Intent is irrelevant in lots of legal contexts.
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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton
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Intent is irrelevant in lots of legal contexts.
Ignorant more than anything. She apparently didn't understand(or care, because who gives a shit what IT guy says) the work needed to set up her phone for email.
I have no idea reading this whether you understand what happened here, so here's Comey again:
comey said:
The classified emails, in general, weren't deleted. They were just in the emails turned over to the FBI. I'm not sure whether Clinton is still maintaining that they weren't classified by State Department standards, nor am I sure whether that's accurate. But it's not like she went and deleted all the classified emails.
As with your other posts, this post is too low-quality to make it clear what you're trying to say.
Almost all of Hillary's emails were already released to the public. Those emails that weren't released were, according to the FBI, not intentionally deleted. Since they weren't intentionally deleted, there's nothing being covered up -- that would require intentional deletion.
Obviously the emails that Hillary had that contained classified information weren't released. They contained classified information! Presumably given your stances here you don't want government agencies just releasing a bunch of classified emails.
So, like, what exactly are you expecting to see in these emails?
On mobile but this article goes over some.
ijr.com/2015/03/264655-3-federal-laws-hillary-may-violated-secret-email-accounts/
Holy shit look at the date on that article. And we're still talking about it. For better or worse, right wingers got their money out of this.
eyeball_kid
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So I guess you must think the FBI is just blowing it out of proportion as well? There are obvious serious issues with security at the State Department, and Clinton's blasé attitude towards her handling of classified material and the way she coerced her staff to ignore proper procedure and set up janky home servers for her despite their warnings is extremely problematic, and creates another question mark about what else she'd be lax about. This is a national security issue and the FBI was right to call her out publicly on it.
There's a lot of cognitive dissonance going on here.
What Hillary did wrong, despite the scathing non-indictment by the FBI director today, is not immediately obvious to a lot of Americans. Trump also lacks the sophistication to codify exactly what she did wrong, and why it was so irresponsible. So while this is a good opportunity for him, I doubt he'll get mileage out of it.
As far as the shit choice thing, many Americans agree. These are the two least-favored presidential candidates ever. Hillary should be elected safely by the strength of support among certain demographics- Hispanics, blacks, and Asians all favor her heavily. It's a real shame that it's come to this, Hillary Clinton being the savior apparent for America, but here we are. We have no idea what a Donald Trump presidency, backed by a weak Republican Congress and a conservative court, looks like, but I'm certain on one point- I don't want to find out.
Meanwhile in Trumpland
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, right? He was a bad guy. Really bad guy, Trump begins. But you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didnt read them the rights, they didnt talk. They were a terrorists - it was over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism.
Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, right? He was a bad guy. Really bad guy, Trump begins. But you know what he did well? He killed terrorists. He did that so good. They didnt read them the rights, they didnt talk. They were a terrorists - it was over. Today, Iraq is Harvard for terrorism.
Yeah, good article. Somebody should ask the FBI to investigate it and determine whether charges would be appropriate.
May of violated? All of his sources are other news analysts speculating as well.
This doesn't really point to any of these three law being "thrown away" by the recent FBI investigation.
I do agree that this being blown up to eleven was dumb, and that the the right really wanted something to take down Hillary with this cycle, but it shouldn't take away from the fact that she screwed up.
CaptainofIndustry
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I'm still trying to figure out what we did to have Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump as our top presidential candidates representing the major political parties of the United States. I'm fairly middle of the road when it comes to politics and there has got to be somebody better out there than these two.
Correct, yes.
Read the statement:
He's talking about the entire state department. It's literally old people trying to use computers. Yet, we've spent over a year crucifying one person. Not to mention McCarthy bragging about blowing this up to hurt her.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Have you ever watched or heard Clinton speak on the issues?
Like the 2nd Amendment?
Good fucking point.
TheLaughingStock
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Rigged system + self-proclaimed independents pretending not to be partisan = Trump & Hillary.
So sad to see all the posts where people say this is fine because they dont like Trump or think he is worse. This incident and how you judge her for it should have nothing to do with Trump. "Oh she messed up but Trump is racist so she gets a pass". It's crazy, don't pick sides folks.
She needs to lose her security clearance at the very least. Any other DoD worker would lose that and their job. She got special treatment and that must be acknowledged. If she accepted her faults and felt the consequences but owned up to it I would respect her a lot more.
She needs to lose her security clearance at the very least. Any other DoD worker would lose that and their job. She got special treatment and that must be acknowledged. If she accepted her faults and felt the consequences but owned up to it I would respect her a lot more.
