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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton

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robochimp said:
Yes you can. A coworker's mother in law was killed by someone doing 85mph down a city street, no charges.
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Not the best comparison, Pedestrian laws are really weird and vary greatly by state.

TI82 said:
Yep, let's elect an extremely careless person to presidency.
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Yeah, lets go with the Racist who intentionally deleted emails to prevent them being used in lawsuits against himself.

Since I love to provide the receipts:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rs-ago-republican-hillary-president/85795082/
 
TyrantII said:
I'm starting to worry there will be a major right wing terrorist attack within the next 4 years.

The conspiracies they're pinning in their bubble are getting crazy, and the spittle is flying

How long untill someone unhinged takes up the mantle and does something terrible against "all this corruption and oppression"?
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We've already had one with the planned parenthood shooting. The media just didn't want to call it a terrorist attack.
 
Given Trump's complete inability to capitalize on any major national event with a response that's not tone-deaf, self-congratulatory or insane, I don't expect this issue will be a long-term problem for Clinton's campaign.
 
dramatis said:
Sure. But obviously she only used kid gloves on Sanders, which was the original subject of contention.
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So if he doesn't get dragged through the mud on issues unrelated to the election, he's being treated with kid gloves? That's ridiculous. Is Hillary Clinton the center of the election universe? Is everything relative to how Hillary gets treated? Hillary EARNED the right to be dragged through the mud with her unholy levels of untrustworthiness, political scandals, and sense of entitlement. Sanders, being very unlikable early on, earned the right to the benefit of the doubt and be generally unassailable. Being likable is an asset and people trying to turn that into some sort of free pass is ridiculous.

"How DARE he be so likable and trustworthy!" It's like 2008 all over again.

Hillary didn't have a choice. It's either deal with this guy who is more likable than me and hope that he goes away, or try to bring up his past and destroy my own Presidential hopes.
 
whyamihere said:
This is actually insane:

https://twitter.com/kyletblaine/status/750413844909006849

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Hillary snuck into the FBI? What?
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Huh. I never would've pegged Hillary for the Grease-man role in an Ocean's Eleven heist.

She's good. She's damn good.
 
God I love the salt.

Sooo many people were all "They wouldnt be investigating if there were no laws broken!"
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Such ridiculous logic.
 
MIMIC said:
So if he doesn't get dragged through the mud on issues unrelated to the election, he's being treated with kid gloves? That's ridiculous. Is Hillary Clinton the center of the election universe? Is everything relative to how Hillary gets treated? Hillary EARNED the right to be dragged through the mud with her unholy levels of untrustworthiness, political scandals, and sense of entitlement. Sanders, being very unlikable early on, earned the right to the benefit of the doubt and be generally unassailable. Being likable is an asset and people trying to turn that into some sort of free pass is ridiculous.

"How DARE he be so likable and trustworthy!" It's like 2008 all over again.

Hillary didn't have a choice. It's either deal with this guy who is more likable than me and hope that he goes away, or try to bring up his past and destroy my own Presidential hopes.
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That's a lot of words without really saying anything. So if you can't provide any examples, you must be referring to what actions? Attacks on his lack of elucidation on policy?
 
MIMIC said:
So if he doesn't get dragged through the mud on issues unrelated to the election, he's being treated with kid gloves? That's ridiculous. Is Hillary Clinton the center of the election universe? Is everything relative to how Hillary gets treated? Hillary EARNED the right to be dragged through the mud with her unholy levels of untrustworthiness, political scandals, and sense of entitlement. Sanders, being very unlikable early on, earned the right to the benefit of the doubt and be generally unassailable. Being likable is an asset and people trying to turn that into some sort of free pass is ridiculous.

"How DARE he be so likable and trustworthy!" It's like 2008 all over again.

Hillary didn't have a choice. It's either deal with this guy who is more likable than me and hope that he goes away, or try to bring up his past and destroy my own Presidential hopes.
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How are you people still going on about Sanders? He lost, he is no longer part of the conversation. Our next president will be Hillary or Trump, choose one.
 
