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[SLoWMoTIoN]

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That is from a videogame baka

 

[Whitesnake]

More of an Embody man...the support on this thing and cradling of the back is amazing.

Ah, I'm more of a Home Depot man myself.

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fuck you, i'm poor

 

[Fushitsusha]

Laila's also made a chair to encourage women to take up more space.

Do not manspread, but please do womanspread.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Do not manspread, but please do womanspread.

Men are pleased.

 

[hariseldon]

Mmmm, it depends on the situation. Certainly the tendency is to protect the woman yes. But does that mean that women are advantaged or that women have historically had to deal with much violence at the hands of bigger, stronger men?

But ultimately I'm not nearly as concerned with other people as I am myself and how I can approach a conflict.

Historically is irrelevant to the man being abused. Judging one man as being responsible for the actions of unrelated men sounds an awful lot like prejudice to me, but you wouldn't try to justify that would you? Would you be ok with someone who assumes a black person was going to rob you because some black people have historically done so?

 

[lock2k]

I'll never get tired of saying this: male feminists are useless. They are worse than street pigeons and cockroaches. Completely useless.

 

[nocsi]

I'll never get tired of saying this: male feminists are useless. They are worse than street pigeons and cockroaches. Completely useless.

More woke brownie points for me then. I'm going to spend them all on e-poon

 

[Schrödinger's cat]

"NO UTERUS NO OPINION!!"

Odd how that only works in one direction. How very equal.

And, on the topic of equals. If this feminist-endorsed chair was representative of the claim that feminism is about equality, then it would be one chair suitable for all genders. Not two designs with an emphasis of having one gender purposefully invade the space of others, and another gender be forced to sit in a manner that is against the physiological structure of them.

Glorifying this with an award is lazy optics and tokenism.

 

[quickwhips]

Its funny i was rewatching roseanne last night and she was dealing with women issues great on her show. Then these fuckers wanted her fired over a tweet that hardly anyone saw vs her show had on tv that taught good lessons and reached way more people.

 

[CeroFrio996]

Historically is irrelevant to the man being abused. Judging one man as being responsible for the actions of unrelated men sounds an awful lot like prejudice to me, but you wouldn't try to justify that would you? Would you be ok with someone who assumes a black person was going to rob you because some black people have historically done so?

History absolutely matters when taking into consideration the actions of other people, but I would hope that in either situation standerby would try to intervene and moderate.

I can't control the thoughts and actions of other people though. The best I can do it say its wrong to treat those situations differently and try my best to act accordingly.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Ah, I'm more of a Home Depot man myself.

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fuck you, i'm poor

Just get a couch.

 

[Kamina]

That is from a videogame baka

Good lord, the anime girl in your profile has larger boobs than her head.

 

[CeroFrio996]

Good lord, the anime girl in your profile has larger boobs than her head.

That's small for anime. Usually they 2x as big.

 

[hariseldon]

History absolutely matters when taking into consideration the actions of other people, but I would hope that in either situation standerby would try to intervene and moderate.

I can't control the thoughts and actions of other people though. The best I can do it say its wrong to treat those situations differently and try my best to act accordingly.

So to be clear, you're ok with someone steering clear of black people thinking they might get robbed. Interesting.

 

[CeroFrio996]

So to be clear, you're ok with someone steering clear of black people thinking they might get robbed. Interesting.

To be clear, you know that's not what I said.

 

[hariseldon]

To be clear, you know that's not what I said.

To be clear, you circled the issue so much it's clear you don't wish to say that it's not ok, leaving that the only option.

 

[Zog]

To be clear, you know that's not what I said.

Do you think it's ok for women to judge all men by the worst of men?

 

[Melon]

The ruthless audacity and lack of self-awareness some women have is both astounding and not surprising at the same time.

 

[Zog]

The ruthless audacity and lack of self-awareness some women have is both astounding and not surprising at the same time.

No doubt if a man designed a chair to make women less comfortable he wouldn't be winning any awards. He may even have his life ruined.

 

[CeroFrio996]

To be clear, you circled the issue so much it's clear you don't wish to say that it's not ok, leaving that the only option.

You can think that, but it doesn't make it true.

I'm not really OK with it either way, but it's not like it comes from nowhere. It's less that it's OK but rather there's an origin to those feelings that has been established and should be discussed rather than being dismissed as irrational women being irrational or something.

Even racists have a place of origin for their beliefs. Doesn't make it right, as I said, but acting as though it has no origin, no reason for it, is foolish. Acknowledging that origin is is not condoning those thought. That fact that I said the chair was silly a few times seems to have escaped at least a few people.

