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Final Fantasy XII PS2 Original vs. The Zodiac Age Remaster Graphics Comparison
- Thread starter Nachtfalke
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What visual effects are you talking about in KH? Particle effects perhaps? I do agree those are the best in the industry, and given the PS2's weird GPU it could easily screw up the effect.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
sadly true, and that it's another reason to not buy this, because could and should be another free "mod"
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I understand your point but that would be sort of impossible without a complete overhaul of how the PS2 emulator on PSN works, they can only put up PS2 versions of the game with minor enhancements like resolution boosts, they're essentially PS2 ISO dumps running on an emulator.
This is a remaster with more options like multiple languages, multiple sound track choices, refined controls/game mechanics and job systems. We've seen remasters put out with less effort (God of War 3 for example) at the same price. It would require a lot of work to retroactively put this stuff back into an original PS2 ISO dump and would make for a much less attractive release.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
even more sad. i hope people that buy this "cheap" remasters also give money for things like Falskaar and Enderal ):
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You're comparing an independent PC mod with a re-release of a PS2 game on a console 2 generations ahead though, not the same thing, not even close.
Prime crotch
Banned
Why? A mod of what? FF12 wasn't moddable in the least.
Jawbreaker
Member
Wow, that's a pretty nice step up from the emulated game.
For a minute, I'll ignore all the other nonsense you have been spewing.
But just so you know, both this and X HD versions have actually been fully ported over to their respective systems. Other HD releases usually work around the original code and so are rarely modified with new gameplay elements.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
could be the same thing, if you know what i mean
No, I don't. lol, the game never had a PC release to begin with so there was never going to be an HD texture pack or any kind of content modification to begin with, it literally could not be the same thing in this case.
I notice when they do a full-screen before/after, they first zoom in on the PS2 version to match the character dimensions of the PS4 version... or would it not matter if they were running PS2 version in 16/9 mode?
Jump to 2:20 and you will see what I mean
It's like you see less in PS4 version than you did in PS2 version.
Edit: At the end they do cutscene side-by-side and more is chopped off the bottom of PS4 version for some reason.
It's not a big deal... just wondering why.
Jump to 2:20 and you will see what I mean
It's like you see less in PS4 version than you did in PS2 version.
Edit: At the end they do cutscene side-by-side and more is chopped off the bottom of PS4 version for some reason.
It's not a big deal... just wondering why.
Dragon1893
Member
Looking great.
I remember being blown away when I played it on PCSX2.
Good to see NPCs always using the highest LOD level.
Some noticeable improvements in ground textures as well going by those pics.
I remember being blown away when I played it on PCSX2.
Good to see NPCs always using the highest LOD level.
Some noticeable improvements in ground textures as well going by those pics.
Modders do things for free because they can, and because they enjoy doing it, there is no could or should. Your taking away and minimising the efforts and rights of others. People have a right to do what they want with what they create, whether its giving it away or charging for it.
This remaster took no small amount of effort and money to make. There's a fine line between doing to much or to little. This seems to tread that line pretty well so far. There not just throwing this out with minimal effort like some other remasters.
I have no idea what you're talking about and I'm not sure anyone else does, either. You want this port to be a free mod for the PS2? For the PS4? For PC...? What...?could be the same thing, if you know what i mean
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
you don't yet pointed the solution. a pc release is the best answer, like for every FF. but sure they will get as much coins as they can with this remaster before a steam release. and wut? HD texture pack is possible on emulators
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Was the PS2 version really that jaggy?
So what you mean by "free mod" is your chance to pirate the PC release?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
ports are a shame, yet they did for every other main FF. look who is uninformed...
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
True. I guess if they had put out the FFX remaster earlier during PS3's life, would have given them enough time to put this out there as well. FFX remaster's success must've caught them off guard but it was also getting way too late for another PS3 title at that point.
Only thing that makes me sorta sour in this case is that this isn't 60 FPS.
Good old 480i breh. Didn't even do progressive scan IIRC.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
lol are you saying that only pirated games can be modded??
Just take the L, man. You're not making any sense. Please explain how you want square to deliver this game that's not available on anything but ps2.
Twilight Princess
Member
I'd love a complete remake, the animation and special effects are super dated now.
I kind of expected a bigger delta with the original game.
It's still a fucking gorgeous game although the early areas were always blocky so maybe not the best places to make a comparison I feel.
And did I miss the PC release of FFXII or something?
Why is anyone talking about mods?
Did we get the same talk about how pc mods where better and games should be free when they showed tLoU remaster?
It's still a fucking gorgeous game although the early areas were always blocky so maybe not the best places to make a comparison I feel.
And did I miss the PC release of FFXII or something?
Why is anyone talking about mods?
Did we get the same talk about how pc mods where better and games should be free when they showed tLoU remaster?
You're being unclear because there's something you don't want to say here.lol are you saying that only pirated games can be modded??
The game is being ported, there is an amount of effort going into it and the publisher intends to distribute the game in physical PS4 copies. You are saying that the remaster is not worth buying, and should be a "free mod".
