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[riskVSreward]

Hillary could personally murder a family of 4 and people would still be like... "but Trump..."

She really lucked out to be running against the end of the world.

 

[vainglorious]

so y did she lie and tell us she received nothing marked as classified. y do u guys still want to vote for a deceiver of the public

The FBI, CIA, and State Department all have different protocol and procedures for classifying information. Information sent to and from Hillary's email was not considered classified by the State Department, but other agencies like the FBI and CIA have disagreed with the State Department's labeling. The FBI report is going to refer to information that it considers classified as classified because that's what the FBI believes, even though the State Department is not in agreement.

 

[SDCowboy]

Stock prices jumped on this news.

The threat of Trump is basically the American Brexit at this point.

Odd, I'm looking at the market numbers right now and they don't seem to be going up at all currently. In fact, they seem to be going down further.

 

[FrontalMonk]

The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?

I'll post what I posted in the old thread.

All those classified AT the time emails? Absolutely disgusting. Evidence of being extremely careless confirmed. 7 top secret email chains at the time, my god...

Not even supported by full-time security staff for god's sake! Jesus wept.

I think the FBI director was excellent in his statement, and I appreciated how detailed he was, specially bring to light the sheer amount of gross negligence. I absolutely admire how the FBI handle is, and kept it open for the justice department, stating outright that this does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for something of this nature.

Could she? Sure.

Will she? Nope.

Loretta Lynch flat out said, in a move to distance herself from any semblance of impropriety after the impromptu meeting she had with Bill, that she would take whatever the recommendations of the FBI were. The implication was that if she got a recommendation to indict, she would indict. But now that the recommendation is to *not* indict? Why would she?

 

[Nibel]

The system is rigged. General Petraeus got in trouble for far less. Very very unfair! As usual, bad judgment.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

 

[Darryl M R]

The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?

.

Sure.

 

[Future]

The most corrupt and extremely careless politician ever!

 

[NoblesseOblige]

While I agree that she would be better than Trump, it's also stupid to just throw this away. Her decision making caused her to make this careless decision, and a mistake is a mistake. She did have classified e-mails, some top secret, and the FBI guy himself said it's possible it was hacked, but they couldn't directly detect that.

That decision making and leadership goes hand in hand.

What part of I don't care about it makes you think I have any interest in keeping it? I don't even think world leader's e-mails should be classified to begin with, so her screw up inadvertently achieves the openness I prefer. So again, I couldn't care less about the top secret e-mails being insecure.

 

[QuantumZebra]

Pretty much. He'll find a way to mess this tiny opportunity up too.

"The FBI is full of minorities that are slaves to the corporate machine run by Crooked Hillary! I'd create the best FBI, full of great people who are great"

Spoiler

id be surprised if he doesnt say something like this

 

[BlisterBrown]

I don't have a big enough salt photo for this.

But I mean, that's exactly what happened. Hilary told the media endlessly that she never sent or received classified email. And Comey said that while there was no direct evidence of an breach by foreign hackers, such breaches would probably not leave evidence? And that she used her blackberry to send work emails in "sophisticated countires"? And that many public emails she regularly messaged were compromised? Or did I just make that all up in a salty rage?

 

[MartyStu]

When do y'all think the republican congressional investigation into the FBI investigation will start?

 

[JordanN]

United Kingdom: 87% white

United States: 63% white

That's why Trump won't happen here

Yet I was being told in another thread that didn't matter.

 

[Jeels]

Hillary could personally murder a family of 4 and people would still be like... "but Trump..."

She really lucked out to be running against the end of the world.

You're comparing bad email IT policy to murder? Yikes...

(I do agree she lucked out running against Trump since she is not always the strongest candidate, but this was always a non issue and is really more about the importance of IT security in any large organization, public or private).

 

[Syncytia]

A lot of the alt-right crazies seem to be glossing over the fact Comey harshly criticized Clinton, and instead seem to be suggesting that Comey is an establishment cuckshill.

They're in too deep. Anything Hillary does is corrupt, anything that works in her favor was obviously bought by her. The only narrative they know is 'the establishment is corrupt, the democrats are destroying the country.'

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?

I'll post what I posted in the old thread.

All those classified AT the time emails? Absolutely disgusting. Evidence of being extremely careless confirmed. 7 top secret email chains at the time, my god...

Not even supported by full-time security staff for god's sake! Jesus wept.

I think the FBI director was excellent in his statement, and I appreciated how detailed he was, specially bring to light the sheer amount of gross negligence. I absolutely admire how the FBI handle is, and kept it open for the justice department, stating outright that this does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for something of this nature.

