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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton

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TheOMan said:
Why is "socialism" such a dirty word in America?
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EatinOlives said:
Calm your tits, I'm replying to this:



That's not how it works. Destruction of evidence leaves trails which can themselves be incriminating.
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Well if, and even if im mistaken about this, I believed that James Comey said that they had deleted emails in order to preclude forensic evidence, then wouldnt that be my basis for believing she successfully deleted evidence, and not an "assumption that no evidence means she destroyed evidence"? As is so laughable to you

diaspora said:
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ok well that doesnt really change anything they still said it

PsychoWARD23 said:
Well you misheard is what the poster is trying to say, no need to be so defensive.
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thats not what he was trying to say. they implied i believe there being no evidence means she destroyed evidence. thats obviously stupid.

hawk2025 said:
But...




What?
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IF the FBI believed they had deleted emails in order to preclude forensic evidence, and the conclusion is that they lack the evidence to prosecute her, then the logical conclusion is that she successfully deleted evidence.

Thats not the same thing as having a laughable view that there being no evidence therefore means she destroyed evidence.

If im wrong then thats why, i misunderstood. Gonna review now.
 
Stormhammer said:
so y did she lie and tell us she received nothing marked as classified. y do u guys still want to vote for a deceiver of the public
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Because it's either that or Trump. That's all it boils down to at this point. Her supporters need to stop pretending Hillary is a great candidate, though. It's very transparent that she is incredibly flawed and does whatever benefits her, not the American public.
 
massoluk said:
She absolute did allow Sanders to get that far. The worst hit he got from Clinton was I think that gun bill. She could have done far worst, she could go after his wife, go wtih Barney Frank's comments, his cuban comments, etc.
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Yeah, she could have done far worse and sank her own campaign in the process.
 
whyamihere said:
I don't believe Comey said they were marked classified by State specifically. For example, the drone program iirc, is not classified by State, but it is by other agencies.
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He definitely said they were "deemed classified at time of transmission." Now who classified them, I'm not sure:
 
EatinOlives said:
I'm making the bold-ass assumption that he can afford ads. TBH I'm surprised his campaign can still afford internet.

But regardless, Comey gave Trump a shitton of ammunition and all he could think about was "wah wah wah no indictment"
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Well I just noticed this morning that some PC named "Don Huge-Hands" has been leaching off my internet so maybe they can't? Time to tighten up my security.
ApharmdX said:
Yeah, it was a confluence of poor-written policy, irresponsibility, and carelessness. I disagree with you a bit; the Secretary of State should have known better. In fact, she was informed, but disregarded it. The FBI's finding too, which I missed, is that information DID, in fact, end up in the hands of hostile actors. So there were consequences. But no intent, which is what sunk Petraeus, and what the right is not understanding today.

I hope Hillary has learned her lesson, in any case. Now that this is settled, and thankfully before the convention, we can focus on coming together as a party to beat Trump in November.
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We're not in disagreement, I absolutely think that she should have known better and whether you believe she's being sincere or not even she says that in hindsight she should have been smarter. All I'm saying is people in her position used to be able to make up their own IT policies until the Obama administration put an end to that. She had no legal requirement to conform to standard practices while in office.
 
TheFuzz said:
He definitely said they were "deemed classified at time of transmission." Now who classified them, I'm not sure:
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Yeah, would be nice info to know. The classification arguments between government groups is a legit issue, not something Clinton is just using as an excuse.

There was also the whole ordeal with Pakistan, where I'm not sure how it could have been dealt with better considering the circumstances. Are they considering those classified, even if dumbed down to the point where the content is unrecognizable?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/clinton-emails-in-probe-dealt-with-planned-drone-strikes-1465509863
 
rewatching the video its even more ambigious lol

there may be more emails that were not produced and we couldnt find and never will because her lawyers deleted things in a way as to preclude forensic evidence

WTF?
 
Kyzer said:
Well if, and even if im mistaken about this, I believed that James Comey said that they had deleted emails in order to preclude forensic evidence, then wouldnt that be my basis for believing she successfully deleted evidence, and not an "assumption that no evidence means she destroyed evidence"? As is so laughable to you
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That's exactly what the FBI was investigating, and exactly what they said they didn't find. When they conducted the investigation they weren't only looking for evidence of criminal activity, they were also searching for whether the lack of certain emails suggests that they were deleted maliciously for the express purpose of obstructing justice. They concluded that the lack of evidence did not suggest the deleted emails were purposefully destroyed evidence.

If you don't believe this, you simply don't believe what Comey and the FBI concluded. In which case it's just a matter of opinion. You can choose to not believe Comey's statements if you're so inclined, but there'd be nothing to back up that assumption.
 
seat said:
Aside from "sneaking into the FBI", like you pointed out, there's nothing "insane" about that statement at all. I dislike Trump as much as next sane American, but c'mon man, we have to admit he's made some competent points here about the system being rigged. Let's not pretend it isn't.
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Care to point them out? Cause that's a long list of crazy train conspiracy bullshit.
 
seat said:
Aside from "sneaking into the FBI", like you pointed out, there's nothing "insane" about that statement at all. I dislike Trump as much as next sane American, but c'mon man, we have to admit he's made some competent points here about the system being rigged. Let's not pretend it isn't.
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Can we stop with the whole "I'll say something that is in no way consensus and add 'let's not pretend _____' to give it more weight" shtick?
 
Hillary's blatant foolishness and arrogance in comparatively simple matters like this are just part of the reason why I do not care for her, and think her level of judgment is lacking relative to what the office of the presidency requires, but, ultimately, it's Hillary or Trump, and between the two of them, Hillary is unequivocally the better candidate. I just pray she doesn't Libya the shit out of some Middle Eastern country during her tenure.
 