The Sum of Zero
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Savage.
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prag16
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The only thing embarrassing here is this dynamic we have where the fact that Clinton (likely the next president) is "only" a possible (but not proven) criminal but definitely careless and arrogant, and probably stupid, is being met with thunderous applause.
I'm American, and am voting for Gary Johnson, for the record.
You know that would disqualify her from the Presidency, ergo most Democrats will defend her. It's a sad state of affairs when truth gets spun and boldfaced lies, including to Congress under oath (that all potential federal records were turned in) are accepted to the point no one seems to be up in arms about it.
Have you been paying attention to this whole ordeal? From Benghazi to this? Are you aware of Mcarthy's (sp?) statement less than a year ago? The reason people are celebrating is because the whole investigation started only as a way to harm Clinton's political aspirations. Started by people who couldn't care less about the two previous SoS and their use of private email... It's transparent.
Edit: hell republicans have been politicizing Benghazi since 2012 when they tried using it to harm Obama's re-election. They've clung to it ever since. Notice how they don't mention Obama at all anymore? It's all about Clinton now. Hmmm, wonder why that is?
Gordon Shumway
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Did Hillary actually answer any questions about her emails to congress?
Do you not remember that 11 hour hearinig back in October?
The one on Benghazi?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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The Trump moment in your post
they also discussed the emails
Yeah, but that was about BENGHAZI!
I wasn't sure if they discussed the emails during that time (though, in 11 hours, it's definitely possible)
googleplex
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I'm still waiting for an answer to this question.
So in what capacity did they discuss her emails and what did she lie about? You all are making the accusation, implied or otherwise.
yeah, there were long segments over the emails, when they went classified and the setup of the server and whatnot. it was more towards the tail end of the 11 hours iirc. or maybe around the middle.
it was a long day.
what? i never said she did lie about it. i was talking about how it was already brought up before congress.
Given this whole side-discussion spawned from an accusation that she lied to congress under oath, you can see why I might think you were making that implication.I mean, who cares if they were simply discussed. It's like, thanks for the correction but it's meaningless unless something happened more that just talking about the emails.
She signed an affidavit to a federal judge, obtained by CNN with some snakey language that she believed all federal records were turned over. I suppose that's harder to prove a lie, but they were in fact not so it stinks. I thought that was provided to Congress.
I was only brought it up because it was asked in the thread.
It was just an answer, not an implication.
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Miggytronz
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They recommend no criminal charges because she's the lead democratic presidential nominee, so once again the U.S. looks soft and crooked if you're in a position of power. Where I work I handle confidential classified drawings and they have to stay by my side the entire time I'm on the clock, end of the day check it back in to a locked vault. Use the bathroom? Bring it with you. Heat my lunch, it's with me. That's just confidential, that's the lowest besides basic clearance. She had not secret, but top secret out for grabs with who knows what documents attached to those emails. How can anyone say this isn't a big deal is beyond me. If I lost or let someone not of clearance see such drawings I have with me daily. I'm fired, fined and going to jail. It's the damn law.
#carelesslikehillary
#carelesslikehillary
timetokill
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Considering her position there was no way anything was going to happen.
But hey, at least now we get a careless and reckless president.
But hey, at least now we get a careless and reckless president.
So the Republican FBI Director is rigging this?
DrForester
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Anyone who says this has done absolutely zero research into any candidate and their entire pool of knowledge for the upcoming election comes from social media memes.
Vermillion
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You ain't never lied.
exmachina64
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To the people that believe it, it's a self-evident truism.
soundahfekz
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Please for the love of God someone answer this!!!!!!!!!
You mean Trump right?
Potential "intent"
As far as there being classified information on her privater server, there absolutely was, which is absolutely illegal. That isn't up for debate However, since there is no proof that this rule was intentionally violated, no charges are being held
"While some of the emails Clinton sent have been declared classified retroactively, Comey said 110 emails in 52 email chains were classified at the time they were sent.
Of those:
• Eight email chains contained "top secret" information.
• 36 chains contained "secret" information.
• Eight email chains contained "confidential" information, the lowest classification level.
"None of these emails should have been on any kind of unclassified system," Comey said."
"Comey said the key here is that investigators found no intent to break the law. Cases that have been filed in similar cases have been based on "clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information" or "indications of disloyalty to the United States." In the Clinton case, those elements were not found"
adamsappel
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Forgive us. We got used to things like this not mattering to conservatives when the president was a Republican.
I bet your boss leaves it on his desk when he takes a shit, and you have to bring it with you like some kind of chump! What, he thinks he's better than you?
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