Get over it. Dude basically said the entire system was careless and negligent, not just her.

It's done. The DOJ isn't going to do shit.

 

[Meowster]

What's going to be HA Goodman's latest theory on how Hillary will lose the nomination?

 

[whyamihere]

Also, the top secret emails were probably about the drone program, if we're to believe the Politco et al leaks about what they contained.

 

[flkraven]

So it looks like abuela just doesn't know how the internets works?

 

[Shamrock7r]

Even then, out of 30,000+ emails? I'm not losing any sleep over it. It was not purposeful or with malice, and the director said it was not out of the ordinary practices that state department as a whole was using. Not indictment worthy, and hardly shame worthy consider it was just fucking bad email policy of the government in general.

I would say it is shame worthy at the very least. These things need to be cleaned up. Not being done out of malice isn't a good enough excuse when you are in an important position such as hers. Not to say it's worthy of dropping your support of Hillary, but that doesn't mean it should be shoved aside as nothing.

 

[PeskyToaster]

definitely sounds like an abuela lol. Can't wait for the Oval Office computer to have 5 different slot machine games installed and the ask toolbar.

 

[massoluk]

Stay strong Huelen, we'll get through this together

 

[JP_]

The FBI, CIA, and State Department all have different protocol and procedures for classifying information. Information sent to and from Hillary's email was not considered classified by the State Department, but other agencies like the FBI and CIA have disagreed with the State Department's labeling. The FBI report is going to refer to information that it considers classified as classified because that's what the FBI believes, even though the State Department is not in agreement.

Didn't he say they went to each department that "owned" the content to determine if it was confidential?

 

[ShinRPGamer]

The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?

Yeah sure, you keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.

 

[jokkir]

/r/politics going to implode

 

[Slayven]

Hillary could personally murder a family of 4 and people would still be like... "but Trump..."

She really lucked out to be running against the end of the world.

Holly Hyperbole man

 

[Squalor]

He's poking fun at a poster who suggested that because there are two possibilities, each must have a 50% likelihood.

Oh, damn, missed that.

Also: Hahaha.

 

[Adaren]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

Trump's whining will just paint this as a bigger victory for Clinton.

 

[Smellycat]

It is odd that the FBI is not making a recommendation for indictment based on the info the director just shared.

1)Carelessness in sending and receiving 58 email chains with classified info on private insecure chains

2) Evidence of hacking in other people's emails that she corresponded with

The whole tone of the conference was negative up until the recommendation. According to him, no prosecutor would proceed with this case because it is not clear cut that it was intentional.

Isn't carelessness gross negligence?

Trust me, I am glad that no indictment recommendation is being made. Clinton is the lesser of two evils in this election, but I am still surprised by the recommendation based on what was said

 

[giga]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

I love it.

 

[Miles X]

In a year when Brexit actually happened you still think this is a sure thing?

Why act like they're remotely the same ...

 

[ampere]

This was not all good news for Hillary. Saying she was careless and that she did indeed received classified information when she's been saying that she did not. At least politically she took a hit here.

Most Hillary supporters agree there was carelessness, and I don't think that's new news.

 

[pj]

United Kingdom: 87% white

United States: 63% white

That's why Trump won't happen here



He's poking fun at a poster who suggested that because there are two possibilities, each must have a 50% likelihood.

75% is nothing to sneeze at

 

[MIMIC]

I didn't see the press conference, but CNN is saying that it was pretty "damning" in terms of her behavior. So it's like: she isn't a criminal, but....was woefully reckless and irresponsible.

This isn't really "great" news.

 

[Stormhammer]

Because I couldn't care less about the stupid emails. Her leadership means better progress for our nation than Trump.

i mean, many people seem to want to hand wave these emails away as no big deal, but if they werent a big deal why would she need to lie about them in the first place. and if shes willing to lie about something so worthless as these emails, what else is she willing to lie to the people about

the deception has begun

 

[riskVSreward]

You're comparing bad email IT policy to murder? Yikes...

(I do agree she lucked out, but this was always a non issue and is really more about the importance of IT security in any large organization, public or private).

Not comparing, just extrapolating.

 

[The Lamonster]

The FBI does not recommend indictment, but you guys do realize she could still be indicted, right?

I'll post what I posted in the old thread.

All those classified AT the time emails? Absolutely disgusting. Evidence of being extremely careless confirmed. 7 top secret email chains at the time, my god...

Not even supported by full-time security staff for god's sake! Jesus wept.

