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Final Fantasy XIII Information Thread | March 9, 2010 NA/EU
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Kagari said:
I thought he was kidding like those "nintendo is going 3rd party" posts that pop up now and then.
Still enough with the console wars just get it for whatever system you want and appreciate that SE put enough effort in both of the damn things to not end up with some of the lousy ports we seen all throughout this gen.
Gameplay choices aside(I am still bitter about the linearity and no towns aspect of the game) I for one is hyped that the thing is finally being released because other than an mmo and verses it looks like it will be awhile until SE decide to release another FF for consoles.
PSGames said:
Okay, I'm officially baffled here. I think I'll just leave this topic be since it seems more about system preference than any conveniences or enhancements the game may provide based on platform.
Also, for my part, I am done discussing this.
Putting it back on track by saying: I cannot bloody wait for this and regardless of platform, the game will be magical. Moving on...
Arpharmd B
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Can someone explain the difference lossless audio makes versus compressed?
Cause I only have a 360 and a Blu Ray player, and I just got a 5.1 system that sounds insanely good with every game and movie I play.
Cause I only have a 360 and a Blu Ray player, and I just got a 5.1 system that sounds insanely good with every game and movie I play.
gamergirly
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Wow. These 360 vs PS3 "imaginings" is ridiculous. Do you honestly give a cat's ass if the audio is a little better on one system or one has more discs than the other? There wont be a significant enough difference to make the case for either system so why can't we just talk about the actual game.....
Arpharmd B
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jett said:Obviously even more "insanely good" sound quality.
I get ya but I'm asking for a serious answer. Like, ok, with graphics I have something quantifiable to go by. I can see the difference in image quality, the difference in framerate, or the difference in AA. It's plain to see.
Put this into terms I can understand. Is the sound more crisp? Louder, more sounds, cleaner sound? I can't hear a bit of distortion in the music or sound effects of 360 games that's why I'd like to have someone truly explain to me the difference my ears will be hearing.
I mean for example I rent 1080p movies off the marketplace (downloads not streams) and I watch Blu Rays and for the life of me I can't tell a single difference be it in the sound department or visuals :/ And I'm not the typical retard who can't spot differences between 60 and 30 fps, I have a serious eye for visuals so someone teach me how I can have an ear for audio, and what differences I should expect to hear.
Synless
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Jtyettis said:No.
Totally weird I haven't seen either version at the local retailers.
Yes.
Q: Didn't the simultaneous development on both the PS3 and the XBOX360 cause difficulties?
KITASE: We have made it our top priority to deliver the same quality on both consoles. It was self-evident that it brought some difficulties with it. Both consoles require a different approach. Especially on the graphics section. We had to build a different engine for both versions. We needed a year of tinkering on each engine in order to get the same level of graphics.
Edit* fuck I didn't realize there were scans included. Ready for my ban
Cornbread78
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ROFL
5 weeks.... 2 days before my B-Day and several long years since FF-XII. I can't wait either way and I'll be playing it hard,I just have to hurry up and play though WKC....
ROFL
5 weeks.... 2 days before my B-Day and several long years since FF-XII. I can't wait either way and I'll be playing it hard,I just have to hurry up and play though WKC....
Arpharmd B said:
Well in the case of several PS3 games lossless audio means LPCM 7.1(FFXIII btw is "only" 5.1), which means two extra channels obviously. Audio is also much clearer and cleaner. You'll need a new receiver to take advantage of this, and high quality speakers will make a big difference. This is just how the audio signal is carried, seperate from this is the quality of the sound samples within the blu-ray disc itself. BD having much more storage than a DVD, developers can allocate more space to sound. Among multiplatform games I imagine the difference is minimal as the 360 version is almost always the lead one, shit devs are so fucking lazy most of the time they don't even bother to recompress their FMV for the PS3, they just use the same files the 360 version has.
If you can't tell the difference between an online video and blu-rays there may be no hope for you though.
Then again it might be due to your receiver not supporting lossless audio.badcrumble
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Do you think the 360 version will have 1080p FMV?Dra-Q said:
Arpharmd B
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jett said:Well in the case of several PS3 games lossless audio means LPCM 7.1(FFXIII btw is "only" 5.1), which means two extra channels obviously. Audio is also much clearer and cleaner. You'll need a new receiver to take advantage of this, and high quality speakers will make a big difference. This is just how the audio signal is carried, seperate from this is the quality of the sound samples within the blu-ray disc itself. BD having much more storage than a DVD, developers can allocate more space to sound. Among multiplatform games I imagine the difference is minimal as the 360 version is almost always the lead one, shit devs are so fucking lazy most of the time they don't even bother to recompress their FMV for the PS3, they just use the same files the 360 version has.