Do you think it's ok for women to judge all men by the worst of men?

No, but it's not inherently irrational either.

 

[Papa]

History absolutely matters when taking into consideration the actions of other people, but I would hope that in either situation standerby would try to intervene and moderate.

I can't control the thoughts and actions of other people though. The best I can do it say its wrong to treat those situations differently and try my best to act accordingly.

With all the weaselly, self-flagellating shit you've said in this thread, this comment takes the cake. Stop throwing your gender under the bus for spurious "historical" reasons and grow a pair, you spineless, soy-swilling, leg-crossing worm. They ain't gonna fuck u dude.

 

[Zog]

No, but it's not inherently irrational either.

Do you think men are being rational by refusing to be alone with a woman, who isn't their wife, these days?

Example:

 

[CeroFrio996]

With all the weaselly, self-flagellating shit you've said in this thread, this comment takes the cake. Stop throwing your gender under the bus for spurious "historical" reasons and grow a pair, you spineless, soy-swilling, leg-crossing worm. They ain't gonna fuck u dude.

So... saying that I can only control my own actions is "weaselly" and "self-flagellating "?

Why would I need them to "fuck me"? I'm not allowed to think what I think without hoping for something in return? What do you gain from this ridiculous tirade? Who exactly is the virtue signaler here?

Do you think men are being rational by refusing to be alone with a woman, who isn't their wife, these days?

It depends on the reasoning? If that's the vow they made to their wife (or husband, or significant other, or whatever), then it's not irrational to respsect the boundries set by the relationship. Just as in a polygamous relationship it's not irrational to be completely unconcerned with your spouse's friendships. Of course there's a lot of in between those two extremes and in this case it certainly would make your professional life more difficult.

In the case of being worried that you'll be #metoo'd I think it's irrational. Statistically false sexual assault allegations are very small.

A multi-site study of eight U.S. communities including 2,059 cases of sexual assault found a 7.1 percent rate of false reports (Lonsway, Archambault, & Lisak, 2009).

A study of 136 sexual assault cases in Boston from 1998-2007 found a 5.9 percent rate of false reports (Lisak et al., 2010).

Using qualitative and quantitative analysis, researchers studied 812 reports of sexual assault from 2000-2003 and found a 2.1 percent rate of false reports (Heenan & Murray 2006).

 

[theekad]

In the case of being worried that you'll be #metoo'd I think it's irrational. Statistically false sexual assault allegations are very small.

It always amazes me how badly people misinterpret these statistics.

According to the statistics you cite, the rate of provably false allegations is the same as the rate of provably true assaults.

Are you going to claim that women who worry about sexual assault are being irrational?

 

[Zog]

In the case of being worried that you'll be #metoo'd I think it's irrational. Statistically false sexual assault allegations are very small.

Feminists like to talk about how men get away with rape because there are so few convictions. Now there are three ways to look at this:

1) There are a lot of unpunished rapes

2) There are a lot of false accusations

3) These shouldn't be counted at all because we don't know the truth

Which perspective do you share?

 

[EviLore]

In the case of being worried that you'll be #metoo'd I think it's irrational.

 

[CeroFrio996]

According to the statistics you cite, the rate of provably false allegations is the same as the rate of provably true assaults.

I miss the part in that link were it states anything about "provably true" allegations? There's plenty of info about how low the conviction rates of sexual crimes are, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that false accusations are between 2 and 8%.

Feminists like to talk about how men get away with rape because there are so few convictions. Now there are three ways to look at this:

1) There are a lot of unpunished rapes

2) There are a lot of false allegations

3) These shouldn't be counted at all because we don't know the truth

Which perspective do you share?

I think I land tentatively on the 3rd? You can still survey and attempt to collect data, and I'm all for trying to increase the rate of reporting, but there are certainly inherent problems with that... It's not a simple issue, and not really something that should be so easily boiled down.

 

[Zog]

There's plenty of info about how low the conviction rates of sexual crimes are, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that false accusations are between 2 and 8%.

I thought it was between 2% and 10%. Anyway, those low conviction rates could point to a lot of false accusations, not men getting away with rape. Imagine that, what if a majority of rape accusations were false? Certainly goes against the narrative we have all been taught.

 

[EviLore]

#metoo has nothing to do with actual criminal sexual assault charges. It's a mechanism for socially deplatforming men in positions of power, and since its inception has encouraged ignoring reality, truth, and evidence in favor of blind ideological fantasy that women are incapable of lying.

