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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton

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I don't recall Comey saying that she knowingly sent classified emails, only that she should have known?

Unless I'm misremembering.

They were marked classified and any reasonable person should have known not to handle them using private email

At best you can argue she had 52 email threads marked classified that she didnt even bother to acknowledge as classified and so she was mistaken when she said she didnt send or receive any marked classified. Which im not sure is any better...
 
Still think this is all over blown rubbish. She violated policies, in an extremely careless manner and the net result of this was... Nothing. The world kept turning, no apocalyptic events came as a result.

The changes that needed to happen, to ensure these policies are taken seriously and followed are now in place and I imagine, given how much of a bloody stink up this caused, will continue to be for the foreseeable future.

People comparing her to the same level as Trump are deluded. There is a gulf between them that won't be filled by errors of judgement on this scale.

The FBI and the State Department also need to get on the same page about what constitutes classified information.

From my understand after reading up on this, the issue wasn't that Hillary was intentionally sending classified materials, it's that in most of the email chains she spoke on subjects that were apparently classified.

That seems more like a standards issue to me. But hey, string up the witch!
 
Hillary being on record numerous times as saying none of the emails were classified is why I think this is such a bad look.

Comey basically went, "Yeah, no. That's bullshit. There were 100+."
 
Never did I say anything about Trump, or imply it.

Numerous democrats have negative views about Hillary built up over the decades. Their views are not something that I'm judging in any way right now.

As far as lying about it, Comey did not say that she lied about anything. In fact he said that she cooperated fully with the investigation.

She might not of lied to the FBI, but she certainly lied to the American people about it. "I did not send or receive classified information." "I had permission to setup the servers."

No qualifiers. Very black and white statements. She lied. Whether or not you care she lied is up to you, but she did.
 
Comey did not say that Clinton knowingly sent classified information.

They were marked classified. 110+ emails over 52 threads.

To say she didnt knowingly send them is to say she was mistaken when she said "I did not send or receive any emails marked classified" a million times, and that her mistake is literally being unable to discern classified information which is almost worse than lying about it for political reasons


I did nothing wrong was a lie. They denied her permission and she did it anyways.

I did not mishandle classified info is a lie. She did.


Anyways, the more this conversation leaks to other pages the more ill be mistaken for a Trump supporter and random people will start quoting this and trying to fight me so yeah you get what im trying to say
 
People have a view of Clinton that they want to make real.

Her cooperating fully with a lengthy investigation in which the most damning thing you could say is that she was careless with emails is how they want to make that happen I guess.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lary-clintons-email-did-she-follow-all-rules/

"Using a personal email account exclusively is a potent prescription for flouting the Federal Records Act and circumventing the Freedom of Information Act," Metcalfe said. "And there can be little doubt that Clinton knew this full well."

She's a career politician who didn't comply from the start. Compliance would have been using a government email account that captured her correspondence and made it available in the event of a FOIA request. She knew this was the case and intentionally obfuscated her business dealings as Secretary of State.

She is the ONLY Secretary of State to exclusively use a personal email account. She never once used a .gov account. That's shady as fuck. Not surprising though. It's Hilary.
 
Comey did not say that Clinton knowingly sent classified information.

"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

This could be even worse depending on how you feel about it.
 
They were marked classified. 110+ emails over 52 threads.

To say she didnt knowingly say them is to say she was mistaken when she said "I did not send or receive any emails marked classified" a million times, and that her mistake is literally being unable to discern classified information which is almost worse than lying about it for political reasons

He did not say they were marked classified, he said the information discussed was classified at the time. He goes on to say only a "very small number" [not given] of those classified emails had any markings

Again, this should be clear when you consider that we are talking email discussions not document sharing. For instance, we know that 7 of the "top secret" chains included discussion of the CIA's "top secret" drone program. That was classified at the time and still is. If I sent you an email about it though, it would not have any classification markings
 
They were marked classified. 110+ emails over 52 threads.

To say she didnt knowingly say them is to say she was mistaken when she said "I did not send or receive any emails marked classified" a million times, and that her mistake is literally being unable to discern classified information which is almost worse than lying about it for political reasons

That's you're opinion. We don't know the content of these classified emails or how they were "marked" but it's clear that she believed they were not classified at the time.

So to say, with certainty, that she lied is incorrect I believe.

She might not of lied to the FBI, but she certainly lied to the American people about it. "I did not send or receive classified information." "I had permission to setup the servers."