If you can't tell the difference between an online video and blu-rays there may be no hope for you though.
My setup is a 5.1 surround, 5 speakers (subwoofer would make it 6) so I wouldn't be able to take advantage of 7.1 lossless anyway?
Cornbread78
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Jtyettis said:No.
Totally weird I haven't seen either version at the local retailers.
= jtyettis ---> PWND :lol
Cornbread78
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You were vindicated, no worries...
Probably, but who knows. It does state in his response that they used seperate engines though, so it was pretty damning...
Arpharmd B
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Zoe said:
Gotcha. Thanks for the education.
jett said:
Ok, thanks for the heads up.
One last clarification. You said Final Fantasy XIII is only 5.1 lossless? So therefor my system would make the most out of the sound? This is the only thing I'm still confused on. What would I expect to hear? Clearer than already clear samples and sound effects?
Also again, I have Blu Rays and I rented Inglorious Basterds. The download came in at like 10 gigs, and I was hard pressed to see or hear any differences. Again, this was not a stream but a full download, 1080p film. Then again, I didn't have Blu Ray version side by side or anything like that. All I know is it looked and sounded great.
Seda said:
That's only for blu-ray. Most PS3 games, especially Japanese ones do not support either. They output using LPCM. Although, any receiver which supports TrueHD or DTS-HDMA would most definitely also support LPCM. If your receiver supports LPCM multichannel, but not Dolby TrueHD or DTS HDMA, but you are using your PS3 as a blu-ray player, then the PS3 can decode both formats and output through LPCM anyway. So your receiver doesn't have to support those formats natively.
Cornbread78
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I reccommend using a direct channel with a fiber optic cord from the PS3 to your receiver, it does make a big difference in sound quality. Does the 360 us FO cord as well?
Arpharmd B
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jett said:
Wow well then for me this is a niche feature that is completely irrelevant to my gaming setup. Thanks for clearing this up.
As long as the visuals are indeed on par, then it comes down to 1080p video versus 720p (I don't give two fucks about controllers or disc changing).
I'm just putting this all into perspective for myself as a single console owner. Had the differences been as vast as say, Bayonetta I'd have purchased a PS3 specifically for this game.
Cornbread78
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I run the audio directly from the PS3 to my receiver, I bypass and turn off my TV sound since I play with headphones most of the time. The sound comes through much better that way.
WickedLaharl
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well i'm buying the 360 version no matter what because i love earning me some achievements! there, i said it! let the truth be known
that i'll also be getting the ps3 version as well. teehee.
Cornbread78 said:
I don't know what you're talking about. No one with a home theatre set up uses "TV sound" ever. The HDMI goes into the receiver, and the receiver controls the output to everything else (TV, speakers, etc). The only way to output LPCM multichannel, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HDMA is via HDMI. It cannot be done via an optical cable. There just isn't the bandwidth for it.
RPGCrazied
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still waiting on an CE announcement Square-Enix!
What are you guys waiting for?
What are you guys waiting for?
Cornbread78
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I don't know what you're talking about. No one with a home theatre set up uses "TV sound" ever. The HDMI goes into the receiver, and the receiver controls the output to everything else (TV, speakers, etc). The only way to output LPCM multichannel, Dolby TrueHD and DTS HDMA is via HDMI. It cannot be done via an optical cable. There just isn't the bandwidth for it.
Sorry a little slow, I need another Mt. Dew... I'm using an older receiver, so I can't do it that way, so I'll adjust my statement to read: If your using a Dolby Digital 5.1 receiver without all teh bells and whistles, I recommend using the FO cord port directly to your receiver. my bad: (
RPGCrazied
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But why? Just because they didn't get a Final Fantasy 12 CE?
Hey lets screw over the NA now! No CE for you! Thats dumb.. Isn't FF series sell more here? Oh well.
Hey lets screw over the NA now! No CE for you! Thats dumb.. Isn't FF series sell more here? Oh well.
RPGCrazied said:
Square Europe has been consistently giving consumers limited editions of games like FFXIII, Crisis Core, Dissidia Final Fantasy, Star Ocean 4... while the US didn't get anything comparable.
Special editions in the US are becoming a joke and retailers don't want to carry them because they more often than not lose money on them, especially if they sit on the shelf forever.
RPGCrazied
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But can't they just give us a steelcase?
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