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[Ferr986]

Yes, I do. You are trying to say that the hate XV is receiving is on par with the rest of the series. Which isn't the case.

And you're right, I don't have straight-up proof that XV's reception is lukewarm, but when it has the lowest critical average in the series for the mainline offline titles, there's a billion hate topics and "why is this game getting so much hate?" posts, overall reviews from both fans and critics aren't stellar, SE having to address complaints about the story and other issues, etc. it's very clear that it's not something that is seen in a great light. But you're way too far up the game's ass to admit that. Honestly I agree, let's drop this. You honestly infuriate me and I'm going to go on more angry tirades and I'd rather not.

lmao it's just a game man.

 

[Mendrox]

How can you claim this when the online community was non-existent or low profile during the release of these two games.


FFXV is a mainline game just like FFVI to X. This is where the comparison begins and ends. And yes, there are people here including me who place it in Top 5 FFs above or closer to VI or IX so your point is?


For you, sure. For others, it is.

Man, how old are you? 2006 was not before 2000. NeoGAF was even relaunched in 2006 and existed well before that time too. Final Fantasy XII was discussed well before XIII on online forums.

Edit: Saw your other posts, but even 8-10 were discussed online, but it was also a different time.

 

[Jennipeg]

People can easily use that turtle from XV to show how even more brainless and tedious the combat in it even compared to Yiazmat battle.

Bosses should never have that much hp period. Terrible design to make a boss look more intimidating.

edit: beaten.

I thought Penance in X was pretty bad as well.

 

[Geg]

Why do these XV hate circlejerk threads always last so long lol

 

[AlexFlame116]

This thread was an absolute mistake.

.....

you don't get it, do you?

Like I said, obviously not every FF is going to cater to every single person.

But each game has an overall reception. It's obvious. The reception for VI-IX wasn't lukewarm (maybe VIII, but it still got a lot of love and was critically praised). XV's reception is lukewarm. Stop being ridiculous.

Unless XVI ends up being a mobile title that's 5 hours long with a story that's as bad as The 3rd Birthday, you will never, ever hear me say "man at least XV (insert backhanded praise here)".

This "FF Cycle" nonsense needs to stop. Perhaps some people reflect on older games in a more positive light if they view the newest one as a giant turd, but for the most part, people don't change their opinions.

Personally, XV is the only main Final Fantasy game I straight-up fucking despise. No other entry comes even close. And that will never change unless the updates within the next year significantly improve the dog turd that it is right now.



What is this crap? Wowwwww 2 whole topics about VI hate. Let's totally forget that it's been in a billion "best game/RPG of all time" lists, is commonly viewed as a classic, etc. Something that will NEVER HAPPEN WITH XV. BECAUSE THE RECEPTION IS NOWHERE NEAR THE SAME. Stop being dense.

Yes, I do. You are trying to say that the hate XV is receiving is on par with the rest of the series. Which isn't the case.

And you're right, I don't have straight-up proof that XV's reception is lukewarm, but when it has the lowest critical average in the series for the mainline offline titles, there's a billion hate topics and "why is this game getting so much hate?" posts, overall reviews from both fans and critics aren't stellar, SE having to address complaints about the story and other issues, etc. it's very clear that it's not something that is seen in a great light. But you're way too far up the game's ass to admit that. Honestly I agree, let's drop this. You honestly infuriate me and I'm going to go on more angry tirades and I'd rather not.

You had the gall to tell me that I was a delusional XV fanboy before and then you type all this crap out. You're the one who has to let it go when you go on extreme cases of hyperbole like this.

Everyone sclaes games differently but it falls into lukewarm for me, especially considering it was probably the most hyped up game I've ever seen beforehand

In what country is 81 lukewarm? Isn't that supposed to be, oh I don't know, 60?

Plus if any of the other Final Fantasy games released during this time and we had no nostalgia for them then I am very sure that many of them wouldn't receive the beloved score they do know. The industry has changed a lot.

 

[Zemm]

I've not played 12 but it's not needed to see that 15 is a bad game. So bad. So very bad.

 

[Holundrian]

Why do these XV hate circlejerk threads always last so long lol

Cause it feeds on the criticism downplay circle jerk.

 

[Spukc]

Not really fair to compare ff15 with the best final fantasy game
...

Didnt 15 got scrapped multiple times ?
It sure plays like it 🤔

 

[Namikaze]

Don't believe The Dude's lies. Jk. FF15, while fun at times ultimately felt like the development team panicked and just hobbled together everything they had been working on for the past 810 years. FF12 was at least more consistent and well put together imo.

