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[Gordon Shumway]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750352884106223616

 

[tcrunch]

We should do what that one gaffer wants and put the entire US gov't administrative system on Slack!

 

[xxracerxx]

Finally.

 

[pigeon]

"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...lary-clintons-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Pretty much, yeah.

Nice selective quote. You have a bright future at Fox News.

 

[djplaeskool]

Since you clearly have zero experience in dealing with classified information, let me enlighten you a bit.

I've conducted four investigations for accidental/negligent discharge of classified data...in 2016. This stuff happens all the time, and it completely comes down to the circumstances of the event as to whether or not we do a damn thing about it. I've had people carry a backpack full of classified data outside of a SCIF environment. We bring the hammer down for that.

People sending TS data over NIPR can be a serious event, depending on who the recipients were, whether or not we can establish positive control of the distro chain, and explanation for how the data came to be on an unclassified system.

If Hillary and company were discussing TS initiatives and programs in veiled, roundabout terminology, it's fucking nothing. If Hillary was forwarding improperly marked emails that she received on her Blackberry, the originator will be investigated and may have disciplinary action. If Hillary is literally purposefully copying/pasting or typing data she knows is TS into her BB, then she should have charges.

From what we've heard on this case, we know it's not option C. So we're left with fucking nothing.

If you want to use this as a stump for a racist, misogynistic, thin-skinned, uneducated asshole to be president, be my guest. Join Trump in putting on clown shoes while you're at it.

^
Basically this.
I noted in another thread that many gov't agencies have a spotty history of compliance, and it only becomes a hindsight oh-shit moment when classified information is potentially involved.

 

[Kinitari]

Maybe government employees should take this as a sign to switch to slack

/giphy hilaryis40something

 

[adj_noun]

r/s4p is hilarious right now.

Did you guys know that instead of being indicted now she'll just be impeached during her first year in office?

A while ago there was a thread on how much they were looking forward to gloating when she got indicted and Sanders became president.

 

[Moofers]

That's not what he was going for. He said something more like: "This does not mean there should not be consequences, but those consequences should be administrative, not criminal."

Direct quote, because your interpretation is counter to what he's saying:


Basically he's saying this kind of stuff gets you in trouble with your employer/potentially screws with security clearance, but he's talking about criminal repercussions.

Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated. (also to posts on the previous page)

So our awesome country is basically weighing a guy who can barely contain his admiration for the white power movement, or the candidate that big money really really wants in place. Awesome.

 

[Revolver]

Is he even aware of what Petraeus did?

 

[massoluk]

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now.

As a result, although the Department of Justice makes final decisions on matters like this, we are expressing to Justice our view that no charges are appropriate in this case.

Yeah, don't pray for that indictment.

 

[Generalpsyduck]

Good. What a fucking waste of tax dollars.

 

[ampere]

Any regular employee would be facing termination due to this. Hillary is just too big to fail. It sucks but that's the system.

Termination, but likely not indictment

There's a big difference

Is he even aware of what Petraeus did?

He was just having some sex bro!! Sometimes people go through your stuff when you're sleeping!

:lol

 

[jack_package_200]

Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated. (also to posts on the previous page)

So our awesome country is basically weighing a guy who can barely contain his admiration for the white power movement, or the candidate that big money really really wants in place. Awesome.

Fuck getting a democratically controlled supreme court and continuing Obama's policies, right?

 

[teruterubozu]

I hope people quote that Tragicomedy post for every page. It's funny to watch people ignore it.

Honesty I thought it was a "I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert)" parody when I first glanced at it, but now I see it's legit.

 

[atr0cious]

the candidate that big money really really wants in place. Awesome.

I'll never understand this talking point, when "big money" literally became people just to fuck with Hillary

 

[Mattenth]

Exactly. And that's why I'm leery to vote for her, lesser evil or not. Why should I trust someone that doesn't want to stick to FoIA?

There's always a 3rd option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQLL735QVE

At the very least, say you're voting for Gary Johnson in the polls so we can get 3 people on the debate stage.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Can someone briefly explain the whole Hillary email scandal?

I never actually looked into it.

