ignoring stuff like DOA Volleyball and Senran Kaguara cause that shit is made for people who are into that so the criticism is the point.
 
I love 2b and that's a sexist design. The game is aware that the yorha androids are conspicuously beautiful and overall I find it all very thoughtful. The design is meant to "sell well" as per the creator and I think the game tries to say a little something about what that means.
 
I love fanservice, I just want it to apply across the board, so to speak. Hot Ryu was a great take on this, hilariously.

It's rare that I dislike fanservice, and it's usually when it's in an overly serious game and out of place (rare), or if it's the main focus of an important scene, taking me out of it. That's why I found little to no fault in Quiet's design, personally.






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When Ann goes Phantom Thief in Persona 5, she's involuntarily dressed in a sex'd up costume you'd see out of a female villain in an anime because those were characters she grew up admiring for their determination.

It's still kinda a garbage excuse that sounds like she was designed before she was written, but hey, what can ya do?
 
RumbleHumble said:
When Ann goes Phantom Thief in Persona 5, she's involuntarily dressed in a sex'd up costume you'd see out of a female villain in an anime because those were characters she grew up admiring for their determination.

It's still kinda a garbage excuse that sounds like she was designed before she was written, but hey, what can ya do?
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Ann is weird. Her design works greatly as a femme fatale alongside all the other "delinquent" outfits - it works with the theme/aesthetic - but she's the only character in the game to voice displeasure during several optional convos about the outfit despite it, like every other outfit, being conjured from her mental image of a "rebel". Everyone except her likes their own outfit and even Futaba (I think) admits she wants an outfit like Ann's. Thats a bit of an egregious case of the writing of P5 often feeling at odds with itself. It doesn't help that based on her Confidant it doesn't feel like they were sure about what they wanted to do with her character.
 
PK Gaming said:
How do you feel about current Baiken?
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As a fan of the character, I REALLY dislike Xrd's redesign the propping up of her chest puts me off on the design. Not sure why the animations that put emphasis on her chest. It hella awkward for the character.


But alas, she still looks cool....:D
 
NotLiquid said:
Ann is weird. Her design works greatly as a femme fatale alongside all the other "delinquent" outfits - it works with the theme/aesthetic - but she's the only character in the game to voice displeasure during several optional convos about the outfit despite it, like every other outfit, being conjured from her mental image of a "rebel". Everyone except her likes their own outfit and even Futaba (I think) admits she wants an outfit like Ann's. Thats a bit of an egregious case of the writing of P5 often feeling at odds with itself. It doesn't help that based on her Confidant it doesn't feel like they were sure about what they wanted to do with her character.
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I feel like the intent with Ann was that she really did enjoy playing the femme fatale but didn't want to admit to her friends. Because her in battle animations clearly show that she is enjoying herself, but this wasn't made entirely clear by the writing.

Also I have no idea why people keep acting surprised that fanservice is often used in a sexual context. I heard it like that since at least the 90's. It is not a new thing. But it still keeps happening every time someone uses the word.
 
Laiza said:
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HAH! What a lark.

The things I have a problem with are intrinsically sexist. Sexuality, on the other hand, I would be quite happy to see more of, when it is displayed in a positive and not obnoxiously sexist light.

The fact that you conflate sexism and sexuality alone says alot about the lens you're viewing this thread in. I suggest you learn to differentiate the two if you're going to participate in the conversation, because the mere notion of "fanservice" being specific to heterosexual men alone paints this conversation in that kind of color.
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Sure, but coming here and saying "I have a problem" doesn't really propel a discussion either. If you're willing, show any examples that you think that are positive and discuss why.

Because, going from your previous post, you were going towards another discussion, thus why I was saying to create another topic where you can dig that rabbit hole as much as anyone want.
 
rackham said:
It's almost never justified and never for a good reason. Morrigan is the only one I can honestly accept.
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It's always justifiable and always for good reason, whether it's story wise, character wise or just plain fucking sales wise.

But no one will force you or anyone else to accept them :)
 
You serious about Hancock from One Piece, OP? One Piece is great about many things, but proper depiction of female characters is not one of them.

Also, when you said Morrigan, I thought you were talking about this Morrigan:

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I think she's one of the few legitimately great "fan-servicey characters" in video game. Say whatever you want about Bioware, but they almost always treated their female characters strongly.
 
SOLDIER said:
Bringing down an entire warship of armed military men with just a wink and a smile sounds awful?

Hancock is pretty much Bayonetta, only without the sadistic torture kills. She's fully confident in her appearance, and uses it as a literal weapon.