Gordon Shumway said:
But them Clintons tho..
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Fuck that sentiment

It wasn't Bill that sent the entire US military into a needless fight in Iraq and subsequent raiding of Iraqi treasury amongst other war crimes W Bush did

Clinton bombed Iraq a few times and a aspirin factory in Sudan.

The lost of innocent civilian in those bombing campaign pale in comparison to massacres that happened in Iraq because of Bush.
 
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.

Also, people can (and have) pointed out that people who have been indicted for doing less. It's going to look shady to a lot of people, not just Conservatives.
 
Final thoughts before I pretty much stop talking about this forever. If this was worthy of criminal charges, there isn't an administration within the last 100 years where the top ranking officials shouldn't have been sent to jail over something. It would have been a terrible precedent to set for the FBI to indict a SoS over something like this. People seem to forget that Hillary wasn't some white house intern, she was like the 4th most powerful person in the country when this happened. There would be nothing but criminal charges and constant investigations and controversy over whatever people could think of to get political opposition thrown in jail.
 
Suikoguy said:
That's a lot of words without really saying anything. So if you can't provide any examples, you must be referring to what actions? Attacks on his lack of elucidation on policy?
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Like I said: just because you aren't attacked like the Republicans attack Clinton doesn't mean you're handled with kid gloves. What are you looking for? Because a Sanders attack isn't going to be the same as a Clinton attack.
 
Maxim726X said:
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.

Also, people can (and have) pointed out that people who have been indicted for doing less. It's going to look shady to a lot of people, not just Conservatives.
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Then the betting markets should reflect that.

Nope, she actually gained a few percentage points up to 73.3%.
 
MIMIC said:
So if he doesn't get dragged through the mud on issues unrelated to the election, he's being treated with kid gloves? That's ridiculous. Is Hillary Clinton the center of the election universe? Is everything relative to how Hillary gets treated? Hillary EARNED the right to be dragged through the mud with her unholy levels of untrustworthiness, political scandals, and sense of entitlement. Sanders, being very unlikable early on, earned the right to the benefit of the doubt and be generally unassailable. Being likable is an asset and people trying to turn that into some sort of free pass is ridiculous.

"How DARE he be so likable and trustworthy!" It's like 2008 all over again.

Hillary didn't have a choice. It's either deal with this guy who is more likable than me and hope that he goes away, or try to bring up his past and destroy my own Presidential hopes.
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lolwut

The right didn't dig against Sanders because they wanted him to beat Hillary. The left didn't dig against Sanders because they'd one day need his thin skinned supporters. The media didn't dig against Sanders because it didn't fit their Hillary v Trump narrative. Hillary EARNED her scrutiny by being an outspoken and public opponent of the right for decades. She could have been Jiminy Cricket and republicans would have still thrown everything they could against her for decades because the Clintons represent a real threat to their power. She did in the 90s with health care, she did in 2008 as a potential nominee, and she does now as the presumptive nominee.

Make no mistake. Had Sanders become the nominee, all that shit: The Vatican trip, his gun votes, his support for Cuba, everything they could find would have been thrown at him as hard as the republicans could manage. It has nothing to do with his trustworthiness. He was just never a big enough threat for them to waste resources against him.
 
Maxim726X said:
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.

Also, people can (and have) pointed out that people who have been indicted for doing less. It's going to look shady to a lot of people, not just Conservatives.
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People say that they can cite situations where someone was indicted for less, but nobody actually does it. I would love to see some receipts, but I'm not going to hold my breath over here.
 
Maxim726X said:
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.

Also, people can (and have) pointed out that people who have been indicted for doing less. It's going to look shady to a lot of people, not just Conservatives.
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It's not going to help him at all in the polls. He will continue to flounder in the polls while her advantage over him will continue to increase.
 
Man the right wing is salty.

The damned if you do or damned if you don't mindset is really poisonous to politics.

