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Fighting Games Weekly | Apr 27 - May 3 | NeoGAF actually plays games?!
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Shouta
Member
You post on here too? lol. I walked by you during the mystery tournament lol.
http://www.twitch.tv/gamerbee bruce streaming. playing yun right now.
Whatdup
Professor Beef
Banned
stay mad that you're too broke for archives
Ohhhhhh!
CountBlack
Member
i'll pay for it with the money you're going to donate to me at Evo
KidA Seven
Member
Gamerbee is thinking about going to Stunfest. So is Eita.
Europe, you're fucking done. It's over.
Europe, you're fucking done. It's over.
Coffeeling
Member
Those kinds of characters are obnoxious pieces of shit and you should feel bad for liking them.
Sp00ky and Art are wizards though. I've never seen a low-definition stream that looks as good as theirs. Typically lo-fi stuff is all blurry and unwatchable, but somehow teamSp00ky manages to make that stuff look sharp and clean.
So you admit your initial reaction was knee-jerk, then?
The initial location test nerf lists were much more harsh than what he eventually got saddled with. Sad I can't say the same about Pineberry. ;_;
SF4 in a nutshell lately. I lost? Head straight for character select.
Melee's character select music. It's all you need. (<3_<3)
Shouta
Member
I just didn't realize how many folks post here that were attending.
Smooth Operator
Member
Its that time again...
This one should get good...
Foot Dive
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Let me quote this shit real quick
Yeah. It's a pity too because I could have easily seen Smug winning NWM. The level of competition wasn't anywhere near as high as past premier events.
At this rate the CapCup top 32 is going to be 90% Asian players.
CountBlack
Member
Its that time again...
This one should get good...
lynx tail, lynx tail, lynx tai- MALLET SMASH, lynx tail, lyn - MALLET SMASH
Coffeeling
Member
Its that time again...
This one should get good...
GGxrd - Faust: Item toss
KOF 2002UM - Kasumi: Those goddamn broken rekkas.
KOF 2002UM - K': Ein Trigger
Every damn game ever: DP
UNIEL - Gordeau - Mortal Slide
I play too many characters built around abusive buttons, hard list to complete ;_;
shaowebb
Member
Its that time again...
This one should get good...
- Air flame choke (Ganondorf Smash Bros)
- Fire Crow (K' King of Fighters)
- Fire Bottle (Arthur UMVC3)
- Kasha Rekkas (Karas Tatsunoko vs Capcom)
- Razor Chain Kick Storm Kamae Cancels ( Polimar Tatsunoko vs Capcom)
Professor Beef
Banned
Lloyd Rocket
Condor Spire
Pocket
Mexican Typhoon
Falco Reflector
Condor Spire
Mexican Typhoon
Falco Reflector
SquirrelSoup
Member
DOT 2,4 (Kunimitsu, Tekken Rev)
SET 2 (Kunimitsu, Tekken Rev)
Coup Droit (Mitsuru, Persona Ultimax)
Air Fireball (Tsubaki, BBCP)
Psycho Sting (Decapre, USF4)
Not sure if you could call the Tekken stuff 'specials' but.. yeah. I use those A LOT. Too much.
Isn't he like 30 now?
Can't recall any move I really abused when I got out of my button mashing days. I used to spam Bison's sweep in SF II and King's multi-sweep move.
What I'd look at to make SF5 gain the casual crowd.
1) Gameplay wise: avoid obvious barriers like 1f links that make the top part of the game look inapproachable to casuals
2) Rip off MK9's challenge tower as your single-player fluff mode, and maybe rip off the krypt for unlocks like alt outfits
3) Have some badass characters like Alex, Juri. Look at what Namco has done for new characters in SC5 and T7 and run far away from it.
4) Use that $500k less to pay top players, and more to get folks to show up to events. I have real worries that SF5 e-sports money is going to choke off the pot monsters.
5) Great netcode.
1) Gameplay wise: avoid obvious barriers like 1f links that make the top part of the game look inapproachable to casuals
2) Rip off MK9's challenge tower as your single-player fluff mode, and maybe rip off the krypt for unlocks like alt outfits
3) Have some badass characters like Alex, Juri. Look at what Namco has done for new characters in SC5 and T7 and run far away from it.
4) Use that $500k less to pay top players, and more to get folks to show up to events. I have real worries that SF5 e-sports money is going to choke off the pot monsters.
