Augemitbutter
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nice artwork, bad game, business as usual.
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Final Fantasy Gaiden: The 4 Heroes of Light coming to NA/EU this fall
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Father_Brain
Banned
Volcynika said:
Hmm. So, the inventory issues are oddly unmentioned, but it does sound like the autotargeting hasn't changed at all.
Edit: The gameplay video shows that the inventory is still limited to 15 slots per character. Well, so much for that! :lol
lordoftherink
Member
Lowest HP, which is terrible if say you have a White Mage with just under half HP, but low defense, and a Knight with high defense, but lower HP than the White Mage. Game heals Knight, enemies kill White Mage on next turn. Idiotic design choice. Why they needed to dumb the game down for an audience that plays Dragon Quest and Pokemon is beyond me.Skilletor said:
Princess Skittles
Prince's's 'Skittle's
I'm actually interested in the battle system.
I think it'll be interesting to play around the game's mechanics.
I think it'll be interesting to play around the game's mechanics.
Princess Skittles said:
Unfortunately there isn't much to "play around" with. Battles are either so easy that it doesn't matter, or for harder boss battles it's just aggravating until you grind. The balance kinda blows and the jobs and equipment always feel really limited at any given time. :/
Skilletor said:
Pacing is balls when you have to escape a dungeon just to change item load out for a boss because of a limited inventory, and then do the dungeon all over again.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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Muy excelente!
This and Lufia!
Love it!
This and Lufia!
Love it!
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
What? Is this on-rails?Mejilan said:
I haven't played it so I don't know.
CruxisMana
Member
Just watched some videos and the auto-targeting does look pretty awful. Shame.
Die Squirrel Die
Member
wrowa said:It's supposed to resemble the old Final Fantasy logo, you know
Except PAL territories never got any old FFs, so there's no nostalgic reason to use such a shitty font.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Even with the bad impressions this game has everything I want from an FF
- Akihiko Yoshida
- Job system
- Beautiful art & music
I'll be picking this one up.
- Akihiko Yoshida
- Job system
- Beautiful art & music
I'll be picking this one up.
lordoftherink
Member
uh, what I was getting at was that Squenix "simplifying" the game and gearing it for a younger audience was idiotic, as many kids, at least in Japan, are already playing Dragon Quest and Pokemon, which, among other things, allow you to set a target for spellswrowa said:
lordoftherink
Member
Aeana said:
Well, to be fair, I've only played about two hours of 4 Warriors of Light, but I have the same complaints with it that people already voiced here. The lack of manual targeting and the way the inventory system works are just silly. I have some problems with DQ9, as well (centered mostly around the job system), but it is by far the better game.Oli said:
There's no inherent problem with limited inventory, as long as the loot design in the game takes it into account. In 4WoL, it almost feels like the rest of the game designers didn't know there would be a limited inventory. Everything takes up inventory spaces, including spells, and there are tons of items you find all over the place. The best part is when a temporary character leaves and takes their entire inventory with them.Hobbun said:
Aeana said:
Like I said, I could deal with the limited inventory, that is not a game breaker for me. But not being able to manually target, is. That is one of the main reasons why turn based combat is my preference, because you usually have full control. Not in this case, though.
Technosteve
Banned
only DS FF game i was excited for =( japan gaf no like =(. But the character designs are super kawaii and it has a job system. maybe they port it to iphone =(
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Damn, they really were dedicated to making this an old school Final Fantasy. They even went ahead and intensified the genre's long discarded flaws :lolAeana said:
In typical FF fashion, I'll bring a bit of balance to all the negativity here.
First, about targeting.
The enemies are divided between front and back row. Attacks too are divided between those targeting in priority the front row (mainly physical attacks) and those targeting in priority the back row (mainly magical attacks). So it's not like you can't choose which enemy you want to kill first, you can actually. Unless you screw up with the job selection and have something like 4 warriors without any skills who can only target the front row...
In case you want to concentrate on the back row, use skills and spells.
As for healing, if you have a healer, concentrate on it if you think things may be dangerous. There's no magic point for a reason.
About the limited inventory.
It's limited, yes. So you have to manage it. What does that means ? that you can only bring with you a limited number of items, which you don't even have to use if you choose correctly your jobs. Let's have a look of what you need : equipments (4 slots), spell books if mage, items if warrior, a bit of both if other (4 slots. No, the mage don't need both books and items, seriously), an alternative weapon and accessory just in case your setup is not adapted (2 slots). Total 10 slots, 5 slots left for each characters, more than enough to collect treasures or bring more with you.
Now, some will say "hey, but I need to have books of every elements in case I'm fighting monsters with different weaknesses". No, you don't. I'll quote Sprsk about this :
I'll add that by talking with NPC, you know what to expect.
It may not appeal to some, but I sincerely think the game is really good. Wonderful art direction, good music, pacing and story, lot of things going on, a lot of different interesting jobs never seen in FF before, and let's not forget mini-games, world map and towns (lol).
