Stock prices jumped on this news.
The threat of Trump is basically the American Brexit at this point.
The threat of Trump is basically the American Brexit at this point.
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FBI will not recommend indictment for Hillary Clinton
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That also means there was a 50% chance that she'd be in the clear. Y'all need to play more X-Com
Shamrock7r
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I would agree. That was still pretty scathing of a press conference despite no indictment. That's going to go over the head of people already set on voting Hillary but I think it will definitely have an impact on the fence sitters.
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BuzzFeed News is a fantastic and credible source
riskVSreward
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Pick the lesser of two evils with gusto!
Haha nice edit.
smokeandmirrors
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lol says it all really
HUELEN10
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The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?
I'll post what I posted in the old thread.
All those classified AT the time emails? Absolutely disgusting. Evidence of being extremely careless confirmed. 7 top secret email chains at the time, my god...
Not even supported by full-time security staff for god's sake! Jesus wept.
I think the FBI director was excellent in his statement, and I appreciated how detailed he was, specially bring to light the sheer amount of gross negligence. I absolutely admire how the FBI handle is, and kept it open for the justice department, stating outright that this does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for something of this nature.
I'll post what I posted in the old thread.
All those classified AT the time emails? Absolutely disgusting. Evidence of being extremely careless confirmed. 7 top secret email chains at the time, my god...
Not even supported by full-time security staff for god's sake! Jesus wept.
I think the FBI director was excellent in his statement, and I appreciated how detailed he was, specially bring to light the sheer amount of gross negligence. I absolutely admire how the FBI handle is, and kept it open for the justice department, stating outright that this does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for something of this nature.
Already Torn
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Trump's kicking himself for already picking Crooked Hillary instead of Careless Clinton.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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But he is the one to talk about carelessness especially when his entire campaign is built off being careless. Wasn't it the other day that he added a star of David on his slam Hilary tweet? I mean.... That could very much backfire on him.
He was careless with his University. Careless with his campaign advisor that he had to fire. Careless with the way he talks about everyone and everything. He is walking "Carelessness" poster.
I don't think this changes anyone's opinions on how they already felt about Hillary or Trump ¯_(ツ_/¯
It might flip a few people towards Trump (not enough to make a blip) that there were confidential emails when she said there weren't.
Saint Gregory
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As many tried to argue in the zillion email scandal threads, you can't reasonably expect the SoS and head of the State Department to be aware and responsible for the rules governing IT security. She's basically an appointed executive and there are full time employees of her agency who are responsible for making sure those policies are enforced.
Now if the FBI had found evidence that State Department employees went to her and told her to shut down her server and she said no then maybe this issue would be more serious.
Now if the FBI had found evidence that State Department employees went to her and told her to shut down her server and she said no then maybe this issue would be more serious.
Because pretty much every politician ever has lied to the public, including all of the candidates for every party (including the minors) running this year.
In fact, it's the goddamn job of the POTUS to do just that when in the nation's best interests.
We aren't electing someone we actually have a beer with or someone who will be teaching our kid's kindergarten class. We're electing the goddamn leader for the free world. The "boss" of the entire nation.
This argument makes about as much sense as the 100% transparency nonsense some people keep crying out for. Not only is it impractical, it is also wildly irresponsible.
Clinton should use this as a pivot point to talk about rolling out new standards for government security and IT protocols across all branches including an oversight process from a branch of gov't. outside the chain of command for each respective branch (i.e. Sec. Service oversees the intelligence community programs, various intelligence community agencies oversee the various governmental entities).
Be a good way for her to spin a mea culpa into arguing about having more robust and comprehensive policies.
metalslimer
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To be honest, I think there are very few fence sitters in this election consider the extreme difference between the two candidates. It might convince some of the Bernie people to just stay home at best.
