i mean I guess you thought this was clever so I'll just give a gentlemanly chuckle and be on my way
hee hee hee
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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton
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i mean I guess you thought this was clever so I'll just give a gentlemanly chuckle and be on my way
hee hee hee
Rabbi_Vole
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When did she own up to her multiple lies?
Agreed. It would've been close.
Because the alternative is Trump. A racist egomaniac that is entirely unhinged.
Rabbi_Vole
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Didn't he work to desegregate golf courses back in the early 90's?
So because he is the anti Christ it's ok to let a extremely careless person into office? No
Both of these clowns should be replaced by better candidates.
Can you cite a case where this happened? From my understanding, when rank and file workers have done this, the worst that has happened is a negative letter in their personnel file or termination for repeat offenders.
Without intent, jail time is highly unlikely.
I'll take the person who has been an extremely successful public servant all her life and who made a few mistakes (like all politicians in the limelight that long) versus, ya know, the authoritarian tyrant who wants to commit war crimes and literally says racist and misogynistic shit every other day.
But WHAT DO I KNOW. I don't play the false equivalencies game well.
DrROBschiz
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she owned up to it recently?
Lol @ people voting for Gary Johnson.
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If you have a pretty good set of people on a site as left as neogaf giving up on Hillary, and hoping for Biden or someone else. There's trouble. I agree. Trump is still miles worse, but that's the opinion of a liberal. Trump was already polling fairly close to Hillary in some polls. With this, she may drop quite a few points.
I don't think this isn't a big deal for her. I just hope we choose the right person to take on Trump. This type of ammo is the absolute best type of ammo for Trump, and he knows how to use it effectively. I wouldn't underestimate this situation.
Maybe it's just exposure to politicians, but if we go by the rules of "Careless with data security" I can guarantee you that the only politicians who meet that particular bar are those who don't use technology at all.
In an organisation of 3000 people, with about 60 politicians, half the cases our IT department investigates for data breaches are from politicians. Mostly the same sort of stuff as Hillary - inappropriate usage, but no criminal intent.
Data security and classification is very hard. Normal staff members get it wrong all the time - politicians get it wrong every single day.
teruterubozu
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Fortunately the next major drama is the contested RNC and all focus will be back on Trump.
No you don't understand. They are ALL FIRED and immediately prosecuted.
(you can really tell when someone knows nothing about this subject, it's hilarious)
yes. if I had to choose between the anti christ and a careless slimeball politician i will choose the careless politician every time lol what?
DrROBschiz
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What's so funny? Has he done something more embarrassing than trump or Hillary lately? I can't believe the cool thing to do now is to diss people not under the microscope for scandals.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I'm with you. I need names. Dates. Congressional hearings. This is an outrage.
Rabbi_Vole
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How comforting. So the solution is abolishing the Internet? Not letting oopsie-daisy politicians conduct online correspondence? Maybe there was good reason they told our careless Clinton she couldn't have her precious blackberry. She just had to have it, though. What Hillary wants..
It seems the Health Insurance field is a lot more strict than the Goverment when it comes to people violating security protocols then. Glad you find it funny.
Yes, his entire economic plan is more embarassing than anything Clinton has ever done. Sure, lets vote for the moron who would wreck our economy because he is scandal free.
neoGAF is not an indication of anything in regards to her support, and most people here still support her. If you ran a poll, it would be astronomically lopsided in her direction. She'll lose a point or two, Trump will then say some new bullshit like he always does, and everyone will move on when they realize the comparison.
I'm not even remotely worried. Because I have context.
And the way Trump has been polling vs. Hillary is actually catastrophic in modern political polling terms. There's no two ways about it. It may seem close, but it's actually gargantuan compared to results of past modern elections at this point in time.
She is not getting indicted. Of course it's a big deal. More nonsense poured on her in which everyone who actually knew what they were talking about said there was no case, and lo and behold there was no case. She made a mistake, she'll fix it in the future, and nothing needs to be said further because no one got hurt in the matter.
I'm sure Republicans will try to make hay, and Trump will fuck it up like he always does.
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Thanks man, because I can't stop laughing.
We're months away from the election and Obama just started campaigning for Hillary yesterday.
We don't even know either party's VP candidate yet.