 

[LordKasual]

Everyone sclaes games differently but it falls into lukewarm for me

lol

especially considering it was probably the most hyped up game I've ever seen beforehand

LOL

 

[YankeeDonB]

FFXV is an evolution of FFXII in many ways (especially when it comes to the interconnectedness & exploration of the world & how time of day/weather affect the world), so I think it does disservice to the game to dismiss all of those things it took from FFXII & evolved and say it does everything worse. It does most of those things better while faltering mostly in the storytelling department, though it's not like FFXII is some kind of tour de force when it comes to storytelling either. It has plenty of aimless wandering and a narrative that takes the backseat for large chunks of the game past the beginning and prior to the finale. The writing/dialogue is better in FFXII but I feel FFXV still nails the comradery & evolving relationship of the main cast better than FFXII does its relationship between characters, even if the story outside of that can be a bit of a mess.

Gameplay is debatable. FFXII has a more polished combat experience but I felt FFXV offers the higher highs & a more involving battle system thanks to going all in with the action-y combat. FFXII feels more subdued and, of course, AI-centric. FFXV also has more freedom and the sense of place is even better than FFXII (which I felt was the high point of the franchise up until FFXV). Running around with Chocobo in FFXV in the sunset >>>>> FFXII's Chocobo & traversal.

Neither are particularly excellent when it comes to sidequest design. Both offer some highlights and some boring busywork.


It's really not. Writing is the only thing that is clearly superior and even then FFXII is far from perfect. The gambit system is pretty genius but I don't think it makes for an unarguably better gameplay experience. Running around, watching the characters do a lot of the action for you in combat isn't necessarily unarguably better than the more involved, action-y combat of FFXV, even if it could be tightened up a bit.

As someone who appreciates both XII and XV, and would put them together in the middle of the pack of Final Fantasies, I agree with pretty much all of this.

The big thing I prefer about XII is the mostly linear progression through the world as opposed to a ton of fast traveling around. This is something XV could have done really well with the driving, but the quest design and story progression really tanked it.

 

[kromeo]

lol



LOL

I swear I've never seen anything but shitposting from you on this site

 

[DarkLordMalik]

Plus if any of the other Final Fantasy games released during this time and we had no nostalgia for them then I am very sure that many of them wouldn't receive the beloved score they do know. The industry has changed a lot.

This doesn't just apply to FF but even games like Kingdom Hearts that were critically acclaimed back on PS2.

We will find out once KH3 and FFVII: Remake releases but even if we strictly talk about remasters, X|X-2 HD Remaster dropped from 90 to 85 and XII Remaster dropped from 92 to
87, even though it is the best version of the game which is greatly improved from the original release.

 

[AlexFlame116]

This doesn't just apply to FF but even games like Kingdom Hearts that were critically acclaimed back on PS2.

We will find out once KH3 and FFVII: Remake releases but even if we strictly talk about remasters, X|X-2 HD Remaster dropped from 90 to 85 and XII Remaster dropped from 92 to
87, even though it is the best version of the game which is greatly improved from the original release.

Unfortunately they don't listen.

I've not played 12 but it's not needed to see that 15 is a bad game. So bad. So very bad.

They never listen.

Not really fair to compare ff15 with the best final fantasy game
...

Didnt 15 got scrapped multiple times ?
It sure plays like it 🤔

Instead they continue.

Don't believe The Dude's lies. Jk. FF15, while fun at times ultimately felt like the development team panicked and just hobbled together everything they had been working on for the past 810 years. FF12 was at least more consistent and well put together imo.

And act smug instead.

I swear I've never seen anything but shitposting from you on this site

Or they just consider any other opinion as wrong and other things.

 

[LordKasual]

I swear I've never seen anything but shitposting from you on this site

You know what I don't get? That when people call my opinions shit (which happens quite often, i'm kinda shitty), I don't turn around and claim they're breaking forum rules by disagreeing with me.

some of you guys are on a completely different level of passive aggressive man.