Basically, she used her own personal email servers rather than government servers for government work. Which means the emails weren't automatically secure or entered into record, which is required by law. When she found out she shouldn't have been doing that, she did send to the government thousands of work-related emails from her server backup to be entered into the records, and then she had her IT team delete her personal emails that had been on the server (this is fine, it's done all the time by government workers). Upon studying her work emails (and the deleted emails as well), it was discovered that among the thousands of emails, a hundred or so referred to classified data, which means that classified data was on an unsecured email server, so in theory a disgruntled IT worker or a hacker could have learned classified data.

 

[Rabbi_Vole]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

 

[Diprosalic]

reading GAF comments in the live thread had me sweating for a bit.

 

[jack_package_200]

Exactly. And that's why I'm leery to vote for her, lesser evil or not. Why should I trust someone that doesn't want to stick to FoIA?

Fuck getting a democratically controlled supreme court and continuing Obama's policies, right?

.

 

[atr0cious]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

That you have terrible reading comprehension if that was all you got out of the evidence and what was said.

 

[kingslunk]

Since you clearly have zero experience in dealing with classified information, let me enlighten you a bit.

I've conducted four investigations for accidental/negligent discharge of classified data...in 2016. This stuff happens all the time, and it completely comes down to the circumstances of the event as to whether or not we do a damn thing about it. I've had people carry a backpack full of classified data outside of a SCIF environment. We bring the hammer down for that.

People sending TS data over NIPR can be a serious event, depending on who the recipients were, whether or not we can establish positive control of the distro chain, and explanation for how the data came to be on an unclassified system.

If Hillary and company were discussing TS initiatives and programs in veiled, roundabout terminology, it's fucking nothing. If Hillary was forwarding improperly marked emails that she received on her Blackberry, the originator will be investigated and may have disciplinary action. If Hillary is literally purposefully copying/pasting or typing data she knows is TS into her BB, then she should have charges.

From what we've heard on this case, we know it's not option C. So we're left with fucking nothing.

If you want to use this as a stump for a racist, misogynistic, thin-skinned, uneducated asshole to be president, be my guest. Join Trump in putting on clown shoes while you're at it.

Uh that's completely wrong. If something is regularly considered unclassified "certain terminology" and it's being associated with classified information those terms become classified.

If Hillary read emails and knew they might contain classified information regardless if they were marked at the time then it's her responsibility to mark them.

Disagreeing with Hillary means wanting to vote for Trump? Fuck off with this slippery slope bullshit.

 

[Darryl M R]

How will people justify their Bernie tattoo now? She is getting the nomination and not going to jail.

 

[TheCochese]

Since you clearly have zero experience in dealing with classified information, let me enlighten you a bit.

I've conducted four investigations for accidental/negligent discharge of classified data...in 2016. This stuff happens all the time, and it completely comes down to the circumstances of the event as to whether or not we do a damn thing about it. I've had people carry a backpack full of classified data outside of a SCIF environment. We bring the hammer down for that.

People sending TS data over NIPR can be a serious event, depending on who the recipients were, whether or not we can establish positive control of the distro chain, and explanation for how the data came to be on an unclassified system.

If Hillary and company were discussing TS initiatives and programs in veiled, roundabout terminology, it's fucking nothing. If Hillary was forwarding improperly marked emails that she received on her Blackberry, the originator will be investigated and may have disciplinary action. If Hillary is literally purposefully copying/pasting or typing data she knows is TS into her BB, then she should have charges.

From what we've heard on this case, we know it's not option C. So we're left with fucking nothing.

If you want to use this as a stump for a racist, misogynistic, thin-skinned, uneducated asshole to be president, be my guest. Join Trump in putting on clown shoes while you're at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypot3CYECwE

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Lol, Clinton went up over 2% in the betting markets, pretty much the biggest single jump I've seen probably since she became the presumptive nominee.

 

[DOWN]

The way Huelen is misusing the charge term of gross negligence when the FBI themselves didn't find gross negligence to be the case here

 

[Blader]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

The issue on classification was always that State didn't consider the emails classified when they were sent to, or received from, Hillary's server but the FBI did consider them classified (hence, why they refer to those emails as being classified). Did I miss something or did that not really change?

 

[Kemal86]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

misread your post. please disregard -_-

 

[Dan]

Is he even aware of what Petraeus did?

