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Far Cry 2 vs Crysis Warhead

Frenck said:
The best thing about this is that there won't be a Far Cry 3 for PC because it will probably sell at least three times as many copies on consoles :lol
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:lol :lol

You mean, like how Orange Box - being in the exact same situation as Far Cry 2 in terms of PC-to-console conversions, sold a fuck ton more on PC alone than both consoles combined?

You mean, like how Far Cry Instincts and whatever other shitty Far Cry console games that came out couldn't even come close to touching the Million+ sales Far Cry had on PC?
 
Frenck said:
Again, it was a PC exclusive from the start and they ported it to consoles during the later stages of development. Nothing got dumbed down. It's a high end PC game and the console version is a shoddy port.

I know it's very comfortable for PC gamers to blame everything on consoles but in this case we are the ones who got the shitty port that doesn't come close to a game designed for the respective platform.

Ubi Montreal should've done the console versions from scratch. That way everyone would win and I don't have to read so much bullshit from PC gamers anymore. The best thing about this is that there won't be a Far Cry 3 for PC because it will probably sell at least three times as many copies on consoles :lol
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Wait, are you saying that good PC games don't have to get dumbed down for consoles? Nonsense. :lol

Why should they have done the console versions from scratch? Would have ran into the same walls developing for consoles anyways. :lol
 
Frenck said:
Again, it was a PC exclusive from the start and they ported it to consoles during the later stages of development. Nothing got dumbed down. It's a high end PC game and the console version is a shoddy port.

I know it's very comfortable for PC gamers to blame everything on consoles but in this case we are the ones who got the shitty port that doesn't come close to a game designed for the respective platform.

Ubi Montreal should've done the console versions from scratch. That way everyone would win and I don't have to read so much bullshit from PC gamers anymore. The best thing about this is that there won't be a Far Cry 3 for PC because it will probably sell at least three times as many copies on consoles :lol
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Really.... Really.... and Really????? :lol
 
Both are impressive, but there is less detail present in Far Cry 2 overall. The game has excellent lighting, but lacks the fine texture detail and complex models of Crysis.
 
Ledsen said:
They want more hits for their site, what do you think.
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Of course, that is true. We want a lot of hits on every piece of text och pictures we produce. That is true for all websites.

But Far Cry 2 has been compared to Crysis and there has been this buzz about a Crysis killer. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people (even here on Neogaf) were hoping for a console game that could match Crysis running on a good PC. And judging from the interest we've gotten on this comparison, that was a good assumption.
 
Syringe said:
Of course, that is true. We want a lot of hits on every piece of text och pictures we produce. That is true for all websites.

But Far Cry 2 has been compared to Crysis and there has been this buzz about a Crysis killer. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people (even here on Neogaf) were hoping for a console game that could match Crysis running on a good PC. And judging from the interest we've gotten on this comparison, that was a good assumption.
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why not compare the 360 farcry 2 with crysis warhead on a pc that came out in nov 2005, be fairer
 
Crysis Warhead looks better, no question.

Still, FarCry 2 looks pretty damned great. I'm really looking forward to it.

All these great new PC games are making me so happy.
 
Um, am I reading it right that it's the 360 version of Far Cry 2 vs. the PC version of Crysis:Warhead? What the fuck is the point of that comparison?
 
GitarooMan said:
Um, am I reading it right that it's the 360 version of Far Cry 2 vs. the PC version of Crysis:Warhead? What the fuck is the point of that comparison?
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Its a trick!

RUN.
 
uh, these farcry 2 pics look terrible compared to what i've seen of the game.
are we sure they're from x360 and not pc version with a medium or low something ?
 
Wait, so let me get this straight from what people have been saying in here.


This is Far Cry 2 PC:
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And this is Far Cry 2 console:
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That's bullshit, it doesn't even look like the same game. The first one is probably a bullshot and the second one looks like a shot from the original Xbox version of Far Cry 2.
I know, I know.

Or maybe it's the PC version at very low settings. Can't explain that huge discrepancy between the different shots of Far Cry 2 (not those of Crysis and Far Cry 2, mind you) otherwise.
 
Smells like bullshit to me. Doesn't even look like the same game.
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It is bullshit. The console version actually looks pretty damn good.

Can't explain that huge discrepancy between the different shots of Far Cry 2
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I can. You have VERY different scenes with one of the shots smoothed over (probably downscaled and blurred) with the other being pixel perfect without AA. The jungle scene is simply more dramatic.

There are times when Crysis doesn't look all that great, you know. It really depends on the scene.

I mean, does this really look any good?

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dark10x said:
It is bullshit. The console version actually looks pretty damn good.
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Those screens in the OP must be from the PC version at low settings, even though the article claims they're from the 360 version.