5) Great netcode.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
SF5 could add fatalities
My point wasn't even that the changes weren't worth giving value labels but that people were showing excessive concern when we still had one more loke test to go and even those changes wouldn't be final.
Kars just takes shit way too seriously.
Fuck Elph, tho.
I've been sincerely considering this since MKX's release: why haven't more FGs aped that gimmick? Then I remembered that it essentially was aped to hell back in the 90's.
Then I thought: does it really have to be a violent finisher? Couldn't SF do more of an extended cutscene of some sort a la Ultra combos?
But then there's already Ultras/Supers and I'm not sure the concept of finishers fits SF's tone, anyway.
If they were gonna keep Ultra/Super cinematics while adding finishers, they could apply the Xrd method for the former and go the SF4 route for the latter.
Blackage
Member
I'm hoping the fact that SFV is built the ground up as a console game first that it means it'll have more single player content.
SFIV was very much just a port of the Arcade Version /w Trials.
I'm a little less worried about the Netcode, because I think Capcom's fighters have gotten better about online over time, and they're definitely listening when it comes to netcode, unlike those bastards at NetherRealm. *fist-shake*
SFIV was very much just a port of the Arcade Version /w Trials.
I'm a little less worried about the Netcode, because I think Capcom's fighters have gotten better about online over time, and they're definitely listening when it comes to netcode, unlike those bastards at NetherRealm. *fist-shake*
toddhunter
Member
In other words, the best way to attract non fighting game players is to make SF5 not be a fighting game.
Coffeeling
Member
And what if Ogawa hadn't sent a small novel to ArcSys on the Zato patch?
<3
That's traditionally been how FGs have tried to attract non-FG players. Stuff like story modes are created with non-FG players in mind.
Arcsys uses weeb bait to get those folks in. Skullgirls uses its excellent art.
What are you talking about?
toddhunter
Member
I think that is traditionally how FGs have tried to attract people who never actually play the fighting game bit. You can try this to get a better return on the investment, but when that investment is just from creating single player content, it is all a bit of a waste of time.
By example, if MK11 dropped the violence? It would sell as well as Skullgirls.
Exactly.
Its that time again...
This one should get good...
Marth's Sword Dance
Elphelt Shotgun Stance/Shotgun Blast
Dante's Crystal
Greninja's Hydro Pump
Makoto's EX Orochi
Apparently Arc was going to heavily nerf Zato but Ogawa explained to them in detail how each change they were considering was going to ruin the character.
You...I don't like you.
Coffeeling
Member
That Ogawa's reaction to the first loketest notes was about as appalled as mine and Karst's, or probably ten times worse. As far as I know he wrote a long diatribe as to why the nerfs were a horrible idea and sent it to ArcSys. Cue many of them being reverted in later tests. Overreaction to things not set in stone yet on his part, too?
I don't know why it's wrong to be appalled at stupid patch notes? Sounds like it's coming from the same place as all the "you gotta be excited for SFV, man, it's SFV! Don't complain about the walk speeds, it's not the final build man, it'll get better" type of comments.
To exaggerate: If someone wants to jump off a cliff without a parachute, should we just let him because he's not dead yet, and only freak out once he's a splat on the ground?
Arigatou ^^
CountBlack
Member
I often wonder how Skullgirls would have done if the game wasn't Marvel-based. I think an easier game would have sold better/done better (and easier does not mean dumbed-down)
I think a Darkstalkers-based (in terms of gameplay) Skullgirls would have scared fewer people away.
Those Steamspy charts showed Skullgirls players were more likely to buy waifu games like VNs and 100% OJ than other fighting games.
I'd even go so far as to say a SG VN or RPG might do really well.
toddhunter
Member
Lets be blunt. The problem with Skullgirls was that it was very slow, boring to play and had very few characters. It didn't even have a move list. It also looked (objectively) like shit.
The whole "Marvel" thing came later as in "It is the modern MvC2...come play it!!!!" Which didn't really fool anybody either. It was released as a poor package overall and that was why it didn't do too well (Also the gypsy curse that surrounded it early on didn't help).
Granted it has improved quite a bit as time has gone on. However it still isn't much fun to play and the artstyle has remained the same.
That doesn't mean there are not people who feel the complete opposite about the gameplay and art... but there just are not that many of those people and even less who actually play it.
Skullgirls needs a complete tear down to start again from square one. Those guys have proven now that they could make a top fighting game. They should do it.
