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toddhunter said:
Given the conditions it is still a great performance to be so dominant. I am a believer in the Japanese underperforming under travel conditions, so have to respect him as a true pro.
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Hmmm...I think that's partially true, but I guess Eita would be the latest example of that.

I don't like making excuses for players, but Shadowloo Showdown was one of the most stacked SF4 tournaments this year. Eita won that and didn't make it out of his pools in EVO, heh.
 
The Phantomnaut said:
Huh? Also Boss was on the team. My odds were that Nuki, Kokujin and Tokura were gonna win.
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Nuki hasn't been in top form for quite a while. Kokujin fun to watch but he hasn't ever been on that cream of the crop level.

P.S You guys can blame LeBron James for all these super powers teaming up together.

CookedChocobo said:
Hmmm...I think that's partially true, but I guess Eita would be the latest example of that.

I don't like making excuses for players, but Shadowloo Showdown was one of the most stacked SF4 tournaments this year. Eita won that and didn't make it out of his pools in EVO, heh.
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Or they just had a bad day.... most of them come at least a few days if not weeks before EVO. The Japanese Marvel guys were at FGTV at least 4-5 days before EVO even started. It's not like this is Eita's first year at EVO he KNEW what to expect. Eita also lost to Sim U2... really he probably just didn't have any knowledge when it came to that shit.
 
Mago was living with justin for weeks and he played really crappy. Flying for a billion hours is probably the most stressful and tiring things on the planet, but some of those guys had plenty of rest. I don't buy it.

It's consistency, and how well you perform when the crowd is against you.
 
A Pretty Panda said:
It's like a country winning it's first olympic medal in swimming but one of the people saying "Well swimming is cool I guess but we're more of a Soccer country. I'm not saying winning a Swimming medal doesn't count but a Soccer medal? Now there's something that counts!"

No one thinks like that....
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If the swimming pool were abysmal, there was no crowd, and they had to keep pouring water into the pool, then your analogy would be more apt.
 
CookedChocobo said:
Not sure if you're playing the devil's advocate here but I'm going to respond like you're serious.


The turnout for the tournament and nearly all the top Japanese UMVC3 players being there would state otherwise.

You're saying despite Justin beating Japan's top UMVC3 talent in that tournament, it doesn't count because the game is not as popular there as in America?
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No is taking away from Justin's skill in Marvel, more like SBO Marvel is kind of an easy win. Heck, this thread had the same stuff before Justin won. eg. Even Killerkai can take it or any given WNF/Big Two would provide a tougher tourney in Marvel.

It's basically the equivalent of a Korean SC2 player winning the NASL or a Japanese player beating on the US Blazblue scene.

Winning a major French Soul Calibur tourney: impressive
Winning a Korean T6 major: impressive
Winning a US MK major: impressive
Winning a Japanese Marvel player < Curly Mustache/Season's Beating's/ etc.

toddhunter said:
Given the conditions it is still a great performance to be so dominant. I am a believer in the Japanese underperforming under travel conditions, so have to respect him as a true pro.
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I don't know about that. Tokido always seems pretty solid overseas. It's really Mago that has the whole Captain Britain thing going on. I'd say Momochi's bigger obstacle is his desire to be a face instead of embracing the role of a heel.
 
sleepykyo said:
No is taking away from Justin's skill in Marvel, more like SBO Marvel is kind of an easy win. Heck, this thread had the same stuff before Justin won. eg. Even Killerkai can take it or any given WNF/Big Two would provide a tougher tourney in Marvel.

It's basically the equivalent of a Korean SC2 winning the NASL or a Japanese player beating on the US Blazblue scene.

Winning a major French Soul Calibur tourney: impressive
Winning a Korean T6 major: impressive
Winning a US MK major: impressive
Winning a Japanese Marvel player < Curly Mustache/Season's Beating's/ etc.
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SBO marvel is much tougher than Big Two, and TRB.

Not only did it have the 4 Americans Justin, Jan, Mihe and Kai, but also Abegen, JEO, Chou, Kubo, Freida, Mamespider, G.X, Kosoru, Momochi and whoever else. Not exactly scrubs.... As a whole Japan obviously doesn't play Marvel like we do, but their best players clearly put in the same amount of hours as ours do.
 
Well, the analogy was not good.

Is the argument about his accomplishment? or the significance of the accomplishment, given the scene and popularity of the game?

And just asking, is NiN, who has come to the U.S. before, and won Tekken looked upon the same way, since the scene for that game isn't as large as SF or MVC?

Or how the KOF finals went this year at Evo?

Edit: Regardless, congrats to him for winning MVC3 at Japan's premier fighting-game tournament (for whatever that's worth).
 
Winning SBO Marvel is a big deal. Their scene's Marvel players were working just as hard as ours to win SBO and they lost.
 
sleepykyo said:
It's basically the equivalent of a Korean SC2 winning the NASL or a Japanese player beating on the US Blazblue scene.
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In all fairness though, the US BlazBlue scene is actually pretty good.

The guys did better at Blue Revo than anyone here has done in Street Fighter prior to this year, and Chou (an SBO winner) was knocked out before top 16/8 at Evo this year.