I refuse to believe that the console port looks that shitty.
 
Haunted said:
Wait, so let me get this straight from what people have been saying in here.


This is Far Cry 2 PC:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/846/846707/far-cry-2-20080122085125617.jpg[IMG]


And this is Far Cry 2 console:
[IMG]http://i35.tinypic.com/2hdqwc8.jpg[IMG]

That's bullshit, it doesn't even look like the same game. The first one is probably a bullshot and the second one looks like a shot from the original Xbox version of Far Cry 2. [spoiler]I know, I know.[/spoiler]

Or maybe it's the PC version at very low settings. Can't explain that huge discrepancy between the different shots of Far Cry 2 (not those of Crysis and Far Cry 2, mind you) otherwise.[/QUOTE]

I doubt the console version looks that shity but I am pretty sure we have seen alot of bullshots. It's Ubisoft after all.
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Far Cry 2 definitely looks a lot better than that one ugly pic, especially the PC version, but it's still no match for Warhead.

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Crysis2.jpg
 
Far Cry 2 definitely looks a lot better than that one ugly pic, especially the PC version, but it's still no match for Warhead.
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Yeah, but those shots you posted aren't exactly putting Warhead in the best light either.
Also, oddly enough, waterfalls are one area where Crysis simply sucks. All of the waterfalls look like shit (especially when viewed from an alternate angle).
 
dark10x said:
Yeah, but those shots you posted aren't exactly putting Warhead in the best light either.
Also, oddly enough, waterfalls are one area where Crysis simply sucks. All of the waterfalls look like shit (especially when viewed from an alternate angle).
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I don't know what game you've been playing. The waterfalls in Crysis are drop-dead gorgeous, especially when the light is reflecting off them just right.
 
Here are some Crysis Warhead screens I took.





It just levels everything else out there. Far Cry 2 is still a nice looking game, though.
 
dark10x said:
It is bullshit. The console version actually looks pretty damn good.


I can. You have VERY different scenes with one of the shots smoothed over (probably downscaled and blurred) with the other being pixel perfect without AA. The jungle scene is simply more dramatic.
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Just look at the difference in lighting, textures, foliage(!) in those shots. There's definitely something wrong with the second one.


dark10x said:
There are times when Crysis doesn't look all that great, you know. It really depends on the scene.

I mean, does this really look any good?

Warhead.jpg
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I wanted to agree with you, but then you went ahead and posted a good-looking Crysis shot that's just superior over Far Cry 2 in every way. :lol Lighting, textures, water, foliage... I mean, just look at that Parallax Occlusion mapping in the bottom part of the pic, that's beautiful.
 
I agree with dark10x. That specific picture of Crysis makes it look like all the lighting is prebaked. Dynamic shows are hard to spot and everything seems to have the same illumination value :|

From video's I've seen of Far Cry 2 I know it doesn't look as bad as the pics in the OP. Is the console port really that bad or are they just badly taken screenshots?
 
Dibbz said:
I agree with dark10x. That specific picture of Crysis makes it look like all the lighting is prebaked. Dynamic shows are hard to spot and everything seems to have the same illumination value :|

From video's I've seen of Far Cry 2 I know it doesn't look as bad as the pics in the OP. Is the console port really that bad or are they just badly taken screenshots?
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He's probably just using custom configs to modify the lighting and shadows. A lot of people playing Crysis are using custom configs that make things look less realistic, but more visually appealing in some cases, and run better.
 
Obviously, you can't capture motion in pictures, but most Warhead pics in this thread are what the game actually looks like. Sure, you could stage a perfect shot with perfect lighting and shadowing etc, but it wouldn't be very representative of what the game generally looks like when you're playing it. That Warhead pic I posted where he's holding the Korean is at max CCC values and @ 1680x1050, with no AA. It's what the game looks like (having said that, those pics have been compressed down from Fraps' huge file sizes).
 
from all the videos I've seen far cry 2 cannot compare to crysis, let alone warhead.
 
Dibbz said:
I agree with dark10x. That specific picture of Crysis makes it look like all the lighting is prebaked. Dynamic shows are hard to spot and everything seems to have the same illumination value :|

From video's I've seen of Far Cry 2 I know it doesn't look as bad as the pics in the OP. Is the console port really that bad or are they just badly taken screenshots?
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I'm wondering the same thing, did the OP actually go out of his / her way to find the worse possible Far Cry 2 shots available? I've been watching video's of the console versions of the game and the graphics are superb, way beyond what you're seeing in this thread.