The only thing this has done is cement decisions that were likely already made. We've known for 2 years that Hillary was careless with her e-mails but as Comey said, she did not try to obstruct any investigation or lie to federal investigators. She's not hiding anything (to do with her emails anyway) and has repeatedly admitted it was a mistake that won't happen again.
Meanwhile, during the week in which the GOP should be dancing around a fiery effigy of Clinton, they're having to disavow yet another Trump tweet and explain their support for a candidate who continues to pander to white nationalists.
I'm not saying we got this on lock, but this is definitely the Dem's election to lose and despite some missteps it seems so far the nation is choosing the woman who made a mistake about email over the guy who keeps being accidentally racist.
Veritigo_X
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DrROBschiz
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Yeah this is a far more concerning takeaway
I knew it couldnt just be Hillary. Its a work culture and possibly training issue?
Anybody who thinks that this email "scandal" puts Hillary Clinton anywhere NEAR the same plane as Donald Fucking Trump, a man who was praising SADDAM HUSSEIN just last night (to say nothing else of this shit he's done in the last few months), needs to be fucking honest about what is obvious: you were never going to vote for her, and you just needed the tiniest crumb to latch onto to justify it. Because holy shit at the cognitive dissonance that logic requires.
no its just that its normal for a white collar crime like this to come down to intent, otherwise its always slap on the wrist. carelessness is next to gross negligence but not quite the same.
FreedomFighter
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Hillary Clinton sets up private email server to conduct state business and was sending and receiving top secret information which is illegal, but she didn't intend to, according to Comey. It was all by accident.
Comey: "Hillary broke the law, but we're just gonna give her a pass. This is not to say anyone else who does this will though... because elite immunity only applies to the few, the proud, the..."
Days earlier, on a plane in Arizona:
Bill Clinton: "'Retta, I need this to go away."
Loretta Lynch: "Yes, Mr. Clinton. You can count on me!"
Clinton: "Good, and for your service, how about staying on as Attorney General in Hillary Clinton administration?"
Lynch: "Why, I'd like that very much, sir!"
To Be Continued...
Comey: "Hillary broke the law, but we're just gonna give her a pass. This is not to say anyone else who does this will though... because elite immunity only applies to the few, the proud, the..."
Days earlier, on a plane in Arizona:
Bill Clinton: "'Retta, I need this to go away."
Loretta Lynch: "Yes, Mr. Clinton. You can count on me!"
Clinton: "Good, and for your service, how about staying on as Attorney General in Hillary Clinton administration?"
Lynch: "Why, I'd like that very much, sir!"
To Be Continued...
People have a view of Clinton that they want to make real.
Her cooperating fully with a lengthy investigation in which the most damning thing you could say is that she was careless with emails is how they want to make that happen I guess.
It's mostly because the policies just don't work. I have two different security systems aside from my normal work email for sending secure data, and both are an absolute ass to use. I routinely have people, including very senior police officers and politicians, use our normal, unsecured email system to send stuff because it's simple too much of a hassle to load up egress to send over a name.
Is it wrong? Absolutely.
Does it happen all the time, every day? Absolutely.
Heck, despite training every person in the organisation I guarantee 9/0 wouldn't be able to tell you the different levels of classification protection we should be using.
In my experience, the military are the only people who can handle this okay - and even then you get cases like Petraeus.
What about the sex? Clinton definitely did it with Loretta. I mean Retta.
Rabbi_Vole
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She wasn't just careless with "emails." These weren't Dilbert cartoons and lunch invites to Chilis. She was careless with National Security. You know, the thing she was sworn to protect.
[That Weekend...]
*2 way radio static*
Bill: "Hillary come in. You sure about this? I can always do this for you, you know I'm more experienced. Over."