Hillary Clinton sneaked into the FBI on a Saturday (of all days!) and demanded to be interviewed on her emails
 
seat said:
Aside from "sneaking into the FBI", like you pointed out, there's nothing "insane" about that statement at all. I dislike Trump as much as next sane American, but c'mon man, we have to admit he's made some competent points here about the system being rigged. Let's not pretend it isn't.
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There is literally in there that is actually based on fact! She used the State Department to be bought? She was trying to hide criminal activity by deleting emails? Bill was sent to have a secret meeting with Loretta Lynch? Obama orchestrated the announcement of the no indictment for today since they were campaigning today?

It is literally insane.

WHY DID HILLARY SNEAK INTO THE FBI BUILDING?!?!?! LIKE, WHAT?

Geg said:
Hillary Clinton sneaked into the FBI on a Saturday (of all days!) and demanded to be interviewed on her emails
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It's so fucking insane I keep thinking about it and laughing.
 
whyamihere said:
There is literally in there that is actually based on fact! She used the State Department to be bought? She was trying to hide criminal activity by deleting emails? Bill was sent to have a secret meeting with Loretta Lynch? Obama orchestrated the announcement of the no indictment for today since they were campaigning today?

It is literally insane.

WHY DID HILLARY SNEAK INTO THE FBI BUILDING?!?!?! LIKE, WHAT?



It's so fucking insane I keep thinking about it and laughing.
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on a saturday of all days!
 
I'm starting to worry there will be a major right wing terrorist attack within the next 4 years.

The conspiracies they're pinning in their bubble are getting crazy, and the spittle is flying

How long untill someone unhinged takes up the mantle and does something terrible against "all this corruption and oppression"?
 
atr0cious said:
This doesn't mean what you wanted it to mean.
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It was a phrase considered for all of two seconds, but as a throwaway joke, it's fine. That she was one of the most consistently interventionist members of Obama's cabinet is a matter of public record, regardless, and while the final buck stopped with Obama, making him primarily culpable, some of the mess that country devolved into is on her hands.
 
EatinOlives said:
That's exactly what the FBI was investigating, and exactly what they said they didn't find. When they conducted the investigation they weren't only looking for evidence of criminal activity, they were also searching for whether the lack of certain emails suggests that they were deleted maliciously for the express purpose of obstructing justice. They concluded that the lack of evidence did not suggest the deleted emails were purposefully destroyed evidence.

If you don't believe this, you simply don't believe what Comey and the FBI concluded. In which case it's just a matter of opinion. You can choose to not believe Comey's statements if you're so inclined, but there'd be nothing to back up that assumption.
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youre trying to boil things down into a simpleton stew that I never asked for. please stop.

I dont need you to explain that to me. if youre gonna join my conversation get on topic.

Im talking about COMEYS STATEMENTS that her lawyers deleted things in a way as to preclude forensic evidence. supposing that you now understand where I was getting this idea that spawned this thread of conversation, here's where we're at:

I correctly understood his statements to mean that they KNEW of information that was deleted by lawyers that they will never retrieve. I incorrectly took it to mean they knew of EVIDENCE that was deleted pertaining to the case, but that since they dont have any evidence, they cant prosecute. Basically, after reviewing, what they were really saying is theres definitely stuff that is gone forever and theyll never see but theres no evidence to prosecute her for deleting it in a malicious/obstructive way, and that theres no way to ever know what that info is so they cant prosecute her on that either.


I dont need you to explain to me that this doesnt automatically mean what she deleted was the smoking gun evidence and that she was definitely guilty. I dont believe that.

I misunderstood the FBI to be basically explicitly saying they know she destroyed evidence but dont have any way to prove it. Can you blame me? They really said that in a weird way. They clearly hold a grudge against them for doing it
 
ApharmdX said:
The defense that you are making is that "well, other people do it too, so this is just manufactured". That's really spurious. What Hillary did was incredibly stupid and indefensible. It wasn't criminal, but it was pretty fucking stupid and very irresponsible.
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That's not quite what I meant. If the intent was to improve data security and/or punish those who don't follow it, it wouldn't be directed only at Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying "other people do it, so it's okay", I'm saying "if it's not okay, correct everyone" and not just a singular political opponent.

I agree it was stupid, though. I also doubt she really understood that. Had she any idea it could be used as a political witch hunt, obviously she would've avoided it.

As I said, though, hopefully some good comes from it. I can only imagine the frustration of whatever techs had to set this up for her. I've no doubt they knew at the time what a bad idea it was.
 
Leondexter said:
That's not quite what I meant. If the intent was to improve data security and/or punish those who don't follow it, it wouldn't be directed only at Hillary Clinton. I'm not saying "other people do it, so it's okay", I'm saying "if it's not okay, correct everyone" and not just a singular political opponent.

I agree it was stupid, though. I also doubt she really understood that. Had she any idea it could be used as a political witch hunt, obviously she would've avoided it.

As I said, though, hopefully some good comes from it. I can only imagine the frustration of whatever techs had to set this up for her. I've no doubt they knew at the time what a bad idea it was.
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I'd love for Dems to take this and push for a reform package for email and other technical data infrastructure. Should be able to get it passed, how can Republicans argue against a reform package?

The constant barrage Republicans made out of this will preclude anyone of note from making the same mistake again, but what about those who are largely ignored, but still deal with similar information?

Edit: There are tools that can be used to monitor for classified data entering and leaving servers. But fuck, they don't even have email archiving! Let alone any safeguards on email content.
 
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