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When the game launches it will be ten years after the last 90+ rated mainline Final Fantasy.
A lot has changed in ten years.
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Final Fantasy XV interview: Tabata talks delays, Versus, fan expectation and more
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When the game launches it will be ten years after the last 90+ rated mainline Final Fantasy.
A lot has changed in ten years.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Also let's not forget
I remember some even getting mad cause he was cut.
At least Roberto Ferrari, the guy who probably designed him, won't forget him.
When FFXV finally releases, we can hopefully finally put all of this Versus XIII talk behind us.
I honestly can't understand how some of you can keep having the same conversations over and over and over again. About cut this or changed that. What could've , would've should've been, ad nauseam.
If you're not looking forward to XV in any sort of way, that's alright. Maybe wait for XVI, and see if that's more to your liking.
I honestly can't understand how some of you can keep having the same conversations over and over and over again. About cut this or changed that. What could've , would've should've been, ad nauseam.
If you're not looking forward to XV in any sort of way, that's alright. Maybe wait for XVI, and see if that's more to your liking.
Unfortunately, the history of the game won't be forgotten anytime soon, even after the game releases. Depending on the reception of current 15 when it launches however, will go a long way to contenting those who are concerned about the state of the game based on its development cycle
dragonzdogma
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Top 10 Things I will miss most about Versus
#10.Noctis butler/driver noctis ogy guy
#9.Young gangsta King Regis
#8.Insomnia being attacked and playable from the beginning .
#7.Mechas or magitek armors you could ride
#6.Fighting aremea on top of a jet ala bayonetta 2
#5.True Crimson red soles on shoes
#4.Interactive Backgrounds, like gas tanks that exploded
#3.Cool Blood Effects
#2. Switchable playable characters
#1. Meele combat Moves shown on the 2013 Trailer, head slams, suplex,kicks ect.
#10.Noctis butler/driver noctis ogy guy
#9.Young gangsta King Regis
#8.Insomnia being attacked and playable from the beginning .
#7.Mechas or magitek armors you could ride
#6.Fighting aremea on top of a jet ala bayonetta 2
#5.True Crimson red soles on shoes
#4.Interactive Backgrounds, like gas tanks that exploded
#3.Cool Blood Effects
#2. Switchable playable characters
#1. Meele combat Moves shown on the 2013 Trailer, head slams, suplex,kicks ect.
People still argue about Vaan being the protag of FF12 and what Matsuno had planned for Basch/how it would have been different. This discussion will never go away.
A lot definitely has changed. No doubt. And, just for the record, I'm not intending to change anyone's mind right now. Just locking in my prediction. I'm happy to defend the pick, but I'm not dogging others for not agreeing.
I say that so you don't think I'm just trying to be argumentative here. There hasn't been a FF game that reviewed over 90 in 10 years because they haven't released a top-quality product (at launch) in that length of time, either. XIII had it's issues, they're often exaggerated, but well documented. FFXIV was a huge mess when it came out and is an MMO to boot. Just makes it hard to compare as the MMO motif isn't for everyone.
But, reviewers aren't going to be focusing on bad AA or comparing the game to VS nearly as much as the general public (Edit: I mean the internet) does. They don't care about Mat Kishimoto's video game skills. They won't be bothered by a cringey youtube video of people pretending to warp-strike. They won't even care about the Platinum Demo. The professionals will give it a fair fight, and if you take the hyperbole out of it, there's a lot to love about the game, especially for the more casual gamers that don't go to internet forums all day.
Not to mention, this built-in, rabid fanbase. Say what you want about it, but we eat up EVERYTHING about this game. With FFVIIR and potentially FFXVI on the horizon, it'll be in the bigger publications' best interest to give the game the benefit of the doubt if it helps keep the franchise relevant.
FF15 is not a polished version of FF13 which carried on a legacy.
FF15 is right now, the most ambitious game ever made, certainly the most ambitious Japanese game ever made.