Hillary: "Please. You always get to have all the fun. I'm taking this one. And I'm leaving the radio outside. Over." *shoots grappling hook onto roof of FBI HQ*
Bill "Hillary no don--" kkkhhhhh
*cue mission impossible music*
DrROBschiz
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Jesus
I would say many areas of government are long overdue for overhauls. There should be yearly audits and upgrade budgets in place to keep things smooth and efficient
But since our government is constantly shuffling staff and is bureacratic by nature this probably will never be the case
welllllllllllll she did mishandle 110 classified emails over 50+ threads and blatantly lie about it
i support Hillary but I still stand by the notion shes worse than most of her supporters are willing to admit but nowhere near as bad as her opposition paints her to be.
she fucked up real bad though. lets not act like shes innocent and everyone who believes otherwise is a trump supporter
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It is interesting. Clinton speaks with expertise and nuance on pretty much every issue regardless of it's complexity and draws conclusions based on evidence. But that's just not enough, even though her opponent is an intellectually stunted manchild who regurgitates conspiracy theories he hears on infowars. Some people just don't have a sense of perspective, or have messed up priorities.
Rabbi_Vole
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I think to be frank it's more a case that the policies simply don't work at all in a modern technological environment. They are set up to manage a system where emails are sent infrequently, and are basically like the old triplicate memo's that organisations used to send.
That's not how email is used anymore at all. Even worse, we are now shifting away from email onto chat systems, and how do you police those?
I agree government is bad at these things, but I would also say the system set-up are fundamentally flawed and do not work in a modern working environment where you might send 200+ emails a day. Heck, there's a reason data protection officers are generally as much loved as health and safety officers in an organisations.
She a dumb mistake, nothing terrible has come from it. If every politician was grilled the same way Hillary has been for mistakes of such caliber, our government wouldn't function. At this point really I'm almost just rolling my eyes and sighing obstructionist Republicans about all this news.
She should own up to her mistake, apologize, and everyone should just let it go. How people think this puts her anywhere near a similar level of atrocity as Trump is well beyond me.
I would have preferred Bernie, as idealist as he is to Hillary, but I'm certainly not going to put my vote anywhere other than her when the other major party is campaigning with a figurative monster.
She should own up to her mistake, apologize, and everyone should just let it go. How people think this puts her anywhere near a similar level of atrocity as Trump is well beyond me.
I would have preferred Bernie, as idealist as he is to Hillary, but I'm certainly not going to put my vote anywhere other than her when the other major party is campaigning with a figurative monster.
You say that as if they're two different things.
The emails she was careless with contained information that the FBI has identified as classified, nobody is denying that. She has admitted it was a mistake, been completely transparent with investigators, and said it would not be an issue going forward.
I'm sure she has a very highly paid technology advisor to make sure she doesn't foul up emails again.
So as long as you're not the level of citizen that votes for you to get into power, you will never be fired. To the common person that person is now looked at as "above the law" and "rules don't apply"
I'm not saying she should be arrested btw.
yep. politics is the perfect example of lens of bias. 5 people can watch the same debate and see totally different things happening based on what they've chosen their beliefs to be
she MAYBE would have lost her job as secretary of state its definitely a possibility . but shes not secretary of state so what are they gonna do. yeah i bet the FBI feels very strongly about her ability to be president being affected by this, but theres no reasonable legal recourse. and they probably dislike Trump even more lol
Still think this is all over blown rubbish. She violated policies, in an extremely careless manner and the net result of this was... Nothing. The world kept turning, no apocalyptic events came as a result.
The changes that needed to happen, to ensure these policies are taken seriously and followed are now in place and I imagine, given how much of a bloody stink up this caused, will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
People comparing her to the same level as Trump are deluded. There is a gulf between them that won't be filled by errors of judgement on this scale.
The changes that needed to happen, to ensure these policies are taken seriously and followed are now in place and I imagine, given how much of a bloody stink up this caused, will continue to be for the foreseeable future.
People comparing her to the same level as Trump are deluded. There is a gulf between them that won't be filled by errors of judgement on this scale.
Never did I say anything about Trump, or imply it.
Numerous democrats have negative views about Hillary built up over the decades. Their views are not something that I'm judging in any way right now.
As far as lying about it, Comey did not say that she lied about anything. In fact he said that she cooperated fully with the investigation.
We have like a hundred videos of her lying about it lol
I don't recall Comey saying that she knowingly sent classified emails, only that she should have known?
Unless I'm misremembering.
You're making it out like people taking existing classified documents and transmitting or storing them on unsecure channels but what we are really talking about are regular work emails where people slipped up by inserting somewhere in the chain details that should have been considered classified. None of the originators of these emails are in prison, so your claim is false on its face
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