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Final Fantasy XIV Information Thread | PC Open Beta... yeah it's not really open.
- Thread starter Kagari
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Not to excuse SE for being coy on the whole thing, but I wonder when will people stop freaking out on speculations. Voicing concerns over what it may be is one thing, but spreading misinformation as fact is another. Maybe surplus ties into something that they aren't ready to reveal yet? Anyway, not sure what SE is thinking, because bad publicity from rumors is really the last thing they'd need right before the release.
It should be a lesson for them to start talking to the community more. When you have a group of people as large as internet, you have to realize that misinformation its going to be spread if you don't step up and clarify.Zalasta said:
All they really have to do is put out an article to the fan sites saying "this is how it works" and let people take that info into open beta to see for themselves.
I don't really care how irritated tanaka is about the misinformation. Then his next 20 tweets need to explain this shit to us so we can move on to bitch about something else.
outlawedprod
Member
From the web pages reporting this it sounds like the fatigue takes you to zero eventually so your class and physical level don't go up anymore. The JP famitsu interview that was translated seems to show them passing this off as a positive thing so you can level other classes. All this means to me is they have no endgame and this is their current plan to keep people playing.
Believe what? He STILL hasn't explained it. All we can do is speculate. If he wants everybody to stop spreading misinformation(if that's what it is), all he has to do it tell us how it works. That's what, I dunno, any competent developer would have done a long time ago? Otherwise, people will continue to guess what the mechanics are on their own.Londa said:
The fact that he still won't comment on it, tells me the system was closer to what is being speculated then you think.
outlawedprod
Member
http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/11248-famitsu-gamewatch-gamescom-interview/
F: Tell why you decided to implement Fatigue and Latency (note: I really don't know how to translate that, but it's something in-game to keep you from playing too long at a time on one class).
DK: We'd like you to think of it as a reward to those players who don't have much time to commit to the game. Those hardcore players out there might think it's a little unfair, but the main concept behind it is that you don't need to put in massive amounts of time to enjoy the game.
F: Still though, there are a lot of disgruntled looks coming from those hardcore gamers.
DK: For those who have more time on their hands, they'll be able to try out all the various classes. Fatigue doesn't carry over when you change weapons, so we hope that they'll try out not just battle-oriented classes but maybe some crafting or gathering ones as well. So for those who end up with many high-level classes, they'll have more choices when it comes to any situation, whether solo or party play.
* Breaking News*
*Clearly their market research shows the global market likes mouse control ! *
F: So mouse control was a pretty big deal to users overseas?
PT: I would say about 90% of the feedback we got about things people wanted to see in the game was related to the mouse.
DK: If you look at it globally, there was more feedback about that than anything else.
F: Tell why you decided to implement Fatigue and Latency (note: I really don't know how to translate that, but it's something in-game to keep you from playing too long at a time on one class).
DK: We'd like you to think of it as a reward to those players who don't have much time to commit to the game. Those hardcore players out there might think it's a little unfair, but the main concept behind it is that you don't need to put in massive amounts of time to enjoy the game.
F: Still though, there are a lot of disgruntled looks coming from those hardcore gamers.
DK: For those who have more time on their hands, they'll be able to try out all the various classes. Fatigue doesn't carry over when you change weapons, so we hope that they'll try out not just battle-oriented classes but maybe some crafting or gathering ones as well. So for those who end up with many high-level classes, they'll have more choices when it comes to any situation, whether solo or party play.
* Breaking News*
*Clearly their market research shows the global market likes mouse control ! *
F: So mouse control was a pretty big deal to users overseas?
PT: I would say about 90% of the feedback we got about things people wanted to see in the game was related to the mouse.
DK: If you look at it globally, there was more feedback about that than anything else.
RuGalz said:
This is my problem with FFXIV. I got in the alpha and went in expecting that they were aware that World of Warcraft existed; that more is expected from MMOs; that variety has become key; and that there are dozens of free-to-play offerings that offer the same grind-focussed gameplay of FFXI.