Final Fantasy 13...just isn't.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Man I remember I said this..inuhanyou I got murdered.. Murdered!!! Small portion of posters weren't having that.
"Whats ambitious about it!!"
*Shivers
Have you played Final Fantasy games? Each one is very different. Which FF is XV a "more polished and good looking" version of?
No, just no.
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Don't worry, I don't want to change your mind. If you want to think it will reach 90+, good luck. I was just pointing why I don't think it will. The bigger publications don't care about the future of the franchise, they care about clicks. Rabid fanbase + low scores = rage, which means a lot of clicks.
What are you people using these days? Seriously.
But its true. In terms of technical rendering, world size, all the side quests, all the different things you can do, all running at this fidelity.
FF15 is basically a(in terms of game design) a western AAA game in Final Fantasy shape, which by definition, destroys anything made by other Japanese developers today in terms of scope and scale.
They were being wrong.
Yabberwocky
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Great interview, thanks for the link, OP! Tabata always has interesting things to say.
Blondie had an extra evil Rufus Shinra thing going on, I was so curious who he was. Great design.
Rest in peace, Gladio's Hot Dad. May you and DILF!Regis be happy wherever great character design goes after it's been changed. DILF Heaven? Huh.
Also let's not forget
I remember some even getting mad cause he was cut.
Blondie had an extra evil Rufus Shinra thing going on, I was so curious who he was. Great design.
Rest in peace, Gladio's Hot Dad. May you and DILF!Regis be happy wherever great character design goes after it's been changed. DILF Heaven? Huh.
The only thing i will miss from VsXIII is the opening.
Insomia's invasion would have been one of the best in all of gaming, and XV's Chapter 0 is very bad at the moment. They should have started with the guys pushing the car and it would have been already much better
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The rest i'm fine, i can't wait for the game for what it is as of now.
Insomia's invasion would have been one of the best in all of gaming, and XV's Chapter 0 is very bad at the moment. They should have started with the guys pushing the car and it would have been already much better
and a coherent decision with Kingsglaive post credit scene
The rest i'm fine, i can't wait for the game for what it is as of now.
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My point is that reviews are harsher these days. Deus Ex HR was a very good game, and MD is probably, even a better game. And certainly is not your typical AAA bang-bang-shooty experience, which reviewers certainly got tired all these years.
Deus Ex MD, had pedigree, much nicer tech on his back and a more polished product overall, and yet got way less points than HR.
And lol at the "most ambitious game ever made" comment...woah.
I can tell the hype whiplash from this game is gonna be savage.
Heh, i'm not hyped at all, i just want it to not be a mishmash of concepts thrown together just to get something out there, held together by fetch quests and checklist conventional open world design in a Final Fantasy skin.
But even i can tell that what FF15 is doing in the AAA space is something no other Japanese developer could ever touch with their budgets or resources. The ambition is plain to see.
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I found out about this stuff in another thread today IIRC, and I think this one fits this thread perfectly:
ãInaba Residentã
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Its pretty ambitious but to say "the most ambitious game ever made" is pretty silly imo
schadenfraude.
we get it already
Hey I believe I will totally love the game. I love Episode Duscae that I put around 20 hours into it. I didn't like Platinum Demo at first but now I love it as well and I replay it at least once a month.
There are things that worry me in the final game but nothing so far to make me think it's going to be bad.
『Inaba Resident』;215665795 said:
I wasn't really referring to globally,more in terms of what can be done in Japan. SE has the production values, budget, and global resources that no other dev has for miles. Even Capcom is getting by on 3DS games after panty raid fell through and Namco Bandai are content to just give their teams scraps as long as the product is good enough.(like the tales games recently, even though i hear berseria is better than expected)
SE are putting all of their technological resources and know how into this game, that can't be matched by pretty much anyone else in the market today. Even though i think Persona 5 will be a better game quality wise and score much higher with critics, there's no denying the production value FF15 has over the competition in pretty much every aspect.