Of course not.

 

[pigeon]

Exactly. And that's why I'm leery to vote for her, lesser evil or not. Why should I trust someone that doesn't want to stick to FoIA?

There's no particular evidence that Hillary was intentionally avoiding FOIA here. I mean, literally the entire topic of this scandal is Hillary having to turn over emails from her private server because of FOIA. You'd think if she was avoiding FOIA she would have tried harder.

The tick-tock on this scandal is pretty clear. Hillary didn't set up a separate server for any secrecy reasons. She did it to use her Blackberry:

Clinton's desire for a secure "BlackBerry-like" device, like the one provided to President Barack Obama, is recounted in a series of February 2009 exchanges between high-level officials at the State Department and NSA. Clinton was sworn in as secretary the prior month, and had become "hooked" on reading and answering emails on a BlackBerry she used during the 2008 presidential race.

"We began examining options for (Secretary Clinton) with respect to secure 'BlackBerry-like' communications," wrote Donald R. Reid, the department's assistant director for security infrastructure. "The current state of the art is not too user friendly, has no infrastructure at State, and is very expensive."

Reid wrote that each time they asked the NSA what solution they had worked up to provide a mobile device to Obama, "we were politely told to shut up and color."

Resolving the issue was given such priority as to result in a face-to-face meeting between Clinton chief of staff Cheryl Mills, seven senior State Department staffers with five NSA security experts. According to a summary of the meeting, the request was driven by Clinton's reliance on her BlackBerry for email and keeping track of her calendar. Clinton chose not to use a laptop or desktop computer that could have provided her access to email in her office, according to the summary.

Standard smartphones are not allowed into areas designated as approved for the handling of classified information, such as the block of offices used by senior State Department officials, known by the nickname "Mahogany Row" for the quality of their paneling. Mills said that was inconvenient, because they had to leave their offices and retrieve their phones to check messages.

Mills also asked about waivers provided during the Bush administration to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for her staff to use BlackBerrys in their secure offices. But the NSA had phased out such waivers due to security concerns.

The department's designated NSA liaison, whose name was redacted from the documents, expressed concerns about security vulnerabilities inherent with using BlackBerry devices for secure communications or in secure areas. However, the specific reasons Clinton's requests were rebuffed are being kept secret by the State Department.

The following month, in March 2009, Clinton began using private email accounts accessed through her BlackBerry to exchange messages with her top aides. The State Department has thus far released more than 52,000 pages of Clinton's work-related emails, a small percentage of which have been withheld because they contain information considered sensitive to national security.

I was incorrect in an earlier thread to blame the Secret Service here, it was the NSA.

Basically, Hillary only uses her Blackberry to send emails. She asked for a secure mobile device and NSA refused. Immediately afterwards she set up a separate email server which she accessed, yes, through her Blackberry.

Now I think you have a reasonable case based on the facts that Hillary is super old. Who the fuck still uses Blackberries? They're literally going out of the phone business AT THIS VERY MOMENT, check your news feed. But I don't think you can argue that she wanted to avoid FOIA.

 

[Incognito]

voting for clinton, but what an embarrassment. pretty clear that if she were not named clinton, or was sec of state, she'd face serious repercussions. sleaze all around and totally, ridiculous unforced error on her part. welcome to the clinton world again.

 

[adj_noun]

How will people justify their Bernie tattoo now? She is getting the nomination and not going to jail.

You mean my Doc Brown tattoo

>_>

 

[Generalpsyduck]

How will people justify their Bernie tattoo now? She is getting the nomination and not going to jail.

So i guess hillary gaf is gonna act like uppity assholes all day now.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

There's always a 3rd option: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQLL735QVE

At the very least, say you're voting for Gary Johnson in the polls so we can get 3 people on the debate stage.

"We both have the same nose."

 

[mid83]

Exactly. And that's why I'm leery to vote for her, lesser evil or not. Why should I trust someone that doesn't want to stick to FoIA?

Join the Gary Johnson bandwagon then! That's the only choice left that makes any sense for me.

 

[pigeon]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

Uh, how about "YA BURNT, MODED"

 

[hawk2025]

Thanks for the clarification. Much appreciated. (also to posts on the previous page)

So our awesome country is basically weighing a guy who can barely contain his admiration for the white power movement, or the candidate that big money really really wants in place. Awesome.