If she was indicted, she's a treasonous criminal.
Because she won't get indicted, she obviously threatened the DoJ and FBI and used her privileged status to skirt the law.

I think the right wing wouldn't be outlandish to paint her as foolish and careless. But the right wing has been printing "Hillary for Prison" shirts and bumper stickers for way too long. Their overzealous miscalculation to paint her as a murderous criminal is going to backfire.
They've been looking for a smoking gun to tank Obama and Hillary for years now.
 
Maxim726X said:
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.

Also, people can (and have) pointed out that people who have been indicted for doing less. It's going to look shady to a lot of people, not just Conservatives.
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Having an open investigation pending against her (or worse, an indictment) is going to reflect worse on her than a non-indictment, even if it looks shady (to some).

It's funny, people talked up the integrity of the FBI when they tried to make the case that this e-mail scandal wasn't partisan smear. But now that the FBI isn't making the recommendation to the FBI, then fuck them, fuck the system, it's all corrupt.
 
I have mixed feelings about this, on one hand I do not consider the mishandling of e-mails to be the biggest atrocity a human being could commit.. but on the other, what she did was illegal, and the people on the top shouldn't be treated as being above the law
 
Maxim726X said:
You guys laugh, but that Trump statement is going to resonate with a large percentage of the American public.
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See, the thing is he can make a point about her having poor decision making, for mishandling classified information and for a system where the very people making these decisions are campaigning on her behalf.

But instead he has to go full crazy about Clinton Foundation and selling US secrets and sneaking into the FBI, and trying to tie it to #Benghazi.

The e-mail thing is like a 6/10 political blunder. Bill might have bumped it to an 8/10 political blunder last week. Trump is trying to act like this is worse than Watergate and by overplaying his hand the American people are mostly shrugging their shoulders about the whole thing.

It's sort of a Republican hallmark at this point. Trying to overplay actual problems and then looking crazy as a result and having it blow up in their face. Move on Governor as a wise man once said.
 
StoOgE said:
See, the thing is he can make a point about her having poor decision making, for mishandling classified information and for a system where the very people making these decisions are campaigning on her behalf.

But instead he has to go full crazy about Clinton Foundation and selling US secrets and sneaking into the FBI.

The e-mail thing is like a 6/10 political blunder. Bill might have bumped it to an 8/10 political blunder last week. Trump is trying to act like this is worse than Watergate and by overplaying his hand the American people are mostly shrugging their shoulders about the whole thing.
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He's playing up to his base. It's his only methodology.
 
StoOgE said:
See, the thing is he can make a point about her having poor decision making, for mishandling classified information and for a system where the very people making these decisions are campaigning on her behalf.

But instead he has to go full crazy about Clinton Foundation and selling US secrets and sneaking into the FBI, and trying to tie it to #Benghazi.

The e-mail thing is like a 6/10 political blunder. Bill might have bumped it to an 8/10 political blunder last week. Trump is trying to act like this is worse than Watergate and by overplaying his hand the American people are mostly shrugging their shoulders about the whole thing.

It's sort of a Republican hallmark at this point. Trying to overplay actual problems and then looking crazy as a result and having it blow up in their face. Move on Governor as a wise man once said.
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That's exactly it. Trump was been given some really good ammunition and has squandered it by spinning insane conspiracy theories that only rile up the base he already has voting for him. Even when given an advantage Trump can't pull ahead because he takes these opportunities and fucks them up entirely.
 
Kreed said:
She didn't do this either. She was just careless/sloppy with the handling of emails, but this isn't unique to Hillary either. So if you are looking for something on Hillary, it's that she was careless.
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And gross negligence with classified information is a crime. It's right there in black and white. It couldn't be any more clear. It's not being prosecuted as a crime because there's practically no precedence for doing so in a case like this and making an example out of the would-be first woman president, BUT if they were to follow the literal letter of the law, she should have been indicted.
 
