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Fast travelling in FFVII: Rebirth
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saintjules
Member
THE MUSIC!
Reminds me of FFT. Love it.
Reminds me of FFT. Love it.
Fredrik
Member
I’m tired of easy fast traveling, moving a cursor and hitting a button, I get that it’s sometimes convenient or even needed but I wish devs would do a better job at making it fun to traverse the map normally instead. Or make me walk to a taxi or something and show an animation how I actually travel. Like Hollow Knight which I’m currently replaying (top 10 all-time). Use some procedural tech so it’s not the same animation all the time.
The artful mincer
Member
Yeah! Personally they solved the issue in the OG. Only fast travel when you had the airship.
I really don't like the idea of being able to fast travel across the oceans either. Completely ruins the sense of adventure and immersion.
The artful mincer
Member
They fast travelled to Kalm the game starts there.
Killjoy-NL
Member
You don't have to fast-travel though.
sigmaZ
Gold Member
Nah. Fast travel is fine as long as they make you work a little to access the points.
Without fast travel points it really just becomes padding in an oversaturated game market full of bloated content. Cyberpunk sucks with it's default fast travel. It adds a needless amount of time to an already bloated game. Thank god there's mods to remedy that. you never have to use fast travel if you don't want to.
BG3 took the smarter approach to fast travel imo. Without it my 200 plus hours going have nearly doubled.
In the past it wasn't needed in JRPGS because the maps weren't that big and there were vehicles to take care of that.
Andrew Evenstar
Member
I like the fast travel in the souls games and in FF12, i didn't review the info above because i want to wait but hopefully it's kinda like that.
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Fredrik
Member
Yeah. There are more fun ways to make adventuring exciting. And there is no fast travel function in Super Metroid and it’s the best game of all time. Think about that. There is the morph ball pipes but that’s it.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
The problem is that no matter how fun traversal is it gets boring after 20 hours.
Northeastmonk
Gold Member
Air ships are the only way to travel.
FalsettoVibe
Member
Looks great as usual.
Fredrik
Member
Then make a different travel mechanic or shorten the distances needed if a quest demand you to travel far. Or make a cool procedural generated train segment with random loot and AI NPCs strolling about that you can talk to. Or like in OG FF7, instead of a cursor, let us fly an airship, and show the characters enter and exit that with a cool short cutscene. Everything is better than a cursor moving over a map triggering a loading screen imo, it’s boring and a missed opportunity, there is so much they could do.
Doom85
Member
I’m well into Alan Wake 2, and am greatly enjoying it, but man is going back to maps for collectibles when I get a new type of unlocking tool or such takes longer than necessary. If fast travel prevents me specifically from using it on an already explored path when there’s a main story thing waiting there, fair enough, but for side content? That’s just filler, I’ve seen this whole walk before, let’s move it along.
I mean, when even the Soulsborne franchise slowly made fast travel more prominent as it went along, it’s clear it should pretty much always be a feature. Of course, a few of the “OMG, I’m so hardcore!” people were all, “ew, it makes it less ‘real’ now!” To which I say:
One can just not use the fast travel if it triggers them so much. As for the rest of us, heaven forbid if we think good game design is giving players options that reduce things from feeling tedious.
Killjoy-NL
Member
How so? Like others have said, at some point traveling can become a chore.
They could add fun mini-games or new ways of traversal, like some have suggested, but you'd get to the same point of repetitiveness eventually.
It has little to do with poor game design.
bender
What time is it?
If it is a chore to travel in your game consider:
-Improving your traversal mechanics.
-Improving engagement in your open world.
-Rethink the amount of a-to-b traversal in your quest design.
-Shortening your game length.
-Question why your game is open world in the first place.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, that is definitely fast traveling alright.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
4 seconds! 
Doom85
Member
They already did. It’s called fast travel.
Seriously, some of the most beloved games have fast travel in them. It’s not a flaw in game design. And most of them don’t make using it a requirement, so if one wants to be close-minded about it, they’re free to not use it. This such a non-issue.
bender
What time is it?
They already did. It’s called fast travel.
Seriously, some of the most beloved games have fast travel in them. It’s not a flaw in game design. And most of them don’t make using it a requirement, so if one wants to be close-minded about it, they’re free to not use it. This such a non-issue.
Fast travel anywhere is not the same as fast travel. Saying that you don't have to use a system that a game is designed around is a terrible argument.
Doom85
Member
Bruh, I just went back and read your original post. The tweet in OP’s post made it very clear you can fast travel to specific points, not just anywhere. Why the hell are you talking about fast traveling anywhere? That’s not relevant to this game at all.
bender
What time is it?
Bruh, I just went back and read your original post. The tweet in OP’s post made it very clear you can fast travel to specific points, not just anywhere. Why the hell are you talking about fast traveling anywhere? That’s not relevant to this game at all.
