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C'mon man, he just wanted to fulfil all her wishes with his taco flavoured kisses. How could he possibly have known that she was running a sting to punish him for all the bad things men had ever done to her?
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Female Game Dev Harrassed by IndieStatik founder Josh Mattingly Speaks Up (Kotaku)
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C'mon man, he just wanted to fulfil all her wishes with his taco flavoured kisses. How could he possibly have known that she was running a sting to punish him for all the bad things men had ever done to her?
Even with all of the evidence pointing to Mattingly being a fucking creeper, there's still victim blaming.
Alice was in a difficult position, and she even hid the identity of the person who harassed her, which, in my opinion, was a courtesy on her part that he didn't deserve. It wasn't until later that his identity got exposed.
Will this damage his career? Honestly, I highly doubt it. For the short term, yes. For the long term? No. It's an ugly truth that this industry is a "boy's club." Harassment isn't a one off, one and done, type deal for women. It's routine. So routine that women in the industry have built up different ways to roll with it and try to move on, but that doesn't mean the harassment ever stops. And often, if they take measures to permanently end the harassment, the solution is usually to fire the woman, or make the environment so hostile to her that she leaves on her own. It's pathetic.
She was right to speak out on this, and right to keep her identity a secret. She was the one wronged, and she shouldn't be punished for outing a creep, which is exactly what would happen to her if we knew who she was.
Alice was in a difficult position, and she even hid the identity of the person who harassed her, which, in my opinion, was a courtesy on her part that he didn't deserve. It wasn't until later that his identity got exposed.
Will this damage his career? Honestly, I highly doubt it. For the short term, yes. For the long term? No. It's an ugly truth that this industry is a "boy's club." Harassment isn't a one off, one and done, type deal for women. It's routine. So routine that women in the industry have built up different ways to roll with it and try to move on, but that doesn't mean the harassment ever stops. And often, if they take measures to permanently end the harassment, the solution is usually to fire the woman, or make the environment so hostile to her that she leaves on her own. It's pathetic.
She was right to speak out on this, and right to keep her identity a secret. She was the one wronged, and she shouldn't be punished for outing a creep, which is exactly what would happen to her if we knew who she was.
jim-jam bongs
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Anyone doubting this should really watch that video posted earlier.
I don't know if some people are somehow confusing this issue with the whole "Feminist Frequency" series on sexism and games, and that there is some agenda, but we are talking about a problem thats been pretty well documented over the past year or so, now that more people are willing to talk about. I understand that there will be people that roll their eyes whenever this stuff comes up, thinking it a knee jerk leftist agenda,
but c'mon, who says this shit to anyone, let alone a mere acquaintance in a professional capacity. We had a guy at work that was a first class creep and did shit, not quite like this, but it was uncomfortable to be sure. Good thing he is gone. When you see or hear about it first hand, it will change your mind a bit.
but c'mon, who says this shit to anyone, let alone a mere acquaintance in a professional capacity. We had a guy at work that was a first class creep and did shit, not quite like this, but it was uncomfortable to be sure. Good thing he is gone. When you see or hear about it first hand, it will change your mind a bit.
CapNBritain
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I completely agree that he was being creepy, has a past of being creepy, and should not have been so creepy towards her. I just hope that he can learn from this and become a better person. There are a lot of people writing him off forever, but as a guy who has been extremely thirsty in the past, done some creepy things because of reasons, and learned from his mistakes, I hope that people will give him the chance to grow and become less creepy.
chaobreaker
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The only thing stopping those kinds of people from being banned is whatever level of restraint they can muster when they post here. Threads like these are the ultimate litmus test in that case.
On that note, that john summers guy can probably have his GAF username outed with some detective work. I wouldn't know where to start, though.
Freezasaurus
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Not necessarily. Some people are dense and can't understand social cues. He probably thought that because she wasn't (or didn't seem to be) reacting negatively to it, that it was okay.
FaintColt388301
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Did you read the article? She didn't want to have a stigma attached to her, that's why she never said anything before. Once you get labeled "that girl", people are less likely to want to work with her and I'm sure she wants to keep working in the industry so she never said anything. The only reason this even came out is b/c Mattingly was stupid enough to leave her all of those messages and it would be impossible for him to deny it. If it was a face to face situation, he could have easily just denied it or said they were flirting and he maybe took it a little bit too far. And if she went to a senior colleague and they told her she was crazy or we need to promote our game so stop talking about it (ie basically telling her to fuck off) then what does she do?
And no one is punishing this guy. He did this to himself. Like I said, he initiated the whole thing not her. You can't say " Its this guys fault and I'm not defending him" but then turn around say its her fault for making it public. Its either Mattingly's fault or its Alice's fault but it can't be both and logic dictates that its Mattingly's fault since he initiated everything in this whole conversation.
I honestly don't see how going public is a bad thing. Maybe this will result in more women coming forward and outing this crap and it will happen less. Maybe if guys are afraid of ruining their careers by being creepy douchebags to female co workers, maybe this stuff will stop so I only see this as a positive honestly.
Edit: Sorry. Didn't notice that he was banned until after I replied.
OrangeJulius
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What I find especially ironic and amusing about those guys is how quick they are to call modern men pussies, yet they are afraid to say it on GAF and have to do it from the anonymity of an un-moderated place like youtube.
If they truly were as "manly" as they think they are then they should be willing to say those things here also.
Cowards. All of them. Nothing more pathetic than not being able to stand up for your convictions when your name or something you value is attached to them.
HP_Wuvcraft
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chaobreaker
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I won't.
batman2million
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Glad she went public about this. But tbh, this happens in every industry.
RealityPales
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Messofanego
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lolololol thank you for this
Yep. Because it was impossible that the situation could have diverted into a different outcome if she acted differently. /sarcasm
Polioliolio
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I thought it was funny how the followup kotaku article continually said the word 'vagina'... as in "kiss her vagina".
That's just fueling the fire in lonely pants everywhere.
I'm amazed at that creeps earnestly though.. I mean.. if he really barely knew her, that's pretty straight to the point... the casual talk thrown in is bizarre though. This guy's life is now over.
There's one thing still on my mind about it, though.... Did he make awesome games?
edit: Oh, not a game developer, but a journalist.
That's just fueling the fire in lonely pants everywhere.
I'm amazed at that creeps earnestly though.. I mean.. if he really barely knew her, that's pretty straight to the point... the casual talk thrown in is bizarre though. This guy's life is now over.
There's one thing still on my mind about it, though.... Did he make awesome games?
edit: Oh, not a game developer, but a journalist.
Clearly the onus is on her and not the creep who started this. When will victims learn to have more respect for the people who victimize them?
Well he's banned now so I guess there's no point in a response.
Not that it mattered because still no one cares what he had to say.
I know right?
Poor guy should be able to harass however he pleases. She never said stop.
Not that it mattered because still no one cares what he had to say.
Clearly the onus is on her and not the creep who started this. When will victims learn to have more respect for the people who victimize them?
I know right?
Poor guy should be able to harass however he pleases. She never said stop.
BennyBlanco
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I saw that the other day. Very strange.
If the guy has truly changed and is apologetic, i would not hold his past against him. We as people like to do that even though we are not better off.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Maybe I'm being petty but I just don't care for the guy and choose not to support him.
What a creep. He calls her a "friend"? And talks to her like that? You don't disrespect your friends like that. You don't disrespect your colleagues like that. I don't care what you're going through. We all have a sob story. Everyone's life has tragedy. Doesn't excuse people behaving like morons. What a lonely, lowly, sad human being.
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