My main problem with the gambit system is that I think tactical participation in battle is way, way more interesting than preparation outside of battle, on a fundamental level that transcends execution. That's not to say JRPG prep doesn't have its merits, but the appeal often relies on becoming addicted to fiddling on minor things in an over-elaborate system which, in most cases (I want to say, as a rule), only takes away from tactics in battle at an inefficient rate. Gambits are like a whole new front to that (i.e., your actions are literally being planned before the battle), albeit necessary to some extent given the real time combat. As far as "programming" goes, FFXII is ultimately pretty shallow and the concept has been done much better elsewhere; I would go as far to say gambits are kind of tacked on as more of a solution rather than the core of the battle system (hence why it's totally playable with very few or no gambits

I always tell people the same thing when it comes to FFXII and Gambits....If you want to enjoy a challenge, turn the ATB speed all the way up and don't turn on Wait Mode. Eventually you're gonna run up on a boss that uses status effects and he's gonna wreck your shit.

I went on the Clan Hunts as often as I could, so I was always fighting challenging enemies in XII. I always just saw Gambits as a sort of "autopilot" mode for running through weak areas or farming, which traditionally takes loads of time for no reason in other FF games.

As far as FF goes, i feel like XII just innovated combat in the series as a whole. Gambits were a way to keep the game moving smoothly when it didn't necessarily require your attention, but nothing ever stops you from just turning them off.


XIII seemed like the PERFECT game to utilize the more general points of XII's combat system. Maybe it would have made all the hallways and grinding a bit more interesting.

 

[Number_6]

X was linear garbage and the gameplay while interesting is a little too static for my taste. You can predict everything in it.

I prefer FFXII grandstory and rewarding gameplay over it.

Nah, dude.

X opens up a bit towards the end, but I appreciated not having to worry about getting lost or how to advance the plot.

I loved the fast-paced battle system. The story was pretty good. Voice-acted cutscenes dragged a bit, but that's true of practically every game with voice-acted cutscenes.

What I love most is the world/scenario. They created a fully fleshed out fantasy world whose unique fantastical elements actually factored into the plot in several major ways. There was an inconsistency, or rather a kind of lazy execution or assumption that I noticed with the

Spoiler

time travel

near the beginning, only for the game to unexpectedly resolve my gripe later on in the story. I was floored.

 

[kromeo]

You know what I don't get? That when people call my opinions shit (which happens quite often, i'm kinda shitty), I don't turn around and claim they're breaking forum rules by disagreeing with me.

Come on, don't try and claim you don't take pleasure in trying to wind people up..

Anyway, this thread is going nowhere

 

[MetalliCabombination]

Cause it feeds on the criticism downplay circle jerk.

Isnt a criticism circle jerk a pre requisite for a downplay circle jerk?
This is like saying people get shot often because there are more hospitals that might fix them.
In any case, at this point xv hater gaf is just a bliss to look at from the sidelines. Especially when they argue these threads arent purely derived of childish hate.

Btw the truth is FF X is the worst FF, not 12, not 13, not even 15.

 

[Billy_Pilgrim]

XV is a bad game. In fact it's about 4 bad games stitched together. It was received with more warmth than it probably deserved simply because it didn't release as a driv3r style mess.

XII had issues but it was cohesive enough that a few tweaks immeasurably improved the experience. Also there were other soft reasons for 12 having a lukewarm reception, the shift to HD being a big part of it imo. It just got lost amongst everything else

 

[AlexFlame116]

Come on, don't try and claim you don't take pleasure in trying to wind people up..

Anyway, this thread is going nowhere

That's not fair. How can you say that when:

XV is a bad game. In fact it's about 4 bad games stitched together. It was received with more warmth than it probably deserved simply because it didn't release as a driv3r style mess.

XII had issues but it was cohesive enough that a few tweaks immeasurably improved the experience. Also there were other soft reasons for 12 having a lukewarm reception, the shift to HD being a big part of it imo. It just got lost amongst everything else

You get stuff like this which only adds more fuel? That was the entire point that this thread was made.

 

[FinalAres]

XV isn't a bad game, that's ridiculous. The critical reaction is clear, it's a mess but also more than the sum of its parts. It also sold well and is warmly received by fans.

Not to say its up to FFs usual standards, its far off that. But to say its an objectively bad game and especially that it had a poor critical and fan reception is mind-numbingly stupid.

 

[LordKasual]

Come on, don't try and claim you don't take pleasure in trying to wind people up..

Anyway, this thread is going nowhere

and i guess the title of this thread just completely escaped you yeah? That wouldn't wind anyone up!

boy, by that logic, i wonder how amazing the discussion would be if I decided to make a thread named "the PS4 pro makes me realize just how bad the Switch really is" or "Horizon Zero Dawn has made me realize just how ugly Zelda is".

but i'm a shitposter for calling out dumb shit in an already flamebaity thread. Hop off that wooden high horse please.

Nah, dude.

