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Kadey said:
And that is how you get better. Play with better people and get bodied until you gradually learn to deal with them. Everybody is laughing at CJ but he's approaching it the right way. And Champ is also right in giving him tough love, mocking him when he does something stupid, repeatedly troll him with certain tactics to get him to learn from his mistakes, etc.
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Learning how to take in negative feedback and use it to improve is crucial in any competitive game.
 
Dahbomb said:
He's not saying ChrisG isn't good or isn't hungry in fact he SPECIFICALLY said that ChrisG wins because he is hungry and is regular at tournaments plus does what he needs to in order to win matches.

He said that even ChrisG counter picks and adapts to other player's teams, which is what other players should be doing also especially against MorriDoom. Also he is implying that the rest of the players, while smart don't have their execution or game knowledge up to snuff compared to ChrisG's.

I think this rant/pop off is more geared towards the average EC competitor who comes to the tournament with his 3 point team comprising of the usual suspects and doesn't bother to look deeper in his team construction or how well it does against other teams. I agree with this, a lot of EC players just have bad team constructions (not bad characters just bad team compositions) that are ill equipped to handle stuff like MorriDoom. It's pretty telling that there isn't a SINGLE top or known Strider player in the EC, one MODOK (Dire) and a couple of Dorm players at best. You have to go as far as Florida to find Flocker (Strider). Now that is an example of a player who knows what he has to do to win, it's why he incorporated Strider into his team to begin with AND was the one who put ChrisG in losers at EVO.
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It's pretty damn true though. Chris G is like the only person on the EC that keeps adapting.

- Chris G started with the Wesker, Ryu, Hawkeye and lost to PR Balrog at NEC.
- So Chris G learn the Firebrand team. He eventually lost with a mix between the Firebrand and Wekser team at SCR
- So he goes back into the lab and figure out the firebrand, morrigan, doom team.
- Eventually lost with that team at Final Round and NCR. So he goes back into the lab once again.
- Figures out the Akuma, Morridoom team and dominate the shit out of everyone.
- Eventually runs into F. Champ at ECT4 and loses. So once again he goes back into the lab and figure out a counter with Morridoom + Hawkeye.
- Then with a stroke of genius counter picks Justin's counter pick team of Spencer/Vergil with his original Wesker, Ryu, Hawkeye team.

I haven't seen anyone else on the EC do that.
 
ChrisG also plays a lot of "troll" teams and has shown consistent play with a huge portion of the cast. Morrigan basically started off as one of his trolls team until one tournament he realized that no one really had an answer for it so he rocked it.

But yeah he adapts and keeps improving, which is crucial for this game.
 
Everybody is different. Not going to defend his stupidity but at least he doesn't give in. He doesn't really have anything to lose and obviously money is not that big of an issue since he's well off. So his incentives aren't on par with with people like Champ and Fanatiq having a clearer intention.
 
How well do the marvel players here at gaf think they would fare against CJ?

I've actually only seen CJ play at FGTV and it would be understandable why he would be losing so badly. I think the only way to accurately judge someone's skill level is having them play with someone just as good.
 
You can't take away from ChrisG's amazing play. People need to pay more attention to the technical decisions he makes, also when he decides to simplify his play to handle a simple gameplan.
 
xCobalt said:
How well do the marvel players here at gaf think they would fare against CJ?

I've actually only seen CJ play at FGTV and it would be understandable why he would be losing so badly. I think the only way to accurately judge someone's skill level is having them play with someone just as good.
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He does pretty bad in tournaments too....That time he got perfected and eliminated by a Thor team at NorthWest Majors was glorious.
 
Nyoro SF said:
You can't take away from ChrisG's amazing play. People need to pay more attention to the technical decisions he makes, also when he decides to simplify his play to handle a simple gameplan.
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I think more people definitely need to do this. Lots of people try to play at a level they simply aren't capable of technically. You don't need to have MarlinPie's execution to win.
 