StoOgE said:
See, the thing is he can make a point about her having poor decision making, for mishandling classified information and for a system where the very people making these decisions are campaigning on her behalf.

But instead he has to go full crazy about Clinton Foundation and selling US secrets and sneaking into the FBI, and trying to tie it to #Benghazi.

The e-mail thing is like a 6/10 political blunder. Bill might have bumped it to an 8/10 political blunder last week. Trump is trying to act like this is worse than Watergate and by overplaying his hand the American people are mostly shrugging their shoulders about the whole thing.

It's sort of a Republican hallmark at this point. Trying to overplay actual problems and then looking crazy as a result and having it blow up in their face. Move on Governor as a wise man once said.
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Exactly. Look at all of the ammunition they were given! Instead:

Hillary Clinton snuck into the FBI -- on a Saturday, of all days!
 
StoOgE said:
See, the thing is he can make a point about her having poor decision making, for mishandling classified information and for a system where the very people making these decisions are campaigning on her behalf.

But instead he has to go full crazy about Clinton Foundation and selling US secrets and sneaking into the FBI, and trying to tie it to #Benghazi.

The e-mail thing is like a 6/10 political blunder. Bill might have bumped it to an 8/10 political blunder last week. Trump is trying to act like this is worse than Watergate and by overplaying his hand the American people are mostly shrugging their shoulders about the whole thing.

It's sort of a Republican hallmark at this point. Trying to overplay actual problems and then looking crazy as a result and having it blow up in their face. Move on Governor as a wise man once said.
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Yeah, most of Trump's statement had merit but he went full conspiracy theorist with the whole sneaking in and trading favors for cash.

He should have stopped after the first three paragraphs, but he couldnt help himself. now most sane people wont take his statement seriously.
 
Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
It was a phrase considered for all of two seconds, but as a throwaway joke, it's fine. That she was one of the most consistently interventionist members of Obama's cabinet is a matter of public record, regardless, and while the final buck stopped with Obama, making him primarily culpable, some of the mess that country devolved into is on her hands.
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I'm talking about reductionist angle on Libya, as if she started the conflict and was looking for blood.

EatinOlives said:
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My abuela can't be this corrupt.
 
The general gist of "Hillary is part of the Washington Elite that make rules for everybody else but don't live by them" is fine populist campaign rhetoric, but Trump somehow has no idea how to craft these messages to appeal to people that are not currently already on board with him.
 
Those saying Hillary would be a terrible president because she is a careless person in regards to her emails, what about Trumps carelessness in regards to running his mouth, social media media acounts and running businesses and his campaign to the ground?
 
whyamihere said:
Exactly. Look at all of the ammunition they were given! Instead:

Hillary Clinton snuck into the FBI -- on a Saturday, of all days!
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He doesn't mean literally "snuck" in. I believe he means she chose a time when Americas attention would be focused on the 4th and the holiday weekend to go in and give her interview. Many unsavory new stories are "hidden" on Fridays, long weekends, holidays, etc.
 
Rabbi_Vole said:
And gross negligence with classified information is a crime. It's right there in black and white. It couldn't be any more clear. It's not being prosecuted as a crime because there's practically no precedence for doing so in a case like this and making an example out of the would-be first woman president, BUT if they were to follow the literal letter of the law, she should have been indicted.
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As Tragicomedy posted earlier in the thread:

Tragicomedy said:
If Hillary and company were discussing TS initiatives and programs in veiled, roundabout terminology, it's fucking nothing. If Hillary was forwarding improperly marked emails that she received on her Blackberry, the originator will be investigated and may have disciplinary action. If Hillary is literally purposefully copying/pasting or typing data she knows is TS into her BB, then she should have charges.

From what we've heard on this case, we know it's not option C. So we're left with fucking nothing.
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They aren't giving Hillary special treatment because she is the first woman presidential candidate, it's that she didn't break any laws by being careless in this instance. If you truly believe "It's right there in black and white.", then produce the receipts that the FBI missed.
 
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