Crysis is an absolute beast of an engine but at times it just doesn't feel optimised all that greatly. It's a resource eating hog of a thing. It's certainly capable of superb visuals but I'm not convinced it runs as smoothly as it really could. Then when you consider Far Cry 2 is running on 3 different platforms, 360 / PS3 / PC it's even more amazing in that regard for what it is actually achieving.

I think both to me are capable of amazingly lush jungle environments and destructible environments though when iD's Tech 5 was on show, if they can hold it's integrity on consoles like they seemed to say it will, at 60fps on consoles as well, then both of those engines are gonna look pretty ordinary.
 
Crysis has a decently optimized engine, it's just doing so much more than any other engine that it eats video cards for breakfast.

The only where that there may need to be more optimization is in Crossfire scaling, since they obviously tweaked the engine to favour SLI.
 
Mohonky said:
I'm wondering the same thing, did the OP actually go out of his / her way to find the worse possible Far Cry 2 shots available? I've been watching video's of the console versions of the game and the graphics are superb, way beyond what you're seeing in this thread.
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There are some very nice Far Cry 2 screenshots in this thread. The one with the guy by the water sticks out, IMO. I've watched all the Far Cry videos available and I've seen nothing that's "way beyond" what we're seeing here. Sometimes screenshots just don't do a game justice, but the visuals in these screenshots are representative of the game.

Crysis is an absolute beast of an engine but at times it just doesn't feel optimised all that greatly. It's a resource eating hog of a thing. It's certainly capable of superb visuals but I'm not convinced it runs as smoothly as it really could.
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Warhead is optimized, and runs pretty smoothly for all the insane geometry + shader effects it's throwing around.

Then when you consider Far Cry 2 is running on 3 different platforms, 360 / PS3 / PC it's even more amazing in that regard for what it is actually achieving.
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I disagree. Just because something is running on multiple platforms doesn't somehow make it more impressive. Seeing Warhead on a beefy pc is something to behold, and I couldn't care less that it's not a scalable engine running across a variety of platforms. We're talking about sheer visuals here.

I think both to me are capable of amazingly lush jungle environments and destructible environments though when iD's Tech 5 was on show, if they can hold it's integrity on consoles like they seemed to say it will, at 60fps on consoles as well, then both of those engines are gonna look pretty ordinary.
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id Tech 5 looks tremendous, but I have my doubts it will blow Crysis away. And again, the multiplatform argument doesn't hold much water when the subject is about graphics, not engine scalability.
 
Haunted said:
Just look at the difference in lighting, textures, foliage(!) in those shots. There's definitely something wrong with the second one.



I wanted to agree with you, but then you went ahead and posted a good-looking Crysis shot that's just superior over Far Cry 2 in every way. :lol Lighting, textures, water, foliage... I mean, just look at that Parallax Occlusion mapping in the bottom part of the pic, that's beautiful.
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hahahah I agree, that shot looks fantastic...

I agree with general sentiment, crysis looks better in every way...this is not to say FC2 doesnt look good though, it looks very nice considering the scale.

Also, I seriously doubt tech 5 will look better, the new trailer which showed some actual gameplay looked very nice, but also showed some low res textures etc
 
Chiggs said:
There are some very nice Far Cry 2 screenshots in this thread. The one with the guy by the water sticks out, IMO. I've watched all the Far Cry videos available and I've seen nothing that's "way beyond" what we're seeing here. Sometimes screenshots just don't do a game justice, but the visuals in these screenshots are representative of the game.



Warhead is optimized, and runs pretty smoothly for all the insane geometry + shader effects it's throwing around.



I disagree. Just because something is running on multiple platforms doesn't somehow make it more impressive. Seeing Warhead on a beefy pc is something to behold, and I couldn't care less that it's not a scalable engine running across a variety of platforms. We're talking about sheer visuals here.



id Tech 5 looks tremendous, but I have my doubts it will blow Crysis away. And again, the multiplatform argument doesn't hold much water when the subject is about graphics, not engine scalability.
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I disagree on the multiplatform part, CryEngine 2 was built to be a balls out system slayer, it's an amazing engine yes, and it can pump out some seriously shit hot visuals, but engines that are designed to be scalable and still look amazing imo are more impressive. If Ubisoft intended to take Cry Engine 2 head on in the 'holy shit balls' visuals department I'm sure they could manage it, but they have to create an engine that balances visuals with realistic performance, particularly considering the 'fixed architecture of the consoles.

iD's Tech 5 looks utterly amazing and if there is one thing they have managed in the past, it's shit hot visuals that don't necessarily have destroy your PC to be achieved. I find that a greater achievement then simply designing an engine that requires brute force hardware to achieve it's results.
 