I imagine they'll do well in Persona 4 Arena too.
We are completely free in Guilty Gear though.
 
Also I think there's not even a shred of doubt that Justin Wong is the best American fighting game player of all time. This SBO win just adds more fuel to the fire.
 
Busaiku said:
In all fairness though, the US BlazBlue scene is actually pretty good.

The guys did better at Blue Revo than anyone here has done in Street Fighter prior to this year, and Chou (an SBO winner) was knocked out before top 16/8 at Evo this year.

I imagine they'll do well in Persona 4 Arena too.
We are completely free in Guilty Gear though.
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Didn't they win one round at BBR?
 
I don't think you guys are seeing beef's point. Its like, a NBA championship, a fiba title, or a Olympic gold. Most American players would say an NBA title is more prestigious and desireable and harder to achieve. They are all great accomplishments though, just the NBA title is on top.
 
biosnake20 said:
Also I think there's not even a shred of doubt that Justin Wong is the best American fighting game player of all time. This SBO win just adds more fuel to the fire.
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All time arguments are a bit tricky. There are so many different games and characters. Best to just leave it as "he is great".
 
ThatCrazyGuy said:
I don't think you guys are seeing beef's point. Its like, a NBA championship, a fiba title, or a Olympic gold. Most American players would say an NBA title is more prestigious and desireable and harder to achieve. They are all great accomplishments though, just the NBA title is on top.
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Not really. Japanese have won American Marvel tournaments before. They are competitors in the game with the US.

The size of the scene is irrelevant it's about the quality of the scene and Japan's Marvel scene has been doing well this past year.
 
ThatCrazyGuy said:
I don't think you guys are seeing beef's point. Its like, a NBA championship, a fiba title, or a Olympic gold. Most American players would say an NBA title is more prestigious and desireable and harder to achieve. They are all great accomplishments though, just the NBA title is on top.
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Well F. Champ won the NBA title and Justin just won the Olympic Gold.

Either way USA won the two that matter most.. oh and once we win Canada Cup Marvel that will be the FIBA.

....
 
Yup. Dirk owning the NBA is a greater accomplishment than him owning he whole EU. America is home for the most part for the best basketball. Same for marvel.
 
Grecco said:
Was it in doubt?
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Nope

All time arguments are a bit tricky. There are so many different games and characters. Best to just leave it as "he is great".
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They're not tricky in this case. Who in America can you even put up for debate against Wong? I can't even think of any 3d FG players that were this good at more than one game. In japan there are 5 2D fighting game gods. In the U.S there is Justin Wong. People like John Choi and Alex Valle were amazing too but they can't touch Justin in the variety of games he can play.

Dahbomb said:
God...

That USA vs World 5v5 event at Seasons Beating is going to be so fucking free.
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Omega free.
 
biosnake20 said:
They're not tricky in this case. Who in America can you even put up for debate against Wong? I can't even think of any 3d FG players that were this good at more than one game. In japan there are 5 2D fighting game gods. In the U.S there is Justin Wong. People like John Choi and Alex Valle were amazing too but they can't touch Justin in the variety of games he can play.
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Justin is definitely the best fighting game player in the U.S. for probably the last decade or so. This is just another in the line of accomplishments he's managed to attain.

No offense to Valle, Choi or Tomo Ohiro's accomplishments, but their reigns weren't as prolonged in Street Fighter. Tomo was #1 in SFII to SFII Hyper. Valle was a beast in Alpha 2 and 3 (though he has managed to remain relevant and competitive in multiple games including SF, Tekken, MK, etc).
 
Justin is the only fgc player who has some sort of mainstream recognizability. Hes the closest there is to a "cross over" star. Imo.
 
Grecco said:
Justin is the only fgc player who has some sort of mainstream recognizability. Hes the closest there is to a "cross over" star. Imo.
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Not for long though....

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According to Justin Wong's Wikipedia page (take it for what it's worth):

Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Evolution (2001) - 1st
Evolution (2002) - 1st
Evolution (2003) - 1st
Evolution (2004) - 1st
Evolution (2005) - 4th
Evolution (2006) - 1st
Evolution (2007) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 1st
Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2010) - 1st

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

Evolution (2005) - 2nd
Evolution (2008) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 1st (2v2 with Issei Suzuki)
Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament (2012) - 1st

Capcom vs SNK 2

Evolution (2007) - 3rd

Tekken 5

Evolution (2006) - 4th

Street Fighter IV

Evolution (2009) - 2nd
Evolution (2009) - 1st (5v5 Team East Coast)

Super Street Fighter IV

Canada Cup's Marvel Madness (2011) - 2nd
Canada Cup's Marvel Madness (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)

Super Street Fighter IV: Arcade Edition

Devastation (2011) - 1st
Socal Regionals (2011) - 1st
Winter Brawl 6 (2012) - 1st
Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament (2012) - 1st
East Coast Throwdown (2012) - 2nd
CEO - Community Effort Orlando (2012) - 1st