No qualifiers. Very black and white statements. She lied. Whether or not you care she lied is up to you, but she did.

I don't believe she knowingly lied about those statements.

If she did, I would not care much. Her good works would vastly outweigh a few lies about emails that she then cooperated with federal investigators about.
 
He did not say they were marked classified, he said the information discussed was classified at the time. He goes on to say only a "very small number" [not given] of those classified emails had any markings

Again, this should be clear when you consider that we are talking email discussions not document sharing.

So she lied. If any were marked and only an absolute idiot could miss, she lied.
 
Hillary being on record numerous times as saying none of the emails were classified is why I think this is such a bad look.

Comey basically went, "Yeah, no. That's bullshit. There were 100+."

I'd say the worst part is that they got into the hands of "hostile actors" as he put it.
 
"There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

This could be even worse depending on how you feel about it.

Yes, this is very true. But all email is the unclassified system, and not just the use of her personal system.

There's really two issues here. Shit that should never have ever been in email, period, and shit that should have been confined to government servers. The first issue is wildly more important than the latter. There are at least two other systems in place for discussing such information.

Hillary being on record numerous times as saying none of the emails were classified is why I think this is such a bad look.

Comey basically went, "Yeah, no. That's bullshit. There were 100+."

You're kind of blending a few things together. Her contention was that they weren't *marked* classified, which was mostly true with a few exceptions. But things actually being classified is hard, because what is and what isn't change from department to department and can be vague, and disregards the "source" of the information. For example, some of Blumenthal's emails about things he heard from Libyans and Syrians were "classified" despite coming from outside government channels. Copy-pastes of articles about drone programs are Secret or Top Secret, even if they are widely published. The coded messages from diplomats count as Secret/ Top Secret. And none of those were sent by Hillary, only received, mostly as forwards of other chains.
 
People need to remember Hillary is a fucking smart ass lawyer. This whole notion that Barack Obama Hillary Clinton doesn't know what she's doing is a little hard to swallow

I support her (lol gotta stick this disclaimer in everywhere) but she is a mess sometimes

I think she honestly fucked up and successfully covered her tracks
 
That's you're opinion. We don't know the content of these classified emails or how they were "marked" but it's clear that she believed they were not classified at the time.

So to say, with certainty, that she lied is incorrect I believe.



I don't believe she knowingly lied about those statements.

If she did, I would not care much. Her good works would vastly outweigh a few lies about emails that she then cooperated with federal investigators about.

She made her VERY certain statement numerous times. You would think she would have done her homework before being so certain. I guess it's just a case of carelessness.. Sloppiness.

Someone needs to start up a children's book series "Careless Clinton." It can be a hybrid of Amelia Badelia and Mr Magoo. Maybe Matt and Trey will do a sitcom similar to Thats My Bush.
 
People need to remember Hillary is a fucking smart ass lawyer. This whole notion that Barack Obama Hillary Clinton doesn't know what she's doing is a little hard to swallow

I support her (lol gotta stick this disclaimer in everywhere) but she is a mess sometimes

Oh I'm sure that she knows exactly what she's doing... well, I question her knowledge on information security in 2008. I don't believe that she set up a private email server in order to hide anything considering how she's acted since then.
 
People need to remember Hillary is a fucking smart ass lawyer. This whole notion that Barack Obama Hillary Clinton doesn't know what she's doing is a little hard to swallow

I support her (lol gotta stick this disclaimer in everywhere) but she is a mess sometimes

Like her or not, but Condoleeza Rice is incredibly smart. She's also unable to use email apparently.
 
Oh I'm sure that she knows exactly what she's doing... well, I question her knowledge on information security in 2008. I don't believe that she set up a private email server in order to hide anything considering how she's acted since then.

Yeah me neither I don't think shes technologically literate and just fucked up cuz shes a comfy politician whos used to cutting whatever corners she wants lol

But yeah Im confident shes got her heart in the right place and a lot to prove
 
She made her VERY certain statement numerous times. You would think she would have done her homework before being so certain. I guess it's just a case of carelessness.. Sloppiness.

Someone needs to start up a children's book series "Careless Clinton." It can be a hybrid of Amelia Badelia and Mr Magoo. Maybe Matt and Trey will do a sitcom similar to Thats My Bush.