Instead I basically found FFXI with an HD skin (which is exactly what they said they weren't going to do). Now, I know that there are changes (the leve system, the ability to solo effectively) but overall there still isn't any content that amounts to more than killing beasties. Even some features from FFXI are still missing in the beta - auction houses, mog houses, etc, one month out from release - so even if they are in the final game they will be hideously untested.
Ultimately we got FFXI with an expansion and a year of suffering Japanese people to make it a better game than what it launched as. But FFXIV is coming in a sorrier state than FFXI and with 7-8 years of MMO evolution to point out its weaknesses.
/rant
That being said, the world is still incredibly beautiful and makes me want to play just to explore its no-doubt devoid of content expanses.
thefil said:
You answered it yourself. You got into Alpha. MMO's will become totally differen't after a year or two of release. My suggestion is to not expect much from a new MMO (WoW didn't come out with millions of subscribers) and maybe wait a year or two and see if it is a game you want to play.
I know I'm playing it regardless so I can deal with the glitches and stuff not already there (aka no Auction house at release, but it will be introduced later).
Mister Zimbu
Member
Londa said:
My obligatory bullets:
- Yes, he got into alpha. The game is still alpha-quality. The game will release at alpha-quality. If you're expecting a complete overhaul of usability and game mechanics at this point you're hopelessly naive. (Of course I already know from my experiences in the beta thread with you that that's true). We might get some minor usability tweaks like getting rid of the UI lag and all that, but the game mechanics and general UI are all in all going to be the same.
- WoW was released and had a huge number. Probably not "millions", but it grew incredibly quickly.
- WoW released in a hell of a lot more polished state than this game will.
- I predict this game, a year after release, will finally have the bare minimum requirements needed to "fix" the game and make it even worth considering buying, after SE starts listening to the customers (well, the Japanese ones), and stops being so stubborn with their completely insane design decisions.
- Unfortunately, by then, Cataclysm will already have been released, and will be released with more simple (and actually explained) mechanics, better usability, better support, better balance, less repetitiveness, less grinding and generally stupid shit, and be more polished than this game ever will in its lifetime. Also I won't have to hearth during a raid then run back to the instance to get my MP back.
- This game is incredibly disappointing. I was really looking forward to it, but it's just terrible and I don't see that changing in the near future. Sucks that SE is so stubborn about everything and doesn't have a clue.
Freyjadour
Member
thefil said:
I don't know if I agree with everything but I"ll put my stamp of approval. It's definitely a step somewhere from XI, but I don't really know if it's forward or a step into the fifth dimension of "what the flying fuck were you thinking".
Wasn't impressed by Alpha, was astonished that SE actually made major changes based on feedback in Beta, and now am reading about systems that sound terrible from every perspective. Meanwhile the game ships less than a month from now.
No thank you.
Further, Someone else posted that basically, for 8 hrs on each job each week, you get normal, 100% experience, and after that, your experience on each job after 8hrs gradually goes down to 0 experience gained.
Here is the original post: http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4058546#post4058546
Of course, with all the rumors, there is a chance this is false, we should know on the english beta site soon enough, but many people in the post seem to confirm it.
I'm really not surprised that they implemented this system and think it is a good idea. Glad I haven't preorded. :|
Mister Zimbu said:
I guess you didn't see me say
I do disagree with this:
Also:
Good on them. I want people that want to play Cataclysm to play Cataclysm. SE has said about three times in three different interviews that they are not trying to take WoW's player base. But I see people continue to say "Well if they want to steal people from WoW, they have to do x, y, and z".
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That is someone not SE dev, so I really wouldn't believe everything being said about the system unless there is 100% proof with screen shots and clear (nothing made up)explanation, or a dev offically saying that is how surplus works.
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Will only be creditable if this post is also on the NA site. Or there is a screenshot of the dev's post straight off the JP beta tester's site.
Mister Zimbu
Member
Khrno said:
Whoops. Edited.