Seems like an interesting discussion's going on in here regarding Chris G. I was always on board with his play because he more than anyone else playing the game, had been putting in quite a lot of R&D into his game plans, from the most obvious in team picks and counter picks to the more technical with his approaches and specific patterns he does during a match. MorriDoom was born out of sheer luck (literally, IIRC, it just happened randomly at a Big Two final when he went all random pick and he stuck with it) and him noticing that not only aren't people playing that match up correctly, they were determined to "prove" that Marvel is a game where all they had to do was "push more buttons" to shut down that "scrubby shit". Problem is, the guy is pretty damn good at adapting, Sudoku Watches and all. That drive is probably the reason why his MorriDoom is the gatekeeper and people are still struggling to reach competency against it. They derided it too long thinking "I'll just power through it" and now they have a monster they can't do away with, especially since Morrigan is one of I'd say 10 characters in the roster whose theoretical apex will force a good change in the way people think of this game. Imagine when Chris learns/starts executing more Soul Drain setups...
 
Busaiku said:
Isn't this what the entire panel at UFGT was about.
Only for him to do the same thing at Evo and lose the tournament.
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If you are referring to the final match, character and moment decision he made at EVO concerning the raw tag... he explained that he mistimed the raw tag and that if he had done it properly than Doom would've gotten hit by Sphere Flame and rolled to safety. It was the smart thing to do but it wasn't executed properly. Can't hate on a person for not pulling a godly clutch in a tight situation especially at such a huge stage. FChamp and ChrisG are two of the smartest/best players on the planet right now.
 
enzo_gt said:
Good shit FGC, way to completely miss the point of Sanford's rant. :|
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Yeah...It didn't seem like Sanford was discrediting Chris G at all. He was just saying that EC players need to stop being lazy and start counter-picking against Chris, and that he was beatable.

Kinda demeaning for Chris G to say no one plays smart in the East Coast. He's kinda thinking too highly of himself lol.
 
CookedChocobo said:
Yeah...It didn't seem like Sanford was discrediting Chris G at all. He was just saying that EC players need to stop being lazy and start counter-picking against Chris, and that he was beatable.

Kinda demeaning for Chris G to say no one plays smart in the East Coast. He's kinda thinking too highly of himself lol.
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But it is kind of demeaning to say its an issue about counter picking to beat Chris G.
 
CookedChocobo said:
Yeah...It didn't seem like Sanford was discrediting Chris G at all. He was just saying that EC players need to stop being lazy and start counter-picking against Chris, and that he was beatable.

Kinda demeaning for Chris G to say no one plays smart in the East Coast. He's kinda thinking too highly of himself lol.
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People should've listened to the entire rest of the rant, over half of the shit is missing from that YT video.

Sanford complimented Chris G tenfold in that rant. His point is that Chris G is the only one playing smart in the entire coast and people need to smarten up. Chris G shouldn't be winning so free because people need to step their shit up. Yeah there is a bunch of nonsense in that video too but people are getting mad at all the wrong shit.
 
CookedChocobo said:
Yeah...It didn't seem like Sanford was discrediting Chris G at all. He was just saying that EC players need to stop being lazy and start counter-picking against Chris..


Kinda demeaning for Chris G to say no one plays smart in the East Coast. He's kinda thinking too highly of himself lol.
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Well no one outside of Yipes and Marlinpie really does. Hell MP is kinda guilty too since he gets stubborn and won't start ammy on point.
 
I don't think ChrisG is being demeaning.

He says people don't play smart and don't need to learn a bunch of teams.

Sanford says people are not hungry and don't counter pick.

Is one more demeaning than the other?

Everybody has their take on it.
 
Grecco said:
But it is kind of demeaning to say its an issue about counter picking to beat Chris G.
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Well he's partially right....What has really beaten Chris G Morri/Doom?