X opens up a bit towards the end, but I appreciated not having to worry about getting lost or how to advance the plot.

I loved the fast-paced battle system. The story was pretty good. Voice-acted cutscenes dragged a bit, but that's true of practically every game with voice-acted cutscenes.

What I love most is the world/scenario. They created a fully fleshed out fantasy world whose unique fantastical elements actually factored into the plot in several major ways. There was an inconsistency, or rather a kind of lazy execution or assumption that I noticed with the

Spoiler

time travel

near the beginning, only for the game to unexpectedly resolve my gripe later on in the story. I was floored.

X, XII and XV probably had the best realized world and lore, but i suppose you feel it the most in X because they kind of force you to.

They tried a similar approach with FFXII, by making Vaan somewhat of a pleb compared to the rest of the cast that you control, so that you can explore Ivalice through the eyes of someone unfamiliar. But people instead just complained about him and it kinda passed over heads...

XV's setting and lore surrounding the crystal/astrals is really well done, it's just that the game doesn't allow itself any real time towards explaining it, probably due to dev problems.

 

[LegendofDragoonLives]

X was linear garbage and the gameplay while interesting is a little too static for my taste. You can predict everything in it.

I prefer FFXII grandstory and rewarding gameplay over it.

XII's story is nowhere near as good as X. Gameplay on the other hand, I totally get.

 

[kromeo]

and i guess the title of this thread just completely escaped you yeah? That wouldn't wind anyone up!

boy, by that logic, i wonder how amazing the discussion would be if I decided to make a thread named "the PS4 pro makes me realize just how bad the Switch really is" or "Horizon Zero Dawn has made me realize just how ugly Zelda is".

but i'm a shitposter for calling out dumb shit in an already flamebaity thread. Hop off that wooden high horse please.

It's absolutely a nonsense thread, that's why I said it's going nowhere

 

[Whompa02]

XV isn't a bad game, that's ridiculous. The critical reaction is clear, it's a mess but also more than the sum of its parts. It also sold well and is warmly received by fans.

Not to say its up to FFs usual standards, its far off that. But to say its an objectively bad game and especially that it had a poor critical and fan reception is mind-numbingly stupid.

Pretty much. Also the art direction, music, and visuals are all fantastic.

Honestly, the thread title itself was bait-y and obviously this discussion was going to be shit from the get go.

 

[Petrae]

I wound up enjoying FFXV more than FFXII because my expectations were lower for XV.

For me, FFXII struck a nearly fatal blow to my Final Fantasy enthusiasm. FFVIII had done the same in 1999, but that was thankfully followed by FFIX a year later which healed most of the damage. FFX was enjoyable for me. Then I skipped FFXI because I refuse to play MMOs. I was so hyped to buy a new Final Fantasy game in 2006, and that hype was dashed within the first couple of hours of playing the game and absolutely hating its battle system. I couldn't even be bothered to invest more time and learn more about the characters/story because the MMO battle system put me off so much.

FFXIII put the nail in the coffin for my Final Fantasy fandom. Sold that game 12 hours after buying it. Never bought an FF game at launch after that, and won't ever do it again.'

By the time I got FFXV (as a present for Christmas last year), I had no expectations because of past disappointments. As a result, I thought it was all right. Not great, not even good, but all right. I still struggle with XV's battle system controls and the open world leaves me wandering around like an idiot (a la Oblivion, Skyrim) because it's so vast and there's so much shit to do. At least the dialogue can sometimes be funny.

I get that other people think it's great, much like understanding that other people think that FFVIII is great. I respect those opinions, but can never agree with them.

 

[Holundrian]

Isnt a criticism circle jerk a pre requisite for a downplay circle jerk?
This is like saying people get shot often because there are more hospitals that might fix them.
In any case, at this point xv hater gaf is just a bliss to look at from the sidelines. Especially when they argue these threads arent purely derived of childish hate.

Btw the truth is FF X is the worst FF, not 12, not 13, not even 15.

I was talking about the hate cycle jerk(as it was stated as such) but that you conflate the two right here is pretty much the perfect example of what I think feeds into the problem. What's a "criticism" cycle jerk anyway lmao. It's like well reasoned criticism is something bad now? Pretty much when the reaction to criticism are arguments like you spawn a never ending hate train. Never forget other gold nuggets like FF was never about story or all FFs are ooooh so different and it is just luck and coincidence when you only like the majority of them pre 13. *facepalm*

 

[AlexFlame116]

I'm surprised the thread has lasted this long. Normally it'd be closed by now with a quip from Modbot.