What the hell I'm talking about is:
Use it wisely to advance your adventure, such as when you get lost and want to return to your original location.
So you can fast travel from anywhere (where you are at the time of being lost) to specified locations (bases, cities, or "Chocobos" stops). I'd say that's relevant but maybe our definitions of fast travel anywhere differ.
Doom85
Member
Well yes, if you had said “fast travel from anywhere” instead of leaving out the “from”, I would have followed you.
SlimeGooGoo
Party Gooper
Design by checklist and by committee
Boooooooooriiiing
Boooooooooriiiing
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Would have preferred Teleport/Warp Materia.
Get on Golden Sun's level Square. Fast Travel the RIGHT way.
Get on Golden Sun's level Square. Fast Travel the RIGHT way.
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bender
What time is it?
That's generally how fast travel systems in modern open words are designed. You can travel to discovered locations and/or set points on a map from any location. Modern design doesn't want players to get lost and doesn't want them to miss out on content, so we get fast travel , mapping, and waypoint systems to prevent this which in my opinion, is mostly counter to the strengths of having open worlds in the first place and at that point, could just as easily be accomplished with linear levels.
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I have a gut feeling it will be another barren/boring open world like ff15 and 16.
I also have this pet peeve with alot of Japanese developed games where the worlds seem to have this invisible barrier to places you cant access. Instead of making terrain in a way you cant climb or jump on an invisible barrier prevents you from jumping on a rock.
I also have this pet peeve with alot of Japanese developed games where the worlds seem to have this invisible barrier to places you cant access. Instead of making terrain in a way you cant climb or jump on an invisible barrier prevents you from jumping on a rock.
rhodesianshepard
Member
I'm guessing you can only fast travel once you have already explored a given area. To not implement fast travel would be insane for any fairly large map. Even games with amazing traversal still have it as an option
Killjoy-NL
Member
Yes, but time and budget are limited.
As is the end-users time.
Hence, fast-travel exists and isn't an indication of poor design.
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rhodesianshepard
Member
It drives me insane too. It's a big reason why FF16 never clicked for me. From a developer perspective, It just seems like pure laziness that I can't walk through a stream or fall off of a cliff. Invisible barriers absolutely kill the illusion of a realized world
bender
What time is it?
Games with smaller budgets and development times have gotten it right.
An end-user's time has little relevance unless you assume that every game should be made for everyone and that there is a deadline for an end user to stop playing a game and are defining their budgeted within those boundaries.
Hence, we'll have to disagree.
Belthazar
Member
Nothing shown from Rebirth showcased invisible walls on the open world, so your gut feelings are completely baseless.
Also, Final Fantasy XVI doesn't have an open world, it's a linear action game...
rofif
Banned
Yes, that is all true.
Horizon forbidden West had the worst open world. travel points everywhere. I would travel the shortest distances
Killjoy-NL
Member
If your bolded statement were true, fast-travel wouldn't exist.
It's sole purpose is to respect the user's time, adding the convenience of cutting time spent back-tracking.
Back-tracking is as inconvenient as having to travel to and from work. There are more productive things to do with my time, especially in games.
But yes, maybe we should agree to disagree.
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March Climber
Member
sigmaZ
Gold Member
Yeah. I'm not a big fan of that approach either but what I've seen from trailers transversal seems pretty free flowing for the most part. You can jump and swim in water and climb up cliffs etc.
Belthazar
Member
Well, Symphony of the Night is a better game and has fast travel.
Doom85
Member
16 was not open world at all.
Also, at least there were a few worthwhile things to discover in 15. 16, on the other hand, was mostly just crafting materials I already had a high excess of.
bender
What time is it?
I don't think all fast-travel implementations are bad, to clarify. Also, if back-tracking is inconvenient in your game, there are more ways to solve the problem than just fast-travel which is why I said it is often a bandaid. And while gaming has benefits, I don't really think it adds to one's productivity.
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Luipadre
Gold Member
30 and 60. 60 looked pretty blurry so im gonna stick to quality i think. 30 fps in the first game was smooth
Killjoy-NL
Member
You're right, but that's why fast-travel is optional.
So it's a non-issue.
rofif
Banned
hmmm yeah.
I remember switching between 2 modes few times and had a hard time deciding but 60fps indeed was a bit blurry since I play at my desk.
And 30fps mode had almost no motion blur so looked a bit stiff.
But yeah, I don't mind much. 30 is fine.
rofif
Banned
The games are month apart.
if you can't finish a game in a month, you gotta take a divorce or something
bender
What time is it?
It's a non-issue to you that others find clumsy. It being optional doesn't negate the effects it can have on the design of the game.
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