People got sick at that Hobbit movie
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Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster PC performance thread
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People got sick at that Hobbit movie
I'm seeing some ugly seams in first shot's floor there, but it's been a million years since I played the original and I didn't touch the remasters on console so I don't know if they were always there (or if it's just me).
4K with everything maxed might be a tad too much for GTX970, gpu usage was doing a lot of 90%+ at certain scenes at the beginning. Dropped MSAA from 8x to 4x and that naturally seems to have done the trick.
Have a Nice Day
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Those shots looks really clean.
IcyRhythms
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How soon can we expect someone to unlock the frame rate?
quite the meme my friend.
Jawbreaker
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I'll get this when it's dirt cheap since it's still locked at 30 FPS. I can't justify buying this game yet again until there's a big sale on it. It's nice to see that it has a decent number of options and runs well, however.
A framerate is not irrelevant to a gaming experience.
http://www.overclock.net/a/the-truth-about-fps
please read this, so you realize why it's dumb to compare gaming to any other medium.
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Deleted member 17706
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In any interactive experience, a higher refresh rate will provide a more pleasant experience. It's all about responsiveness.
Its absolutely irrelevant to an experience where you just pressing menu commands occasionally. Let's not be pedantic here and act like its a big feature people have been missing for years that would completely change the game.
Responsiveness is not an issue for this game unless you care that much about perfectly timed lightning dodges. I'm not sure what the actual pushback is coming from here
"60fps or no buy!"
"Its not a big deal for this type of game"
"Yes it is!"
"Why"
"cause it is!"
I just don't get it.
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Deleted member 17706
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Nonsense. It determines the feel of the game. Everything feels better when you have a higher refresh rate.
Using Windows or Mac OS X typically doesn't require twitch reactions, but operating both would feel like shit if they weren't refreshing at the same rate as the display onto which their images were output.
You really have no argument here. 30 may be OK for you. Honestly, it's "OK," for me, too, but it's just an arbitrary cut off point. 60 or higher is always better.
Honestly, something like 5 fps would be sufficient for simple menu navigation. It would feel like shit, though. Individual thresholds for what feels bad differ between each person, but a higher refresh rate is never irrelevant. It always feels better in an interactive medium.
Bl@de
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60fps produces a smoother picture than 30fps. 144fps is even better. You don't care. That's okay. I like smooth motion when playing a game. Battle animations and running around looks better in higher framerates. It's not about quick reactions. It's simply more pleasant to look at and hardware is not an issue in my case. That's relevant to my experience. Is the game unplayable? No. But it's inferior to an unlocked framerate. That's a fact (because with an unlocked framerate you can lock it yourself, locked fps doesn't give you any options) and I hope someone can unlock it.
It would.
It wouldn't affect the gameplay at all though. And it doesn't look excessively jarring or jittery at 30, it looks the best the game has ever looked.
Atomic Playboy
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Animations won't look better if they're determined by frames, not timing. If you take 30 frames of animation meant to run at 30 FPS and run it at 144 FPS, it will look ridiculous. And if that's legitimately how FF X was animated, that means the only way to unlock the framerate would be to redo every animation in the game, which isn't going to happen.
This used to be a lot more common in the SDTV days when they were designed around 29.97 Hz or whatever
That's why games were sometimes 'slow' in PAL regions, because everything was running at 25 Hz
There is a reason that Final Fantasy VIII had menus running at 60 FPS. It's smoother and so offers a better experience.
Edit: Don't get me wrong. 30 FPS is ok for this game and I'm downloading it right now, but it would be much better at higher frame rates.
CertifiedFP
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I'd like to remind people that when this game came out on PS2, mainstream PC games were still being coded for specific framerates.
Vanilla Deus Ex without a 60FPS cap goes into hyperspeed once you go above 60. Pre-Steam CS1.6 and other Valve games from the pre-Steam era also suffer from this issue. Likewise Morrowind (Which released after FFX) starts to go hyperspeed above 60 as well (...And Betashed still hasn't gotten around to fixing that, beyond putting a 72FPS cap on Fallout 4). Among a variety of other PC games from that time - Many of which have been fixed with mods later down the line (Or in the case of Valve's games, patched), mind.