Londa said:
Good point. I thought a year was kind of optimistic myself.
Mister Zimbu
Member
Londa said:
This isn't the FF14 cognitive dissonance fanwank thread. I can say anything I like about the game, good or bad, in this thread as I wish.
I'd love SE to prove me wrong. Like I've said many times before, I, and probably most of the detractors in this thread, had high expectations for this game, and are incredibly disappointed in the state that it will release in.
Mister Zimbu
Member
Londa said:
Complete mechanics overhauls don't happen in a matter of weeks. Programming is hard. RPG design is hard.
falastini said:
This is the supposed post in the JP site:
http://minus-k.com/nejitsu/loader/up63060.jpg
It's pretty long. I hope someone can translate that.
edit: how come people are saying it isn't on the NA and EU sites? Why didn't SE post it there too?
That is why they work with differen't builds/versions of the game. Just like Alpha was a differen't version than Beta 1 and Beta 1 was a differen't version of Beta2 and 3. Open Beta will not be Beta 3 version with the added areas. Open Beta is the fourth version of the game while Beta 3 was the third version. Retail in the fifth and final version where the version update will be only added to this version.
edit: how come people are saying it isn't on the NA and EU sites? Why didn't SE post it there too?
That is why they work with differen't builds/versions of the game. Just like Alpha was a differen't version than Beta 1 and Beta 1 was a differen't version of Beta2 and 3. Open Beta will not be Beta 3 version with the added areas. Open Beta is the fourth version of the game while Beta 3 was the third version. Retail in the fifth and final version where the version update will be only added to this version.
Salaadin said:
Basically it's 8 hours per week @100% Skill increase, then dwindling to 0
in 10% increments during the following 7 hours. However, this is class-specific.
So playing another class will give you a fresh 100% start for that class for 8 hours.
As physical level is shared between classes, however, after 8 hours/week it's
down the road no matter what.
And SE seems pretty adamant about that.
posted on various sites... assuming that screenshot backs it up
Londa said:
Its cute that you still believe them. I mean, if they aren't after some of WoW's userbase, then why make XIV more "casual friendly"? Do you magically think that the five years of development time using a brand new engine for HD systems with hopes of a worldwise launch cost the same as FFXI did?
I wonder if you will ever see this going by SE's history. I still remember that hilarious AV video they put out for "How to beat Absolute Virtue." :lol
Kintaro said:
Maybe because they are going after their own Final Fantasy fan base?
They have something up to 5M (FFXIII) or more (if looking at other FF games) potential players out there that thought XI was either to hard or not accessible for them.
Why do you assume they have to target WoW's user base then they have a big potential user base for their own series? The last they expect to see is someone over their 20s that has never played a FF game before to get this game and be their first FF game.
Salaadin said:
That translation is not confirmed, so we don't know if that's really what the post says.
Londa said:
Once again, its cute you take them at face value. All MMOs compete against each other. They are after the same audience: MMO players. They all compete for time.
If Final Fantasy fans wanted to try a Final Fantasy MMO, they could have tried XI that's been out for close to 7 years in the US. Now, they're going to try it when it's required to have a somewhat decent PC and not due out on a console for another six+ months? Yeah, okay.
They may not want to compete with WoW or any other MMO, but they are. Besides, in 2010, who hasn't played some sort of MMO? Even facebook games could be considered MMOs.
And after playing this, nothing XIV is doing is going to change this opinion. Plus, come on. This is like saying "They have something up to a kabillion people who have read or watched Lord of the Rings, they don't have to compete with WoW..." Uh, yeah they do. Just like The Old Republic will.
Because WoW is the de facto standard of monthly paid MMORPGs. Every other MMO is compared to it in some way or another. To achieve a big potential user base, they have to compete with WoW. Either in customer base or mindshare. It's like the FPS and Call of Duty. At the very least, you're competing with it in mindshare. Denying that is just paying lip service. Believing it is just plain foolish.