 

[Vital Tundra]

I see it as 2 incomplete games, with 12 being really good where it's complete, and 15 being pretty shitty all around and even more incomplete. Least they both have great visuals and audio for their time.

 

[AlexFlame116]

I see it as 2 incomplete games, with 12 being really good where it's complete, and 15 being pretty shitty all around and even more incomplete. Least they both have great visuals and audio for their time.

Sigh just kill this thread. I'm not a mod though so I don't have a right to say that.

 

[TirMcGrey]

Why do these XV hate circlejerk threads always last so long lol

Because people love bandwagons. As much as I liked it, it had it's issues but not enough to spend time jumping on it months after completion.

 

[Lothars]

FFVII is hated by some fans. So is FFVI, VIII and IX. I mean you get the idea? I already said there is no single game that everyone can agree is the best in the series. None.

You are the one who claimed about 'mainstream backlash' and then when I presented you evidence suggesting otherwise, you then changed goalpost.

Yeah I agree, I think the hate for FFXV is overblown and it's a vocal group of people that keep it up. I think it will go down as a good final fantasy.

Yes, I do. You are trying to say that the hate XV is receiving is on par with the rest of the series. Which isn't the case.

And you're right, I don't have straight-up proof that XV's reception is lukewarm, but when it has the lowest critical average in the series for the mainline offline titles, there's a billion hate topics and "why is this game getting so much hate?" posts, overall reviews from both fans and critics aren't stellar, SE having to address complaints about the story and other issues, etc. it's very clear that it's not something that is seen in a great light. But you're way too far up the game's ass to admit that. Honestly I agree, let's drop this. You honestly infuriate me and I'm going to go on more angry tirades and I'd rather not.

The only one up their own ass is you. You keep pretending that FFXV is crap and everyone hates it which is actually far from the truth, Yes it definitely has it's issue which it deserves critisim for but the utter hatred some people have for it is insane.

 

[Ralemont]

Nah, no one hates VI. Shame on you.

Ohhh, me! Me! Pick me!

 

[mindsale]

This thread makes me hungry for some Cup Noodles.

Gas Station Simulator 2K16 was pretty poor by every metric. It's characters, locales, dialogue, and gameplay were all lackluster.

I quite enjoyed its lore and its lure (really liked the fishing).

I never played XII (or XI or XIV), but it seems like a foregone conclusion that it's a better game. When it came out I wrote it off for its MMO-like combat, but now that quite appeals to me. Xenoblade opened my eyes.

 

[ffvorax]

There's no "plot hole".

A plot hole is where there's something in the story that contradicts the logic of the rest of it, and is never resolved, and thus the story makes no sense.

FFXII doesn't have anything like that, it's issue is that the middle third of the game had a series of large fields and dungeons without enough cutscenes while the party

Spoiler

hunts down the crystal shards

. Even if you find that section dull, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.

You are right, I used the wrong word. And lead to some confusion, sorry... :\

 

[kayos90]

The only one up their own ass is you. You keep pretending that FFXV is crap and everyone hates it which is actually far from the truth, Yes it definitely has it's issue which it deserves critisim for but the utter hatred some people have for it is insane.

You know people can like bad games right? which is fine btw. But when you start saying that FFXV is a good game... well... idk. Then I think you either have shitty standards or you're not experienced to be critiquing that genre.

 

[MetalliCabombination]

I was talking about the hate cycle jerk but that you conflate the two right is pretty much the perfect example of what I think feeds into the problem.
What's a "criticism" cycle jerk anyway lmao. It's like well reasoned criticism is something bad now?

Well reasoned criticism is mostly an alien subject to most ffxv threads and its been going on since the day the directors switched.

Criticising a game? Fine
Criticising it 9 months after its out? Fine
Creating the 900th topic to 'criticize' the game for the 900th time is not well reasoned criticism its simply hate.
You so much as mention ffxv on gaf and youll find the usual suspects coming out of the woodwork and condemning the game like a hellspawn that needs to be erased from time.

These threads don't change my opinion on a game that i played almost a year ago, its only embarrassing because despite personally considering ff12 the best ff, i cant help but empathize with people defending xv against the consistent miserable trolling.

 

[Vital Tundra]

Sigh just kill this thread. I'm not a mod though so I don't have a right to say that.

I'm sorry I didn't have fun with 15?