Yea, sometimes people are sloppy. The leader of the free world should be held to a higher standard but I don't believe she has been invalidated from that standard by being sloppy with email in 2008.

You should totally write that book I'm sure it'd make you lots of money.
 
I almost feel like people are minimizing the situation by saying "careless with email."

"Extremely careless with national security secrets and confidential information" is a bit more fitting.
 
So she lied. If any were marked and only an absolute idiot could miss, she lied.

Her claim was that she did not use her email for information marked as classified (and therefore she did not send or receive any) because there is an entirely separate system for that. You say a handful of exceptions means she was lying. I, and Comey, say they mean she was wrong. You 're entitled to whichever you want to believe, not my job to convince you
 
You're kind of blending a few things together. Her contention was that they weren't *marked* classified, which was mostly true with a few exceptions. But things actually being classified is hard, because what is and what isn't change from department to department and can be vague, and disregards the "source" of the information. For example, some of Blumenthal's emails about things he heard from Libyans and Syrians were "classified" despite coming from outside government channels. Copy-pastes of articles about drone programs are Secret or Top Secret, even if they are widely published. The coded messages from diplomats count as Secret/ Top Secret. And none of those were sent by Hillary, only received, mostly as forwards of other chains.

This is the important bit, like I stated in my last post.

I wish this could be stickied to the top of every page.

There are huge problems with the way our government handles information and technology, how information is classified, and explicitly how that information should be handled. Pinning this all on Hillary Clinton (someone who served in the State Department for only four years), just gives our government an excuse to remain ass-backwards.
 
Her claim was that she did not use her email for information marked as classified (and therefore she did not send or receive any) because there is an entirely separate system for that. You say a handful of exceptions means she was lying. I, and Comey, say they mean she was wrong. You 're entitled to whichever you want to believe, not my job to convince you
Comet never said she didn't lie to the American people. I'm sure she was straight during her interview because of the potential repercussions.

I wonder if they'll release the interview transcripts.
 
You've never been allowed to keep classified information (of any level) in your own private custody on purpose or accidentally. This is explicitly taught and expected of you when granted a clearance. For her to be so willfully ignorant is awfully damning of not just her intelligence but her own moral fiber not to mention the classist bias in letting her get away scott free with something that if I had done I would have been in prison almost immediately.

1. your last claim there is factually incorrect. The very people who prosecute violations have repeatedly stated that prosecution is largely hinged upon intent.

2. great, there is a rule about not putting classified info on an unsecured communication network. But then the same rules allow for everyone to use personal unsecured communcation networks and just assume that those people will mentally check themselves 100% of the time without error. This is the problem I'm pointing to. It's the equivalent of telling your kid not to eat all the cookies, while leaving them untended with all of the cookies.


You are making exactly the inference Comey was hoping for, from a political motivation, with this assessment.

Lets recap what was actually said:
110 emails in 52 chains contained classified information. Hillary Clinton was included on only 7 of those chains.

Comey then said that there was "a very small number of the emails... [that] bore markings that indicated the presence of classified information."

At no point was it stated that the 7 chains Clinton was included on were the ones already marked classified. Her statement has always been that she did not send or receive anything marked classified.

This is an assessment of the State Department's email methods, not just Clinton's personal server, and the assessment shows an incredibly poor job at handling classified information in a secure manner. This does not however point towards Clinton actually lying. In fact, the lack of an indictment and Comey's clear intent in parsing these two statements makes a pretty clear inference that there was no event in which Hillary Clinton herself sent or received classified information marked as such in the transmittal. If so we would likely be talking about indictment proceedings.

Beyond that, the classification method used by the FBI is incredibly broad and includes information that should have been classified, but was sent to the State Dept. by foreign officials via similar unsecured networks.

Which brings us back to my original point - we continue to let elected officials and cabinet staff work under the assumption that they'll follow every and all rule despite given limited structure or oversight, and now we're supposed to be surprised that something like this occurred. It's faux outrage at it's finest. Stop allowing any elected official with classified clearance from conducting any form of business over a personal network. Just stop it, period, and reject communication from unsecured networks from foreign allies, forcing them to play by similar rules. It isn't that hard, but the powers that be are more focused on writing rules and guidelines than they are in establishing an effective system that inherently supports obedience to those rules and guidelines.
 
Yea, sometimes people are sloppy. The leader of the free world should be held to a higher standard but I don't believe she has been invalidated from that standard by being sloppy with email in 2008.