But a free mod of what? There is no PC version of TZA currently.
You are simultaneously port begging and also considering it a waste of money to pay for a remaster, suggesting that the remaster and an independent PC mod "could be the same thing, if you know what i mean
".The PS2 version ultimately still used compressed version of their original assets. The remaster is going to be using assets that could not be obtained from ripping the PS2 game. So how could an independent PC mod be the same thing as the PS4 remaster?
Prime crotch
Banned
So what's up with this ghosting/aura effect here? I've seen bits of it in recent trailers as well.
I think that was always in the game's cutscenes.
FlutterPuffs
Member
You also get a new orchestra arrangement of the BGM, alterations to the gameplay and job system.
It's not a simple graphical upgrade.
TurnipFritters
Member
I really like what they did with his face.
Now, if only they would change his outfit.
His outfit is very empowering though?
Real talk though: Balthier is the only party member who doesn't dress ridiculously.
FlutterPuffs
Member
or maybe in Ivalice, he's the one with bad fashion sense.
Risk Breaker
Member
I don't think so, it's not AO but actual shadows. The shadows on the main character and NPCs are also better during gameplay.
Better textures, and shadows, and higher LODs, and higher framerate for NPC animations, and better draw distance, and more details, and better OST and higher quality voice overs.
You're being unclear because there's something you don't want to say here.
The game is being ported, there is an amount of effort going into it and the publisher intends to distribute the game in physical PS4 copies. You are saying that the remaster is not worth buying, and should be a "free mod".
But a free mod of what? There is no PC version of TZA currently.
You are simultaneously port begging and also considering it a waste of money to pay for a remaster, suggesting that the remaster and an independent PC mod "could be the same thing, if you know what i mean
The PS2 version ultimately still used compressed version of their original assets. The remaster is going to be using assets that could not be obtained from ripping the PS2 game. So how could an independent PC mod be the same thing as the PS4 remaster?
It makes even less sense because TZA is not even available anywhere but in Japan to begin with.
There is nothing but a Japan only version of the game being remastered (and an international inferior version).
These are still ps2 games that you cannot be legally played on anything but ps2 and early ps3 (if you ask Sony at least).
I doubt it's possible to apply a patch on the ps3 to make the Japan only TZA similar to this version.
Like are we going to legitimately argue that games shouldn't be bought because there's a Japan only version that you can only play with unsupported means available?
For the record, FFXII international Zodiac Job system is at least 60bucks now.
The remaster is actually cheaper.
FlutterPuffs
Member
It's AO. They stated it's one of the graphical updates the game is getting.
SE had a lot going on in those days too... those were crazy times. We will likely never see that hinted-at FFX-3.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Really not a fan of the ghosting though. Was hoping it wasnt in the game.
Dice//
Banned
I honestly wish they would add more bloom.
I love how FF12's world looks, but I really feel it's a nice to hide some of the ugly with graphics by creating more atmosphere to it.
Wind Waker arguably didn't need it, but it definitely adds more drama and colour to the scene that a more realistic game like FF12 could have benefit from.
I love how FF12's world looks, but I really feel it's a nice to hide some of the ugly with graphics by creating more atmosphere to it.
Wind Waker arguably didn't need it, but it definitely adds more drama and colour to the scene that a more realistic game like FF12 could have benefit from.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
People calling out Vaan when that elf woman is an even worse offender.
You're being unclear because there's something you don't want to say here.
The game is being ported, there is an amount of effort going into it and the publisher intends to distribute the game in physical PS4 copies. You are saying that the remaster is not worth buying, and should be a "free mod".
But a free mod of what? There is no PC version of TZA currently.
You are simultaneously port begging and also considering it a waste of money to pay for a remaster, suggesting that the remaster and an independent PC mod "could be the same thing, if you know what i mean
The PS2 version ultimately still used compressed version of their original assets. The remaster is going to be using assets that could not be obtained from ripping the PS2 game. So how could an independent PC mod be the same thing as the PS4 remaster?
And there it is.
I mean, if this remaster is of the level of free mods, can't that be said about just about every remaster we've seen? RE4 and it's 10,000 remasters would like to weigh in.
They should have made a free mod for the original ps2 game to be played only on emulators for pc. It makes so much sense, i might cancel my preorder now.
I... don't think that's exactly a bad thing, really. Probably for the best.
Well to be fair they're selling that old game for more than the new remaster...
The Last One
Member
This isn't the whole picture. The game has new features not only from the IZE but new ones exclusive to this release.
And that's not even talking about the improved audio and CGs quality .
Prime crotch
Banned
I could be wrong but it doesn't look out of place for me, and I spent 100 hours on FF12, so there's something familiar about it.
I'm disappointed in many of the big area encompassing ground textures. Some of them look really bad with the upscale+sharpening filter algorithm. Those are textures that you see a lot so would it not be a worthwhile undertaking to redraw them from the scratch? I understand doing the algorithm thing to smaller and more situational textures but I think they should redo those massive ground textures. I like them more in the emulator shots tbh.