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Playing ffxii again made me realize how much better Vii,Viii,IX,X,Xiii,Xiv and XV are. I don't hate it enough to try be prop up one of those games tho so meh

 

[DeSo]

Three times I tried with XII. Boring story and a grindfest for gil. The fact that they felt they needed to add a fast forward to this re-release says it all.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

I understand the cycle of lookin back but here's the issue, that simply signifies that indeed the series gets worse and worse and previous games simply start to look not so bad. So if 16 comes out eventually and is even worse than 15 then sure 15 might not look bad.

But I just want the series back on track. 1 was incredible, then I played ff 4 not long after on snes and once again just incredible. Then 6 released and blew it all away... Then fucking 7, then 8 was at the time felt like a step back, 9 felt back on track, and then 10 I enjoyed but many didn't... But still it was within the scope of true final fantasy.

12 then releases and feels totally different at the time but as I said it was palatable because it still felt like a true, deep, rpg.

13 hits and everything unravels in a huge way and takes one hell of a weird approach which I at that time again recall thinking how good it made 12 look. And now even further removed 15 just falls absolutely off the cliff. And the quick re release of 12 further enforces that.

Each older game since about X looks better because they just keep getting bad and becoming worse offenders. The same goes for 13 after 15, it looks not so bad.

15 just hits a new low for me, and if 16 is even worse than sure 15 might not look so bad... It's just how it goes.

I just want the series back on track

 

[MetalliCabombination]

You know people can like bad games right? which is fine btw. But when you start saying that FFXV is a good game... well... idk. Then I think you either have shitty standards or you're not experienced to be critiquing that genre.

You heard the boss, everyone who even remotely enjoyed the game, delete your posts and leave the thread. Let the 'real critics' who coincidentally all hate the game 'discuss' important matters in peace.
Theyre already allowing you to like a shitty game, what more do you want?

 

[Lights and Waves]

He's the main if he's in dissida.

What kind of logic is this, lol. So Shantotto is the main character of FFXI? Gabranth is the main villain of XII? Bye.

If you're going to start claiming X is divisive then you might as well include every game in the series from VII onwards

Right? X/X-2 are almost the highest selling games in the series and are beloved/iconic. Typical GAF revisionist history.

 

[ULTROS!]

Man FFXV gets always personal between people.

 

[Kikujiro]

You know people can like bad games right? which is fine btw. But when you start saying that FFXV is a good game... well... idk. Then I think you either have shitty standards or you're not experienced to be critiquing that genre.

Tell me your favorite movies so I can shit on your sub-standard movie taste.

You're so up your own asses you don't realize how ridiculous you sound.

 

[kayos90]

You heard the boss, everyone who even remotely enjoyed the game, delete your posts and leave the thread. Let the 'real critics' who coincidentally all hate the game 'discuss' important matters in peace.
Theyre already allowing you to like a shitty game, what more do you want?

Please. Don't be smug when you're probably the same for other things in your life like food or music or w/e.

Tell me your favorite movies so I can shit on your sub-standard movie taste.

You're so up your own asses you don't realize how ridiculous you sound.

Are you being serious? You haven't been in a situation where you KNOW something is actually bad but you still enjoyed it? Not once in your life? Well shit... I guess you're not human! Might as well be a robot.

 

[DarkLordMalik]

You know people can like bad games right? which is fine btw. But when you start saying that FFXV is a good game... well... idk. Then I think you either have shitty standards or you're not experienced to be critiquing that genre.

You have made it clear multiple times that FFXV is a bad game and this is fine as long as it is your opinion and you don't start to shove it down others throat.

You are not one to judge whether someone has a shitty standard or not based on the games that they like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but trying to come up with standards that objectively lists their opinion as shitty is only possible if you have a sense of self-importance about yourself.

 

[Rad-]

Three times I tried with XII. Boring story and a grindfest for gil. The fact that they felt they needed to add a fast forward to this re-release says it all.

SE has added autobattle for pretty much every rerelease. It or a similar feature is pretty much a norm now.

 

[kayos90]

You have made it clear multiple times that FFXV is a bad game and this is fine as long as it is your opinion and you don't start to shove it down others throat.

You are not one to judge whether someone has a shitty standard or not based on the games that they like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but trying to come up with standards that objectively lists their opinion as shitty is only possible if you have a sense of self-importance about yourself.

I'm not judging someone whether they like it or not based off my original post. I'm judging whether they actually say it's a good game. If you read my post you'd get it but hey, this isn't my first dance with you so I shouldn't be surprised.

 

[ULTROS!]

Please. Don't be smug when you're probably the same for other things in your life like food or music or w/e.

Hey, aren't you a big Tales fan?