The framerate cap here is just a reality of what game development was like in 2001. The community will probably find a way to fix it if it's possible in this case though. Final Fantasy XI was capped to 30FPS for awhile but someone eventually figured out how to get it to run at 60FPS, and I'm fairly certain X and XI use a similar enough engine (Don't quote me on this).
Your numbers are wrong. Standard SDTVs in NTSC were 60Hz, and PAL was 50Hz. 30FPS (25 for PAL) wasn't due to TV limitations, but whenever devs couldn't get a game to run at 60FPS (Or 50FPS for PAL) since it would avoid screen-tearing from outputting a framerate that wasn't integer to refresh.
Vanilla Deus Ex without a 60FPS cap goes into hyperspeed once you go above 60. Pre-Steam CS1.6 and other Valve games from the pre-Steam era also suffer from this issue. Likewise Morrowind (Which released after FFX) starts to go hyperspeed above 60 as well (...And Betashed still hasn't gotten around to fixing that, beyond putting a 72FPS cap on Fallout 4). Among a variety of other PC games from that time - Many of which have been fixed with mods later down the line (Or in the case of Valve's games, patched), mind.
The framerate cap here is just a reality of what game development was like in 2001. The community will probably find a way to fix it if it's possible in this case though. Final Fantasy XI was capped to 30FPS for awhile but someone eventually figured out how to get it to run at 60FPS, and I'm fairly certain X and XI use a similar enough engine (Don't quote me on this).
Your numbers are wrong. Standard SDTVs in NTSC were 60Hz, and PAL was 50Hz. 30FPS (25 for PAL) wasn't due to TV limitations, but whenever devs couldn't get a game to run at 60FPS (Or 50FPS for PAL) since it would avoid screen-tearing from outputting a framerate that wasn't integer to refresh.
Trying to get NVidia DSR to work here, and running into a stumbling block. I've got the higher res multipliers unlocked in the NVidia Control Panel, they show up in both the launcher for FFX/X-2 and in-game, but when I switch to them I get that actual resolution, not downsampled to desktop res. I'm obviously missing a step here but for the life of me can't figure it out.
try setting gpu scaling instead of display
If I understood you correctly, some people were sugesting disabling DPI scaling in the game .exe properties.
I'll give that a shot when I get home. Work. Ugh.
Slackbladder
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Yeah, DSR doesn't work and I can't change from display to GPU. I assume it's because I'm going through an a/v receiver to my tv. Looks like I'm sticking to 1080p.
Gentleman Jack
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Getting obnoxious stuttering during FMV, which desyncs the audio. 980Ti, borderless windowed mode.
blackMamba1187
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Updated list of pc performance threads. Now to buy this for the umpteenth time.
brotkasten
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I'm downloading it on my Surface Pro 4 (i5 version with 520 GPU). I'm really curious to see how it runs, considering the recommend specs.
Kenzodielocke
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You like FFX? Never would've thought.
brotkasten
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Of course I do. It's one of my favorite Final Fantasy games. I've played through it 4 or 5 times over the years and I still love it.
Risk Breaker
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Looks like a good port, on par with PS4 right? Except dual audio?
And seriously guys, 30 FPS is completely fine in a turn based JRPG. It's never an issue in this game. And if you're playing a PS2 game for the visuals, well...
And seriously guys, 30 FPS is completely fine in a turn based JRPG. It's never an issue in this game. And if you're playing a PS2 game for the visuals, well...
brotkasten
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I'll try this on my HTPC tomorrow. It barely meets the minimum specs (C2D E4300 @2.7 GHz and with the HD5450, it might even be below the minimum spec).
Should be interesting.
LabouredSubterfuge
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Wait how do I get to this menu in FFX?
Angel Abaddon
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Wait how do I get to this menu in FFX?
Escape on keyboard. There's no way to access it just with gamepad
LabouredSubterfuge
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Merci.
Kwansu Dudes
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this has the frameskip bonus doesnt it?
Welcome to 2001.
It's clearly SSAO (pretty artifact-y SSAO too).
Disable high DPI scaling and see if that fixes it.
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I tried it and it works fine, but I don't care enough to rebind that button to one of the extras. I'm right at my pc, I can hit escape for the rare instance I need it.