Dire's Modok team, Champ's Dormmamu team, and Justin's Spencer/Vergil/Frank West. I've never seen Justin beat Chris G's Morri/Doom with Wolvie/Storm/Akuma.
 
Somewhere along the message of the video is lost.

Sanford isn't saying that picking a counter team will allow you to win over ChrisG or it's an easy win. Fact of the matter is you need to play at least as good as ChrisG while also being at least as smart while also picking teams that do well against him team. People need to actually step their game up before they can even start thinking about counter pick teams.
I've never seen Justin beat Chris G's Morri/Doom with Wolvie/Storm/Akuma.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LP43QQncDM

Also Combo's She Hulk team at ECT.
 
AzureJericho said:
Seems like an interesting discussion's going on in here regarding Chris G. I was always on board with his play because he more than anyone else playing the game, had been putting in quite a lot of R&D into his game plans, from the most obvious in team picks and counter picks to the more technical with his approaches and specific patterns he does during a match. MorriDoom was born out of sheer luck (literally, IIRC, it just happened randomly at a Big Two final when he went all random pick and he stuck with it) and him noticing that not only aren't people playing that match up correctly, they were determined to "prove" that Marvel is a game where all they had to do was "push more buttons" to shut down that "scrubby shit". Problem is, the guy is pretty damn good at adapting, Sudoku Watches and all. That drive is probably the reason why his MorriDoom is the gatekeeper and people are still struggling to reach competency against it. They derided it too long thinking "I'll just power through it" and now they have a monster they can't do away with, especially since Morrigan is one of I'd say 10 characters in the roster whose theoretical apex will force a good change in the way people think of this game. Imagine when Chris learns/starts executing more Soul Drain setups...
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Do you know which Big 2 that was?
 
enzo_gt said:
Good shit FGC, way to completely miss the point of Sanford's rant. :|
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Seriously. Justin saying Sanford is jealous? Dude praised his hunger, praised his ability and willingness to figure out new teams, etc etc etc.

I feel like of Yipes said this they would actually hear his words and not his voice.
 
Dahbomb said:
Somewhere along the message of the video is lost.

Sanford isn't saying that picking a counter team will allow you to win over ChrisG or it's an easy win. Fact of the matter is you need to play at least as good as ChrisG while also being at least as smart while also picking teams that do well against him team. People need to actually step their game up before they can even start thinking about counter pick teams.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LP43QQncDM

Also Combo's She Hulk team at ECT.
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Oh, I forgot about that. Combo played amazing against CHris, and I guess kinda shuts down the need to counter pick CHris G argument. Well, i did say Sanford was partially right lol.

And not to discredit that Justin win with Wolvie/Storm/Akuma, but that was Chris G's Morri/Doom before he really level'd up that team. But good point and thanks for making me remember, Justin's Wolvie/Storm/Akuma could and did beat Chris G's Morri/Doom
 
90TilInfinity said:
Seriously. Justin saying Sanford is jealous? Dude praised his hunger, praised his ability and willingness to figure out new teams, etc etc etc.

I feel like of Yipes said this they would actually hear his words and not his voice.
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Amen.

jbug617 said:
Sanford believes Yipes is the best on the EC and Spooky also said Yipes is the best.
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I think Yipes is the second best. Chris G does better in problematic match ups (Morrigan, Phoenix, etc.) and still has more consistent actual tournament performance. Like Sanford said himself later on, what's on paper is what matters. Chris G is still king of EC.

Yipes is a smart player too, I think everyone knows he's deadly even on a mental level.
 
atomic moth said:
So no VF on stream?

I know a lot of people here like P4, but not really my cup of tea.

Does anyone think this will be the time slot for all new games? Like TTT2 will replace it in soon?

I hope people are still playing VF
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VF5 will be not be on stream that week, if we do happen to keep p4a on the wnf roster we will most likely rotate on which game gets stream time for the week. The day we are showing p4a on wnf is only a test run to see what kinda turnout we can get depending on how two events go we'll adjust our plans for p4a.
 
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