BlisterBrown
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I'm so glad that she's only a liar and exposed government secrets! YASSSSSSSSSSSSS
gutterboy44
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The only way reasonable moderates were going to change their vote was if criminal charges were brought against her. The people who were already voting for Trump will still use this as ammo, but without charges brought against her, I don't see how anyone who was on the fence will go Trump because she was careless with emails. There are so many other very current, very tangible differences between these two candidates that when it comes time to vote, I don't see it having a meaningful impact on the undecided. People awaiting this announcement could have just as easily jumped into HRC camp now that she is clear as those jumping to Trump with the news of careless behavior.
BudokaiMR2
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Even though I am ultimately relieved over the result, this really does bother me more than it should. I am going to vote for her because it's the only choice, but it really is sad.
A fuck up like this would have probably ended any other government official's career.
Hell, even working in the game industry with some of the clients I deal with, this amount of carelessness would put me out of a job.
Anoregon
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Absolutely not, no. The FBI recommending an indictment is literally the only way an indictment had any possibility of happening.
While I agree that she would be better than Trump, it's also stupid to just throw this away. Her decision making caused her to make this careless decision, and a mistake is a mistake. She did have classified e-mails, some top secret, and the FBI guy himself said it's possible it was hacked, but they couldn't directly detect that.
That decision making and leadership goes hand in hand.
United Kingdom: 87% white
United States: 63% white
That's why Trump won't happen here
He's poking fun at a poster who suggested that because there are two possibilities, each must have a 50% likelihood.
Psychoward
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because look who the fucking alternative is
it doesn't take a rocket scientist or a neurosurgeon to realize that voting for Hillary is the sane thing to do in November
Veritigo_X
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Keep hanging on to that hope. I'm sure Obama's DOJ will indict her right after he campaigns with her later today.
PeskyToaster
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kinda sucks to have to pick between these Trump and Clinton though. Direct primaries are not the right process for picking people with the qualifications for leadership.
balladofwindfishes
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By the DoJ? Uhh... I really doubt Obama is going to push the DoJ to indict Hillary if the FBI says there's no evidence.
Haha amazing.
SolidSnakex
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It says so much about these presidential candidates that we have people celebrating that one of the candidates it just a liar. It's mindboggling that this country somehow stumbled onto electing Obama when you see this shitshow.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Could, but absolutely won't, so who gives a shit.
Deadly Cyclone
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I don't have a big enough salt photo for this.
Someone check on r/S4P, they have been talking about wanting to see Hillary in orange for the longest.
Well here you go:
I am reading some comments on The Donald (never been to it before) and some of them are fantastic. The salt could fill a sea.
teruterubozu
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With who though? People who already dislike her?
Even then, out of 30,000+ emails? I'm not losing any sleep over it. It was not purposeful or with malice, and the director said it was not out of the ordinary practices that state department as a whole was using. Not indictment worthy, and hardly shame worthy consider it was just fucking bad email policy of the government in general in 2008-2012.
Except the FBI Director did say that "no reasonable person" in this position would have exchanged in emails such as this. I think it's fair that you would expect her to be aware of it and not partake, even if it sounds like the security culture in the State Department is god awful.
I don't disagree with your sentiment but the polling had Brexit pretty close. Hillary has been polling fairly well against Trump. We'll have to see what kind of fallout this creates.
Looks like we'll still be waiting for tomorrow for a loooong time.
BrutishMrFish
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Not even the lesser of two evils. The democrat platform aligns with my wishes for the future for the most part. The chance to take back the Senate, to stack the SCOTUS more liberally, moving the country forward. I'm onboard with that.
I dont disagree , she is lucky to be going up against Trump.
Today didn't make her look better as a Presidential candidate.
JetBlackPanda
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Sorry man. Grandma was trying her best but she just didn't understand technology and the state department had run this way prior.
Nothing is going to happen.
TheOohChild
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A lot of the alt-right crazies seem to be glossing over the fact Comey harshly criticized Clinton, and instead seem to be suggesting that Comey is an establishment cuckshill.
The only indictment coming out this press conference is that the American public has two shitty choices for president this election cycle.
I mean, for sure. Unless she drops dead by November I don't think it's possible for Clinton not to be president.
But, as a Democrat, I'm not going to wear "my candidate technically didn't break any specific laws" as a badge of pride.
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