I think the FBI director was excellent in his statement, and I appreciated how detailed he was, specially bring to light the sheer amount of gross negligence. I absolutely admire how the FBI handle is, and kept it open for the justice department, stating outright that this does not mean there shouldn't be consequences for something of this nature.

Denial is the first stage of grief.

 

[EatinOlives]

Trump taking to twitter throwing a temper tantrum about a "rugged system"

:Lol

 

[ColdPizza]

Why act like they're remotely the same ...

Just saying that people are counting their chickens before they hatch...maybe so much so that they won't feel the need to get out and vote because "somebody else will take care of it."

 

[jack_package_200]

Me browsing the r/politics megathread

 

[Moff]

I always doubted Hilary even knew what an email server was.

Ignorant maybe, and as the FBI said, careless, but not malicious.

and that's the kind of person you want to be the commander in chief?
if the GOP had a halfway competent candidate she would be done after this. she should thank trump every day.

 

[Syncytia]

It is odd that the FBI is not making a recommendation for indictment based on the info the director just shared.

1)Carelessness in sending and receiving 58 email chains with classified info on private insecure chains

2) Evidence of hacking in other people's emails that she corresponded with

The whole tone of the conference was negative up until the recommendation. According to him, no prosecutor would proceed with this case because it is not clear cut that it was intentional.

Isn't carelessness gross negligence?

1) How many were marked?

2) How is she supposed to know about other peoples email and security set up? I can't imagine she is the first person in the world to send emails to a recipient with a compromised account.

 

[Plasticine]

I dont disagree , she is lucky to be going up against Trump.

Today didn't make her look better as a Presidential candidate.

Today doesn't matter one bit. The right will ignore any of the harsh criticism and will go full-tilt crazy. The salt will flow simply because Hillary isn't trading in her orange pant suit for an orange jumpsuit.

 

[TheOohChild]

Trump is discrediting the the man who just handed him a W.

 

[hawk2025]

Of all reactions with this much ammo, this is what Trump goes with?

 

[pigeon]

It is odd that the FBI is not making a recommendation for indictment based on the info the director just shared.

1)Carelessness in sending and receiving 58 email chains with classified info on private insecure chains

2) Evidence of hacking in other people's emails that she corresponded with

The whole tone of the conference was negative up until the recommendation. According to him, no prosecutor would proceed with this case because it is not clear cut that it was intentional.

Isn't carelessness gross negligence?

Clearly not? I mean, the director of the FBI pretty much just came out and said that it didn't rise to the level of gross negligence. Otherwise he would be recommending indictment.

 

[mid83]

I think it's reasonable to believe that any FBI/CIA employee who did this would be fired and likely thrown in jail.

I didn't think this issue was that bad prior to this press conference but shows she lied and there was gross negligence with highly classified information. Pretty damning stuff, especially for our likely future commander in chief. My opinion of the legitimacy of this scandal did a complete 180 today.

Some people are talking about people on the fence, and for me, this evidence helped me make my decision for how I will vote in November. Gary Johnson it is. I could never vote for Trump for obvious reasons but I can't pull the lever for Hillary after this. Either she is completely incompetent and careless or there are more nafarious things at play. Either conclusion means a person doesn't deserve my vote.

 

[Torokil]

I didn't see the press conference, but CNN is saying that it was pretty "damning" in terms of her behavior. So it's like: she isn't a criminal, but....was woefully reckless and irresponsible.

This isn't really "great" news.

It is good news for her because Hillary not indicted is the main headline, not the fluff leading up to it.

 

[Miles X]

Just saying that people are counting their chickens before they hatch...maybe so much so that they won't feel the need to get out and vote because "somebody else will take care of it."

That didn't happen in the UK tho, there was record turn out. Anyhow, completely different things and Americans won't sit at home for that reason imo.

 

[Hiltz]

I don't think this changes anyone's opinions on how they already felt about Hillary or Trump ¯_(&#12484_/¯

Yeah that's, pretty much the case. People who are on the fence about Hilary have already questioned her judgement and concern of her being untrustworthy. With Trump, he continues to make controversial statements that has done a lot of harm to alienate voters and his ability to unite his own party.

 

[Jenov]

Get over it. Dude basically said the entire system was careless and negligent, not just her.

It's done. The DOJ isn't going to do shit.

This ^^^^

It ain't happening, Huelen, get over it. Humans are not perfect, and the US government was far from perfect in their implementation of email policy and classification in 2008. Trying to rake 1 politician over the coals for what is within the normal realm of human error in the tangled mess of a bureaucratic system is ridiculous and witch-hunt worthy.