For everyone saying this game shouldn't be just like WoW, I definitely agree. However, developers should be aware of what exists inside their field of work and learn from it. I don't think FFXIV should be anything like WoW (in fact, I think WoW is sort of as far as any game should go in the direction it does) but with regards to things like character progression, content concentration, general playability etc, I feel like just rebuilding the pseudo-Everquest of 2002 doesn't cut it.
If they were really going for the Final Fantasy fanbase I honestly believe they would do something that better reflected the series than repeatedly bashing enemies on your own to increase your level.
If they were really going for the Final Fantasy fanbase I honestly believe they would do something that better reflected the series than repeatedly bashing enemies on your own to increase your level.
Londa said:
Then the JP called him out on his own bullshit. :lol No, I read the tweet well. Why is he using twitter instead of, oh, I don't know, his own game's official site anyways? Why not take a moment, listen to the feedback (crazy, I know) and explain things himself to clear the air? Surely that would be easier than...anything else they have done at this point.
Nah, too much sense.
thefil said:
Pretty much this.
Mister Zimbu
Member
thefil said:
This is what we've been saying all along. But according to Londa and Khrno and everyone else who will enjoy the game solely because it has the Final Fantasy name, that means "THE GAME MUST BE EXACTLY LIKE WOW".
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
That system seems fine to me, but then again if I thought FFXIV was going to make me its "no life" bitch that XI did for the first couple of years, I'd run screaming in the opposite direction!
The main issue for me is that I don't want to spend all my MMO time grinding levels, its a key part of the experience BUT I also like doing other stuff where my xp/hr rate isn't something I think about.
The bottom line is that they aren't stopping you from doing what you want, what they are doing is making it proportionately less advantageous to over-indulge. Personally I think that's smart design and remarkably ethical of them, because lets face it, for people with obsessive compulsive personality traits MMO's can be damaging.
The main issue for me is that I don't want to spend all my MMO time grinding levels, its a key part of the experience BUT I also like doing other stuff where my xp/hr rate isn't something I think about.
The bottom line is that they aren't stopping you from doing what you want, what they are doing is making it proportionately less advantageous to over-indulge. Personally I think that's smart design and remarkably ethical of them, because lets face it, for people with obsessive compulsive personality traits MMO's can be damaging.
Tokyo Rain
Member
Kintaro said:
I lol'd.
Clear said:
While thats true and all, if someone can afford a crazy MMO ridden life, then so be it. Its not our business and its not SEs. If you want 60-75 bucks for a game and then 15.00/month, let people play the job for however long they want without anything to stop them other than a level cap.
Zomba13
Member
If true then fuck FFXIV. Seriously. That means I can play 15 hours a week on a class right? Some days (say a saturday or lazy sunday) I'm going to be playing for a good few hours, listening to music while leveling or half watching a tv programme half leveling on easyish mobs like I did in FFXI. This way I can play for 2 hours a day, and thats if I don't mind getting less and less exp as time goes on. I completely understand you will most likely need to level up other classes to use their skills on other classes, like the Thaum's MP spikes thing that give you mp back when you are hit, or cure from Conj. I plan on doing this, but I also wanted to be able to grind my class when I want to without stupid restrictions.falastini said:
SE better get rid of this shitty system. It rewards no one and punishes everyone and from what I've seen 99% of the Beta players and people generally interested in FFXIV think it's a stupid idea. The 1% that like it are the SE fanboys that lap up anything SE throws at them.
Ploid 3.0
Member
Kintaro said:
I hated being in some sound proof dome where the devs wouldn't even hear the most vocal people. Well maybe Sage heard them but this mediator dude just didn't seem to care about anything. Nothing changed unless someone found a exploit. They changed exploits so fast. Done with JP MMOs especially square and it's "I can't hear you" act. I read about how blizzard talks to it's customers, and have a back and forward on their forums. That stuff sounded like magic (I was playing ffxi at the time. Only played wow for 2 days of my trial).