You should totally write that book I'm sure it'd make you lots of money.

She wasn't sloppy with her email. She never once used her encrypted .gov email acct. She also had a private email server setup in her home that she filtered all correspondence through. No other Secretary of State operated with so little transparency or oversight. Ever. You're going to sit here with a straight face and tell me that Hilary Clinton, as Secretary of State, NEVER thought she'd send ANY classified correspondence? That's fucking laughable.

She knew she was sending classified emails over unsecure networks and she knew she was violating policy. She did it to circumvent government watchdog groups because she didn't want her dealings monitored.
 
She signed an affidavit to a federal judge, obtained by CNN with some snakey language that she believed all federal records were turned over. I suppose that's harder to prove a lie, but they were in fact not so it stinks. I thought that was provided to Congress.

If you actually listened to what the FBI guy said, they found no maleficence in the way her lawyers parsed the emails from personal to work and therefore t was reasonable for Hillary to think all work related emails were turned over.
 
She wasn't sloppy with her email. She never once used her encrypted .gov email acct. She also had a private email server setup in her home that she filtered all correspondence through. No other Secretary of State operated with so little transparency or oversight. Ever. You're going to sit here with a straight face and tell me that Hilary Clinton, as Secretary of State, NEVER thought she'd send ANY classified correspondence? That's fucking laughable.

She knew she was sending classified emails over unsecure networks and she knew she was violating policy. She did it to circumvent government watchdog groups because she didn't want her dealings monitored.

Your first paragraph is an opinion you're entitled to, and one that the FBI does not share as they've said there was no intent and she was simply careless.

The second paragraph though is simply not true I believe, considering how transparent she's been since the server was discovered a few years ago. She has not once tried to hide any emails or information that were related to the server.

If she was being so secretive, why would she then be so transparent afterwards? She clearly does not have anything to hide regarding this server.
 
They were marked classified and any reasonable person should have known not to handle them using private email

At best you can argue she had 52 email threads marked classified that she didnt even bother to acknowledge as classified and so she was mistaken when she said she didnt send or receive any marked classified. Which im not sure is any better...

The FBI has even said that she was only included in 7 of those threads. Get your facts straight.
 
She signed an affidavit to a federal judge, obtained by CNN with some snakey language that she believed all federal records were turned over. I suppose that's harder to prove a lie, but they were in fact not so it stinks. I thought that was provided to Congress.

That's pretty normal in anything equivalent to legal "discovery".
 
She knew she was sending classified emails over unsecure networks and she knew she was violating policy. She did it to circumvent government watchdog groups because she didn't want her dealings monitored.

Simple question: then why wasn't she indicted?

If everything is exactly as you said, exactly clear as you have just put it and she "knew" what she was doing, then what she did was clearly illegal and she would have been indicted.

So why didn't Comey recommend charges? From the tone of his words he clearly would have if he could.

Maybe things aren't quite that simple? As several posters in this thread have gone out of their way to spell out?
 
Your first paragraph is an opinion you're entitled to, and one that the FBI does not share as they've said there was no intent and she was simply careless.

The second paragraph though is simply not true I believe, considering how transparent she's been since the server was discovered a few years ago. She has not once tried to hide any emails or information that were related to the server.

If she was being so secretive, why would she then be so transparent afterwards? She clearly does not have anything to hide regarding this server.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...lary-clintons-email-did-she-follow-all-rules/

"Although some former secretaries of state occasionally used personal emails for official business, Clinton is the only one who never once used an @state.gov email address in the era of email. Some have questioned whether that practice violated rules regulating email use, transparency, records management or security"

Spoiler... It's a violation according to the Code of Federal Regulations.

That's not MY opinion. That's a fucking fact! Read that fact check. Hilary is full of shit.

And as far as turning over all emails, we'll never know how many she sent because she's the only person that has record of them. This wouldn't be an issue if she'd followed protocol to begin with. For all her transparency, why'd she fucking lie about it over and over?
 
Simple question: then why wasn't she indicted?

If everything is exactly as you said, exactly clear as you have just put it and she "knew" what she was doing, then what she did was clearly illegal and she would have been indicted.

So why didn't Comey recommend charges? From the tone of his words he clearly would have if he could.

Maybe things aren't quite that simple? As several posters in this thread have gone out of their way to spell out?

Comey said in his address that anyone else would be held accountable. Why's Hilary walking?
 