Mohonky said:
I disagree on the multiplatform part, CryEngine 2 was built to be a balls out system slayer, it's an amazing engine yes, and it can pump out some seriously shit hot visuals, but engines that are designed to be scalable and still look amazing imo are more impressive.
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CryEngine2 is pretty scalable, you can make Crysis look as bad as the Far Cry 2 console shots if you wanted.
 
There's almost a generation's worth of difference in those initial screenshots posted here. Hardly surprising tbh, the performance gap between the PS3/360 and even a mainstream gaming rig (2 gig RAM, Core2 Duo, 8800gt) is mammoth. Its hardly a fair comparison.
 
Wii said:
Far Cry 2 looks more fun
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Yeah, what could be more fun than firing at guys who just stand there and stare at you with any lack of AI whatsoever?

I hate dynamic fights with aliens flying around, hopping from rock to rock, humans flanking me from all sides, and epic boss fights with everything else I mentioned going on at the same time.
 
dLMN8R said:
Yeah, what could be more fun than firing at guys who just stand there and stare at you with any lack of AI whatsoever?

I hate dynamic fights with aliens flying around, hopping from rock to rock, humans flanking me from all sides, and epic boss fights with everything else I mentioned going on at the same time.
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Warhead was a damn fine experience. Set piece after set piece and a killer finale. Far Cry 2 does look pretty fun, though. You've played it, and I know your feelings on it, but tell me: is there a big emphasis on exploration?
 
Mohonky said:
I disagree on the multiplatform part, CryEngine 2 was built to be a balls out system slayer, it's an amazing engine yes, and it can pump out some seriously shit hot visuals, but engines that are designed to be scalable and still look amazing imo are more impressive. If Ubisoft intended to take Cry Engine 2 head on in the 'holy shit balls' visuals department I'm sure they could manage it, but they have to create an engine that balances visuals with realistic performance, particularly considering the 'fixed architecture of the consoles.

iD's Tech 5 looks utterly amazing and if there is one thing they have managed in the past, it's shit hot visuals that don't necessarily have destroy your PC to be achieved. I find that a greater achievement then simply designing an engine that requires brute force hardware to achieve it's results.
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Dude, Crysis looks better than pretty much any other game even on Medium. Those settings will run great on anything 7800 and up. I used it on my 7600 and it still ran decently. Crysis is scalable. Hell Crysis with everything on low except shaders and shadows still looks decent.

Id Tech 5 does NOT look as good as Crysis. It just doesn't do as much. It looks brilliant, but that's because it simply isn't attempting to rise to the level of Crysis in many areas.
 
The thing is, CryEngine 2 can do even MORE than what people are showing today. It's just not playable yet on modern hardware, but in ~2 years time, we may see games running the Ultra High capability of the engine. We've already seen some evidence of what the engine can do from people running with mods that unlock features not used in the games, that turn the framerate to 1fps on good hardware.

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Chiggs said:
Those screens are insane.
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I assume that they were made at 1fps with every feature cranked and tweaked through custom configs and/or mods. I know I can't play with settings like those. The lighting in that 2nd screen is too real to handle.
 
Zzoram said:
I assume that they were made at 1fps with every feature cranked and tweaked through custom configs and/or mods. I know I can't play with settings like those. The lighting in that 2nd screen is too real to handle.
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I sincerely doubt that. Those are just shots taken at really opportune times.
 
The way I see it, Crytek should be preparing a CryEngine 2.5 for the next generation of consoles, since CryEngine 2(.1?) is still too much for modern PC hardware to handle in all it's glory.
 
Syringe said:
Of course, that is true. We want a lot of hits on every piece of text och pictures we produce. That is true for all websites.

But Far Cry 2 has been compared to Crysis and there has been this buzz about a Crysis killer. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people (even here on Neogaf) were hoping for a console game that could match Crysis running on a good PC. And judging from the interest we've gotten on this comparison, that was a good assumption.
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But comparing a console game to a high-end PC game is stupid and pointless. I don't think anyone expected FC2 360 to compare favourably to Crysis running on a top-of-the-line PC.
 
BobsRevenge said:
I sincerely doubt that. Those are just shots taken at really opportune times.
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Zzoram said:
We've already seen some evidence of what the engine can do from people running with mods that unlock features not used in the games, that turn the framerate to 1fps on good hardware.
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That's what he posted before the screenshots.
 
Chiggs said:
Warhead was a damn fine experience. Set piece after set piece and a killer finale. Far Cry 2 does look pretty fun, though. You've played it, and I know your feelings on it, but tell me: is there a big emphasis on exploration?
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I was exaggerating for effect :) Even if it has crappy AI, I'm sure Far Cry 2 will have other redeeming qualities.
 
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