Sounds awesome and empowering to me, but to each their own.
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She's completely subservient to Luffy though. and it's almost completely one sided. A majority of her dialogue is focused on or worrying or thinking about him, while he thinks of her no more than any of his other friends

I like Hancock but I don't think she's an example of "good" fanservice. (still not sure that that means exactly)

Even in a series as full of shitty representations of women as one piece is, I don't think Hancock stands as one of the better ones.
 
NotLiquid said:
Ann is weird. Her design works greatly as a femme fatale alongside all the other "delinquent" outfits - it works with the theme/aesthetic - but she's the only character in the game to voice displeasure during several optional convos about the outfit despite it, like every other outfit, being conjured from her mental image of a "rebel". Everyone except her likes their own outfit and even Futaba (I think) admits she wants an outfit like Ann's. Thats a bit of an egregious case of the writing of P5 often feeling at odds with itself. It doesn't help that based on her Confidant it doesn't feel like they were sure about what they wanted to do with her character.
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If you drive around in Mementos enough you'll find Makoto isn't the biggest fan of her outfit either (which is sad because her outfit is the fucking best).
 
Almond said:
This character from Xenoblade Chronicles X. Her design is cool, and she's a major refernce to a certain Xenosaga character. Spoilers if you don't want to know what she looks like.
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You can't spoiler images on mobile. They just show up.

Perhaps just have a link to the picture with a warning before it since that is a very big spoiler.
 
Overwatch. they seem to take characterizations into consideration but they'll give the fans shirtless McCree and Witch Mercy and it services fans while also not feeling like it goes against who those characters are.
 
SatoAilDarko said:
You can't spoiler images on mobile. They just show up.

Perhaps just have a link to the picture with a warning before it since that is a very big spoiler.
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I know, and I considered that, but (maybe spoilers)
it's not a big spoiler if you don't say it is. That's why I didn't giver her name or context, and Nintendo of Europe didn't even care to spoil it in their trailer.
 
I think I'm too dumb to know which characters with spray paint clothes are morally ok and which aren't...need a dummies guide. Mainly I feel ok if it is both sexes in a game that get the treatment.
 
I am ok with fanservice on all sides, when Hot Ryu was revealed I was like wow, because that beard was killer.

aett said:
So, do you not understand how that can be harmful, or do you just not care?
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Maybe they just don't care? What's the problem wanting fanservice designs for male and female characters and if they don't care is ok too.
 
It's easy to say "I'd be totally fine with all male characters being sexualized!" knowing it will never happen, lol.
 
aett said:
So, do you not understand how that can be harmful, or do you just not care?
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I think people need to recognize the difference between fantasy and reality, and take responsibility for the evil things they do in real life and not blame them on games or movies etc.
I steal cars, murder people and gawk at hot girls in video games/fantasy settings, but behave myself in real life. I have no moral problem with this.
 
My basic opinion on the topic is that a sexy design is done well if it suits the game's themes or setting. Senran Kagura I have no issues with, because they're very upfront with what it's about. A character who is a prostitute, succubus, or otherwise tied to titillation dressing in skimpy clothes, sure. The people in a tropical beach town wandering around wearing sarongs and swimsuits, that works. It's not uncommon for games to have characters dress outlandishly (speaking not just about skimpy clothes), because you want them to stand out, but sometimes I'm like where is my party shopping for their clothes, no one else dresses even somewhat like this.

RM8 said:
It's easy to say "I'd be totally fine with all male characters being sexualized!" knowing it will never happen, lol.
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Right? There's 0 chance it'll happen that way.

Mobius Final Fantasy had the main character in a weird bathing suit/armor getup you'd usually see on a female character, but that got changed to something much more conservative in part because they saw how much people joked and complained about it.

Meanwhile FF15's heads were apparently baffled that players said they liked and wanted strong female characters but were complaining that Cindy is dressed the way she is. Cue the Hark A Vagrant comic on strong female characters.

I'd love some manservice, but it ain't working out that way.
 
AtomskEater said:
Right? There's 0 chance it'll happen that way.

Mobius Final Fantasy had the main character in a weird bathing suit/armor getup you'd usually see on a female character, but that got changed to something much more conservative in part because they saw how much people joked and complained about it.

Meanwhile FF15's heads were apparently baffled that players said they liked and wanted strong female characters but were complaining that Cindy is dressed the way she is. Cue the Hark A Vagrant comic on strong female characters.

I'd love some manservice, but it ain't working out that way.
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The thing with manservice is that if we're talking about Japanese media, even media that focuses on women don't really have guys in the equivalent of female fanservice outfits. I assume this is because it's not as popular with women as it is men otherwise I'd assume money would dictate toward making more of it.
 
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