2 late
soon I'll be dropping mallet smash links and sliding at bad times with everyone else
The casual crowd needs some offline ginding to pass time on, be it a long story mode or a quest mode with unlockables, they need some incentive to play the game that's not just the fighting itself.
As I said Capcom really need to make a Road to Capcom Cup mode in which the player travels all around the world to compete in tourneys (they can promote real tournaments with online updates), fight AI based on real players and make money to spend on costumes and other unlockables.
As I said Capcom really need to make a Road to Capcom Cup mode in which the player travels all around the world to compete in tourneys (they can promote real tournaments with online updates), fight AI based on real players and make money to spend on costumes and other unlockables.
It's not Marvel- the game does have it share of boring and frustrating- the big problem is that offense is too good in Skullgirls. When you constantly have to eat 5-way mixups, that's worse than SF4 vortex. Add in that any mistake= eating a long , rather boring-looking combo- that's why only a few people like playing the game.
The game works as intended I think, it's just that the intention does not lead to a fun game for most people, as steamrolling is too damn easy.
I agree the game needs some tearing down, which is why I'd want a sequel. I do think Mike Z would rather use the sprites he has now to make something new, rather than keep iterating on the same system, and I think he's talented enough to make a better game. (and that wouldn't be that expensive to accomplish)
I think Vampire Hunter (not Savior) would be a great inspiration.
CountBlack
Member
my elena dawg.
Really wish I could upload some good replays.. I have some archives of me in tourney but.. if it aint clean then fuck it tbh
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
VF4 did basically all of this, other than basing the in-game locations off of real tournaments.
FWIW, it wasn't half bad. Definitely got me to play more singleplayer than I usually do, anyway.
It was the only fighting game I got to play for six months. It did teach me a lot of VF basics, though I learned every possible way to exploit the AI in that game.
It didn't really teach me the advanced execution concepts, but working 14-hr days 5.5 days/week meant not much time for fighting games back then (this was 2004)
Jimnymebob
Member
No idea if this is the right place to ask, but I got KoF XIII on Friday, and it's my first KoF game/the only SNK I've played more than once since Fatal Fury 3 PC, and while I'm starting to get my head around the system mechanics, I'm finding the different hop and jump techniques to be awkward to pull off on stick consistently. How should I be moving the stick to hop? I understand that you move the stick to up/diagonal up and hold it in place to jump, and by that logic I've been flicking and letting go to hop, but it isn't consistent for me.
I'm curious to hear why you think Hunter over Saviour given I've always heard (and kinda agreed with) the opposite notion.
SolarPowered
Member
Marvel was always easier than DS. Marketing the game that way probably would have lured in fewer people and the game got plenty of nods towards DS with the slightly monster-like designs and dark atmosphere. The offense is somewhat similar, but pushblock not being piano based and not having Dark Force definitely differentiated them. Being "Dark Deco" ultimately set it apart and an all girl roster still would have pushed the same people away. Nothing would have changed at best.
This isn't wrong and I'd buy whatever Lab Zero makes. It might be better for them to try another genre if they can. A lot of people are going to read your post and make shitty assumptions, though. I have 24 people on my friend list who own the game and there are around half a dozen killers among them who have wrecked me thoroughly (or decently enough). Another handful are probably around my level. I've played some of the remaining ones a few times and some of them are solid. These are not casuals by any definition I've read.
Edit: I got 58 XIII owners, 56 USFIV owners, 22 MK9 owners, 14 Injustice owners and 11 BBCSE owners. It is a nice spread.
Sometimes I am thankful for SFxT. The game had such a shitty start that not even SG's cursed birth can compete. Lab Zero lost like seven to nine months of communication and dev time. That was more than a sting. It was like getting in the ring and taking a sunday punch to the chin at the beginning of the round. There were definitely some big objective problems with the vanilla version.
Subjective and the art is it's strength. The people who would have picked it up had the art been different would have just been fad players for three months until the next shiny game caught their eye.
A lot of people play it (at least on PC). I never have problems finding games and the IRC makes networking a cinch. We're still here after three years and hundreds of posts on gaf talking about the game being dead, boring, ugly or just plain bad.
I'll agree on one thing. The offense is stronger than ever before. The defense is going to receive major shakeups with Robo Fortune's release and continued Big Band/Fukua refinement, though. Steamrolling right now is definitely a tad strong with certain characters in the game.