That was a quick pivot!

 

[shiba5]

^
Basically this.
I noted in another thread that many gov't agencies have a spotty history of compliance, and it only becomes a hindsight oh-shit moment when classified information is potentially involved.

I worked at a 3-letter and one day someone got fired and was walked out without their stuff. The security officer was charged with separating his personal items from anything work related and shipping them to him. The fired guy got his personal items along with several backup tapes that had classified data on them. NOTHING happened to the guy who boxed up the tapes and shipped them off to a disgruntled ex-employee's house.

 

[Mengy]

Exactly. In other words, the American people have to decide if they want someone as commander in chief that has repeatedly in their career put national security at risk, even while visiting foriegn lands.

She needs consequences, the FBI Director said their should be, because what she did was absolutely disgusting and deplorable in terms of national security and transparency.

Some people would say this isn't a good show of character for a candidate. I base myself more on facts and policies than character, but it is still something that the people need to consider.

I agree 100%. Hillary is a horrible candidate and I don't want her in the oval office. BUT, if I have to choose between her and Trump, I'll be picking Crooked Hillary every day of the week. Even with her record of lying and very poor judgement calls, she is still a much better choice over Trump.

It's literally the worst Presidential choice I can remember ever having to make, neither one is a good choice IMHO.

 

[BokehKing]

What do the people who droned on and on about the emails not be classified have to say for themselves now?

They will drone on about "extremely careless"
Not s term you want linked to your presidential campaign.

Damage was done with that alone, she was never going to jail but the GOP is going to drop a couple million on ads saying "FBI thinks she is extremely careless"

 

[atr0cious]

So i guess hillary gaf is gonna act like uppity assholes all day now.

Lol the butcher of ben gazi is coming for you.

 

[Volimar]

voting for clinton, but what an embarrassment. pretty clear that if she were not named clinton, or was sec of state, she'd face serious repercussions.

Not according to the FBI.

 

[Jenov]

voting for clinton, but what an embarrassment. pretty clear that if she were not named clinton, or was sec of state, she'd face serious repercussions. sleaze all around and totally, ridiculous unforced error on her part. welcome to the clinton world again.

I think it's just another case of only Hillary being put under the microscope looking for any flaws, as small as they are. Any other politician having 30,000+ of their emails combed through would have similar classification issues if not worse.

 

[Megadragon15]

But HA (hahahaha) Goodman said the indictment was a sure thing.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

They will drone on about "extremely careless"
Not s term you want linked to your presidential campaign.

Damage was done with that alone, she was never going to jail but the GOP is going to drop a couple million on ads saying "FBI thinks she is extremely careless"

They've basically been calling her a murderer for years. You think this email stuff will move the needle?

 

[pigeon]

They will drone on about "extremely careless"
Not s term you want linked to your presidential campaign.

Damage was done with that alone, she was never going to jail but the GOP is going to drop a couple million on ads saying "FBI thinks she is extremely careless"

I hope they do. If you imagine that this is somehow more serious than the last thirty or forty Clinton scandals that the GOP has been trying to milk for the last five years, I think you're engaging in wishful thinking. This is going to convince exactly the people who were already convinced.

 

[jack_package_200]

I hope this means Bernie drops out. If it wasn't already apparent, this should solidify that Clinton will be the nominee. Time for him to exit and lose the secret service detail.

 

[Deadly Cyclone]

So i guess hillary gaf is gonna act like uppity assholes all day now.

 

[pigeon]

I hope this means Bernie drops out. If it wasn't already apparent, this should solidify that Clinton will be the nominee. Time for him to exit and lose the secret service detail.

Bernie already said he knows he won't be the nominee but he wants to go to the convention anyway to argue about TPP. Bernie, unlike many of the people in this thread, is not naive about believing that Hillary would get surprise indicted.

I am not too worried about it.

 

[AntraxSuicide]

In a year when Brexit actually happened you still think this is a sure thing?

I'm really tired of having to say this, but the UK has an incredibly white population.

If they had our demographics, there's no way a 4 point spread for Leave happens. It'd be a sizable Remain win. People need to stop ignoring people of color.