This is the important bit, like I stated in my last post.

I wish this could be stickied to the top of every page.

There are huge problems with the way our government handles information and technology, how information is classified, and explicitly how that information should be handled. Pinning this all on Hillary Clinton (someone who served in the State Department for only four years), just gives our government an excuse to remain ass-backwards.

Isn't the problem with using the "Well they weren't technically marked but were just about classified information!" argument the fact that....well she was basically circumventing the intended system which would have been used to "mark" such conversations. So they didn't even have the oversight to mark such threads/mail chains.

My experience with any such security systems is limited, and definitely not on the level of government correspondences. So I might be completely off the mark but from the statements, I was under the impression that she was still discussing information that if it went through their normal secure system it would have been marked as classified. I figured the few exceptions they mentioned were actually her being stupid enough to attach marked documents or something. Which would be kind of crazy so I hope I am wrong.
 
No, potential violations. It's literally what he said, and why they couldn't bring charges. Intent is a separate matter. Again, there would be charges if there was actually something to this.
False.

They could.

"You can indict a ham sandwich" is a common turn of phrase because it's true.

For an indictment you look for the 0.000000001% chance that a violation occurred. After that you hand the rest off to courts.

He stated there were potential violations outright which is far more than you need to bring a hammer down.

Indictments aren't rulings. Don't confuse the two.

Jim Carey: so you're saying there's a chance!

Is quite literally all you need to indict. I personally don't feel they did because there would be too many people going down as she wasn't just emailing or responding to herself. Not making excuses for her but there's a larger problem beyond Hillary here as I stated in a previous post. She's just target No.1 from the right.
 
Held accountable is not the same thing as indicted for a federal crime.

He was equally clear that while consequences are in order, federal charges are not on the menu for anybody in this situation.

Your reaction to that segment of what he said makes it clear that you hear what you want to hear and nothing else.

I do think every voter needs to look at the history of the way the us has handled government employees mishandling classified information and then ask if someone who did that should be given access to even more secure and sensitive information.

Of course this is balanced with "what's the alternative to allowing someone with this negative mark on their record to become president" and that's where the decision is made. It's a shame that it's become a best of two worst options for most people. There's a lot more issues and opinions involved of course.
 
False.

They could.

"You can indict a ham sandwich" is a common turn of phrase because it's true.

For an indictment you look for the 0.000000001% chance that a violation occurred. After that you hand the rest off to courts.

He stated there were potential violations outright which is far more than you need to bring a hammer down.

Indictments aren't rulings. Don't confuse the two.

Jim Carey: so you're saying there's a chance!

Is quite literally all you need to indict. I personally don't feel they did because there would be too many people going down as she wasn't just emailing or responding to herself. Not making excuses for her but there's a larger problem beyond Hillary here as I stated in a previous post. She's just target No.1 from the right.

Are you arguing semantics?

"Although there is evidence of potential violations regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case,"

Potential violations that no reasonable prosecutor would consider a case. It's stated plain as day.
 
This is my Facebook right now.

Mine too. People are completely losing their minds, as if the greatest scandal in American History just occurred.

I think they realized that this was there last chance to stop her from being president (because they can't win with old fashioned votes).

I'm not sure if it's funny or scary.
 
Mine too. People are completely losing their minds, as if the greatest scandal in American History just occurred.

I think they realized that this was there last chance to stop her from being president (because they can't win with old fashioned votes).

I'm not sure if it's funny or scary.

I will never understand why so many GAF users have Facebook timelines full of idiots.

Do you just accept every friend request or something? Even racist uncles and shit? Why?

I've had an account from back when it was only accessible with a edu address, but I have never seen any of the shit that I see referenced or posted here from any of my friends.
 
I almost feel like people are minimizing the situation by saying "careless with email."

"Extremely careless with national security secrets and confidential information" is a bit more fitting.

And yet these secrets and confidential information weren't marked classified

edit: Rather, I meant to say and yet MOST weren't
 
No, he said anybody else would have been disciplined by their employer. Not convicted of a crime.

Gonna answer my question?

I don't know why she wasn't indicted. Maybe it had something to do with Bill meeting with Comey's boss for 3 hours a few days ago?

As far as disciplined by their employer, you mean like having your security credential revoked and career terminated?

Why is Hilary getting off scott free when she CLEARLY violated FRP and FOIA standards? Wanna answer that?
 
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