No reason, just a stupid spelling mistake...
First, about targeting.
The enemies are divided between front and back row. Attacks too are divided between those targeting in priority the front row (mainly physical attacks) and those targeting in priority the back row (mainly magical attacks). So it's not like you can't choose which enemy you want to kill first, you can actually. Unless you screw up with the job selection and have something like 4 warriors without any skills who can only target the front row...
In case you want to concentrate on the back row, use skills and spells.
As for healing, if you have a healer, concentrate on it if you think things may be dangerous. There's no magic point for a reason.
About the limited inventory.
It's limited, yes. So you have to manage it. What does that means ? that you can only bring with you a limited number of items, which you don't even have to use if you choose correctly your jobs. Let's have a look of what you need : equipments (4 slots), spell books if mage, items if warrior, a bit of both if other (4 slots. No, the mage don't need both books and items, seriously), an alternative weapon and accessory just in case your setup is not adapted (2 slots). Total 10 slots, 5 slots left for each characters, more than enough to collect treasures or bring more with you.
Now, some will say "hey, but I need to have books of every elements in case I'm fighting monsters with different weaknesses". No, you don't. I'll quote Sprsk about this :
sprsk said:
I'll add that by talking with NPC, you know what to expect.
It may not appeal to some, but I sincerely think the game is really good. Wonderful art direction, good music, pacing and story, lot of things going on, a lot of different interesting jobs never seen in FF before, and let's not forget mini-games, world map and towns (lol).
No reason, just a stupid spelling mistake...
Sinople said:
First of all, any reason why you were typing raw instead of row? In the beginning I figured it was a typo, but then you typed raw multiple times.
But as for your argument for targeting, I guess I could live with targeting groups (rows) of enemies, you have had that limitation in Dragon Quest in the past. However, I am not sure what you are getting at in your argument for healing. Those who have played the game are not complaining they cant concentrate on healing, they are complaining they cant target specific party members to heal. The game automatically chooses the lowest HP character, and more times than it should be, it is not the party member you want healed. And that you have no magic points to worry about is not the point, it's not being able to target characters for healing at crucial times.
chicken_ramen
Member
Hobbun said:
The way the game is set up the 'crucial time' for healing just gets moved back a turn, before the problem of picking between two characters appears. The game's design really takes into account the inability to manually target, and it requires very little getting used to. As the whole system is built around this auto targetting I'm not sure why anyone expected it to change. It's an intentional design feature and not as bad as some people who haven't played it seem to think it is.
The complaining on original release was largely about the item system, because it was the only part that really created inconvenience and only in the sense that you might arrive at the end of a dungeon and find that you have the wrong items for a boss fight.
The game is good, but not great. Charming, but not the best DS game in the genre. To the poster asking about whether to purchase this over DQIX - I wouldn't. But it's not awful and auto targetting is not the massive error some people imagine it to be.
chicken_ramen said:
Well, I cant argue for how the game plays as of course I havent played it yet. I can only go by impressions, and as I said, one of the reasons for my preference of turn-based RPGs is normally you can target manually. I dont see any logical reason to take it away except try to be different or make it more challenging. And neither reason, in my opinion, is good enough in losing complete control over my party members.
Although not sure exactly what you mean by crucial healing is moved back a turn. You cant run into the situation where the game heals your fighter, because he is lower HP than your mage and your mage ends up dying because his HPs are within death range of a hit (due to his lower defense)?
Also, I never said I expected it to change. Would manual targeting be nice for localization? Sure, but it wasnt something I expected by any means. I was just expressing my feelings on why I dont like auto-targetting.
chicken_ramen
Member
Hobbun said:
Sorry about that, I was specifically replying to you in one sense but the don't expect it to change comment was more general in nature. Several commenters seem to have expressed the thought that perhaps this could have changed in localisation. It's a cornerstone of the whole design so such a change was highly unlikely.
Also I was coming back to edit my comment on 'moving the critical time back a turn'. I meant that good team health management should keep a person from being in the position where a badly directed heal would be their undoing. I'm now working on memory from some six months ago, but I seriously don't recall ever being in the position where the auto targetting healed the wrong guy and cost me the fight. I'm not saying its impossible I'm just trying to say that it's not as big an issue as you might imagine. And really, the system is all very predictable and therefore completely manageable.
Hobbun said:
Sorry for the spelling mistake, it's corrected.
Honestly, I've never lost a battle because the AI healed the wrong character, not a single time. If you use wisely your healer, by storing action points to use a multiple targets spell for example, you shouldn't have problem with that.
But I do understand that not being able to target may not be to your liking. Just give it a try to see if it really bothers you.
kamikazekoala
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It will sell on the Final Fantasy title alone. But hey, maybe I'll buy it when the used section is full of them...