Tatsunoko vs Capcom

Evolution (2010) - 3rd

Marvel vs Capcom 3

Evolution (2011) - 3rd
Canada Cup's Marvel Madness (2011) - 1st
Canada Cup's Marvel Madness (2011) - 1st (3v3 Teams)
Devastation (2011) - 1st
Canada Cup (2011) - 2nd

Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3

Socal Regionals (2011) - 1st
Winter Brawl 6 (2012) - 1st
Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament (2012) - 5th
East Coast Throwdown (2012) - 2nd
CEO - Community Effort Orlando (2012) - 1st
Evolution (2012) - Top 8

Mortal Kombat 9

PDP.com's Mortal Kombat Nationals (2011) - 1st

Street Fighter X Tekken

Ultimate Fighting Game Tournament (2012) - 1st
East Coast Throwdown (2012) - 1st
CEO - Community Effort Orlando (2012) - 3rd
 
Grecco said:
Was one of the ladies in this gif also in the same season as WCG THE ULTIMATE GAM3R that Justin was? Ive been watching those episodes on youtube and she seems familiar.
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Yea that's her.
From left to right.

Andreas Choice - Singer, youtube personality
Mike Ross - You already know
Michelle Phan - Youtube's Queen of makeup and just overall subscriber (for females).
Katt Gunn - WCG Ultimate gamer season 2
winner
.
xxx- not sure
dude with hat - Michelle's token gay friend
 
Justin has more major Marvel tournaments won than the ones listed. He won Toryuken in UMVC3 and in Vanilla he won UFGT, Winter Brawl, NCR and 2nd place @ CEO + Final Round.
 
Dahbomb said:
Justin has more major Marvel tournaments won than the ones listed. He won Toryuken in UMVC3 and in Vanilla he won UFGT, Winter Brawl, NCR and 2nd place @ CEO + Final Round.
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i realized i'm not as big an FGC fan as i want that i can pinpoint specific info like that on the spot...
 
WesternHeretic said:
SBO marvel is much tougher than Big Two, and TRB.

Not only did it have the 4 Americans Justin, Jan, Mihe and Kai, but also Abegen, JEO, Chou, Kubo, Freida, Mamespider, G.X, Kosoru, Momochi and whoever else. Not exactly scrubs.... As a whole Japan obviously doesn't play Marvel like we do, but their best players clearly put in the same amount of hours as ours do.
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Big Two means you need to beat the SOUSOUSOUSOUSOUSOUSOUFIST, which I am quite certain no one in SBO including J Wong is capable of. Winning TRB is a lot easier and weeks without much stronger players is common, but it will be hard for non-regulars to win it over the regulars.
 
They also don't have most of Justin's wins in earlier SF4 like and in the recent Capcom tourney. Basically take that list and double the amount of wins.
 
I said take it for what it's worth (Wikipedia).

First major sponsored player.
Much to his chagrin, the subject of a few popular fighting game videos.
Subject of a documentary (and appeared in a few others).

And someone mentioned how he wasn't top four in Marvel, but can any one name another player who is a major threat in SFIV, MVC3 and when he applies himself in others like KOF, Skull Girls, Tekken, MK, SFXT, etc?
 
scytheavatar said:
Big Two means you need to beat the SOUSOUSOUSOUSOUSOUSOUFIST, which I am quite certain no one in SBO including J Wong is capable of. Winning TRB is a lot easier and weeks without much stronger players is common, but it will be hard for non-regulars to win it over the regulars.
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You do know the only soul fist guy that a threat is Chris G? TRB had freaking 4 out of 8 at EVO top 8.

If you put all the 32 players from SBO into Big Two and play that shit 10 weeks in a row do you think Chris G win 10 weeks in a row?

I say at best he wins 2-4 weeks.
 
WesternHeretic said:
You do know the only soul fist guy that a threat is Chris G? TRB had freaking 4 out of 8 at EVO top 8.

If you put all the 32 players from SBO into Big Two and play that shit 10 weeks in a row do you think Chris G win 10 weeks in a row?

I say at best he wins 2-4 weeks.
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It would be Justin vs Chris G finals every time with Chris G winning most of the time. RayRay and KillerKai would round out the top 4.
 
Spiderjericho said:
I said take it for what it's worth (Wikipedia).

First major sponsored player.
Much to his chagrin, the subject of a few popular fighting game videos.
Subject of a documentary (and appeared in a few others).

And someone mentioned how he wasn't top four in Marvel, but can any one name another player who is a major threat in SFIV, MVC3 and when he applies himself in others like KOF, Skull Girls, Tekken, MK, SFXT, etc?
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Chris G is the only person that matches Jwong when it comes to variety of games.
 
biosnake20 said:
It would be Justin vs Chris G finals every time with Chris G winning most of the time. RayRay and KillerKai would round out the top 4.
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I think if it was Justin v Chris G 10 times in a row, Justin would have a counter team sorted after week 1 and it would end up like 8-2.

If he took it seriously that is.
 
Basically Justin flew around the world to defeat a country's scene which was held at SBO. If people want to say that being SBO makes it a great accomplishment than good for them I guess. USA has a whole bunch of regions with better scenes than Japan. I would say Mexico has a better scene too.
 
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