Top 10 Things I will miss most about Versus
#10.Noctis butler/driver noctis ogy guy
#9.Young gangsta King Regis
#8.Insomnia being attacked and playable from the beginning .
#7.Mechas or magitek armors you could ride
#6.Fighting aremea on top of a jet ala bayonetta 2
#5.True Crimson red soles on shoes
#4.Interactive Backgrounds, like gas tanks that exploded
#3.Cool Blood Effects
#2. Switchable playable characters
#1. Meele combat Moves shown on the 2013 Trailer, head slams, suplex,kicks ect.
I still don't understand how people can miss a game they never played.
They don't have to miss the game perse, it doesn't exist anymore. But the concepts introduced stick in people's minds and they grow to like them. So seeing nothing come of them obviously is sad for those people invested to varying degrees.
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People miss Agent and that game never even existed beyond a logo IIRC.
Sure, I love quite a few games that aren't popular. But some people are expecting too much of this game.
Sure, I love quite a few games that aren't popular. But some people are expecting too much of this game.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying to me to see people saying things were better when it was Versus... I mean, was it even a game? Was it even playable in the long-term? Everything they had shown seemed like it was literally the only thing they had actually developed so far. It looked cool but some of the stuff that people miss is just some extra Nomura fluff.
Some of the pre-Tabata stuff looked a lot more dynamic but it did seem like most of it was just to wow in the meantime without it actually being gameplay elements that would stick. Like the character switching and environmental interaction.
They lived with it in their minds for ten years. Saddled it with the baggage XIII couldn't carry.
It doesn't need to be turn based, but if it isn't it needs to have a good action system that brings in the whole party or it should just be turn based. The weight of impressions leave me thinking this not to be the case.
It is not that Final Fantasy was a bastion of good turn-based combat, but the combat was passable, stylish, and engaged the player with the characters. The last thing in particular is harder to pull off with action, especially in a user friendly, casual friendly system. Personally, I think the first thing is also harder to pull off.
As to Versus XIII...yeah 10 years ago I thought it looked cool on reveal. I don't get having a deeper connection to it than that tbh. I also don't think it nor XV look particularly cool now, though so maybe I'm just ungenerous.
It is not that Final Fantasy was a bastion of good turn-based combat, but the combat was passable, stylish, and engaged the player with the characters. The last thing in particular is harder to pull off with action, especially in a user friendly, casual friendly system. Personally, I think the first thing is also harder to pull off.
As to Versus XIII...yeah 10 years ago I thought it looked cool on reveal. I don't get having a deeper connection to it than that tbh. I also don't think it nor XV look particularly cool now, though so maybe I'm just ungenerous.
Because your imagination is the best game of all.
No you don't understand that guy drove Noctis around and called him a prince so good
It would be a lot more enjoyable in this thread without this kind of annoying postage. You keep getting told why people like the concepts from Versus yet act so affronted about it, like it really matters what those people think about it when its not affecting you.
We have more posts mocking those people than there are people in this thread even doing what your saying.
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And im guessing that count will still get going
MGS5 has neither of those and sits at 91 (PC), 93 (PS4), 95 (X1). I don't think FFXV will do it though. I think each part of the game, aside from performance, will be better than we all think it will, but not good enough for 90+. 83-86 is my guess.
MGS still has that good-will that FF definitely lost in the eyes of the reviewers with the Lightning-saga and the original XIV.
ArkhamFantasy
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Predicting the metacritic for XV is almost impossible. It's a new team, new combat system, new engine, and its the first time SE has taken a crack at a modern day open world.
It might be a 65, might be a 95, we have no idea. I would guess somewhere in the middle to be safe. Hell, we dont even know which platform reviewers are going to play it on, which might cause a 5-10 point swing by itself.
It might be a 65, might be a 95, we have no idea. I would guess somewhere in the middle to be safe. Hell, we dont even know which platform reviewers are going to play it on, which might cause a 5-10 point swing by itself.
Not only outsiders think this, trust me
FFXV fans remarking the constant drive-by shit-posts and GAF hate-boner on FFXV is basically part of every thread. It's undeniablely one of the most loved-to-be-derided games over here even for GAF standards of nitpicking anything to death - especially after the Platinum demo, the E3 Titan demo/trailer and recently because of the graphics complaints. I really don't care or follow any graphics discussion anymore, though. It's a waste of time at this point to argue for hours about these minuscule things if there's still 2-3 months of polishing left. The PS4 version from the just a few days newer Japanese build already looked much better than the gamescom one and looks nice enough for a console game of this scale and it's obvious they'll improve it even more in the next months (I don't care about the Xbone version that I won't ever play anyway).
We recently had a lot of heated Cidney discussion again, too, but it's not like it's not justified. It's one of the few glaring missteps in the game. At this point there's nothing else to say anymore, though - it is what it is and you can only hope they learn from this for future FFs.
The whole Versus discussion is absolutely tired at this point too. Nothing that hasn't been said millions of times already for years now. I loved the idea of Versus and I've been hyped since 2010, but most of the interesting concepts to me like "A Reality Based on Fantasy", the road-trip, and real-time combat (see the list below) are still in FFXV, so I don't care about what could've been anymore.
These lists should be sticky'd in every FFXV thread, lol:
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Yeah, good points! Many on GAF need a reality-check from time to time to see outside of our hardcore bubble. Every time I talk to my real-life gamer friends, including a few that never played a FF, who don't spend hours on message boards analyzing trees and bushes on screenshots, I realize how irrelevant all this talk about Stella and shrubs is. They don't care and don't even know what we're talking about. They're just hyped for a cool-looking, modern FF with a huge world, flashy combat, gigantic summons etc.
And yet here I am talking about the same old stuff again
This is my last post mentioning Versus ever again. Mark my words.I don't give too much a damn about metacritic, but I want XV to be successful by mainstream standards even if I don't think it'll do much for me.
I want FF to be back. I want Japan to be back. The former doesn't imply the latter at all, and a good FFXV doesn't even imply the former, but still...
I want FF to be back. I want Japan to be back. The former doesn't imply the latter at all, and a good FFXV doesn't even imply the former, but still...
Aressa
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Yes but concepts they couldn't bulid a full game around. That's why. Just like the old Resident Evil 4 gameplay. You're missing a short gameplay segment of an unfinished level.
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Don't remember if the story surfaced before or after the game launched, but if it was before you could add to that good-will the stuff Kojima went through, some reviewers might've consciously or unconsciously pitied him and that might've helped a bit.
Look at this small sample from the first reviews that I've seen at Metacritic:
To many people Kojima was Metal Gear. The gameplay was also rock-goddamn-solid.
That Digital Spy quote could have used a few more passes at the editing desk.
contranova
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People are still bring up Versus XIII? Just like LOL, you guys need to seriously move on.
15 is another game, so complaining and being stuck 10 years ago. Wishing what could have been is honestly crying over spilled milk. Get on with the times, Versus XII is never going to happen any longer.
Gosh, I just can't. Moving on!
15 is another game, so complaining and being stuck 10 years ago. Wishing what could have been is honestly crying over spilled milk. Get on with the times, Versus XII is never going to happen any longer.
Gosh, I just can't. Moving on!
Aressa
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Not another game. Versus was never a "game".
R3birthFl4me
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Are we making bets, I want to play too.
I bet Metacritic is 100% shit. Play the stuff you like and ditch the stuff you don't. Everyone needs to stop looking for other people to approve their taste in games.
I bet Metacritic is 100% shit. Play the stuff you like and ditch the stuff you don't. Everyone needs to stop looking for other people to approve their taste in games.
dragonzdogma
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Duh, no one played versus, but we got to see the idea behind it.
ArkhamFantasy
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I agree with what you're saying, but XV's metacritic score will decide whether it sells 5 million copies or 8 million copies, it has a huge impact on the success of the game, and other publishers in Japan are going to watch XV closely to see if AAA games are worth the risk.
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