 

[Papa]

So... saying that I can only control my own actions is "weaselly" and "self-flagellating "?

Why would I need them to "fuck me"? I'm not allowed to think what I think without hoping for something in return? What do you gain from this ridiculous tirade? Who exactly is the virtue signaler here?



It depends on the reasoning? If that's the vow they made to their wife (or husband, or significant other, or whatever), then it's not irrational to respsect the boundries set by the relationship. Just as in a polygamous relationship it's not irrational to be completely unconcerned with your spouse's friendships. Of course there's a lot of in between those two extremes and in this case it certainly would make your professional life more difficult.

In the case of being worried that you'll be #metoo'd I think it's irrational. Statistically false sexual assault allegations are very small.

I've posted about this before when people have cited fraudulent feminist rape statistics. Kudos to you for citing the actual studies and not just parroting the feminist 2% lie*, but handwaving 7.1% of false rape accusations as "very small" is disgusting. That's 146 false reports for the n = 2,056 study you cited. I suppose you think Blackstone's Formulation is outdated, huh? Happy that 146 innocent men rot in prison so long as we catch the 1910 guilty men? Also, considering that these numbers are from a 2009 study before the social media / #MeToo era, 7.1% can therefore be taken as a lower bound. I would not be surprised if it were 10-15% or higher in 2019.

*2% is the proportion of rape accusations that are proven to be false in court. It does not account for the number of false accusations that are not pursued, not proven in court due to lack of evidence, and so on.

That 2% statistic is a lie as it is only the proportion of cases in which there is sufficient evidence to press charges for false accusation. It does not mean that 98% of accusations are true, which is really what you're trying to say, because it doesn't account for all of the accusations in which there is insufficient evidence to press charges either way.

Edit: sources.

This 2010 study which the feminist 2% statistic is taken from actually reported the rate at 5.9% with an estimated range from 2 to 10%: https://web.archive.org/web/2018010...gov/conference/handouts/False-Allegations.pdf

This FBI report puts it at 8% using data from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/1996/96sec2.pdf

Then consider that the data in these two reports were taken primarily from the 1990s when there was no pound me too culture and I would quite comfortably estimate the current rate at higher than 10%. Let's assume that it is 10% and then apply it to the roughly 100,000 reported rapes in 2017 (https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible-rape-cases-in-the-usa-since-1990/).

That's a total of 10,000 false accusations per year. Are you ok with that?

 

[CeroFrio996]

I thought it was between 2% and 10%. Anyway, those low conviction rates could point to a lot of false accusations, not men getting away with rape. Imagine that, what if a majority of rape accusations were false? Certainly goes against the narrative we have all been taught.

Not being able to meet the burden of proof is not evidence of a false accusation. The burden of proof in the US is very high, especially comparatively speaking.

#metoo has nothing to do with actual criminal sexual assault charges. It's a mechanism for socially deplatforming men in positions of power, and since its inception has encouraged ignoring reality, truth, and evidence in favor of blind ideological fantasy that women are incapable of lying.

You're right, I carelessly used #metoo as a catch all. I still think there's a rather low chance of being wrongly attacked this way and it being successful. I suppose an example would be Kavanaugh. That was highly politically motivated and vicious, but he wears the robes.

I think the "fantasy that women are incapable of lying" should be seen more as a plea to take accusations seriously, rather than dismissing them based on prejudice or personally familiarity with the perpetrator. Surely there are many people who view these accusations without any skepticism at all, but that can be said for any number of situations, especially those that seem to affirm a person's personally held beliefs.

I've posted about this before when people have cited fraudulent feminist rape statistics. Kudos to you for citing the actual studies and not just parroting the feminist 2% lie*, but handwaving 7.1% of false rape accusations as "very small" is disgusting. That's 146 false reports for the n = 2,056 study you cited. I suppose you think Blackstone's Formulation is outdated, huh? Happy that 146 innocent men rot in prison so long as we catch the 1910 guilty men? Also, considering that these numbers are from a 2009 study before the social media / #MeToo era, 7.1% can therefore be taken as a lower bound. I would not be surprised if it were 10-15% or higher in 2019.

*2% is the proportion of rape accusations that are proven to be false in court. It does not account for the number of false accusations that are not pursued, not proven in court due to lack of evidence, and so on.

The erroneous part of this statement is:

Happy that 146 innocent men rot in prison so long as we catch the 1910 guilty men?

Because it assumes that all men falsely of rape are incarcerated, or even arrested. With DNA evidence and the already high burden of proof I'd be very surprised if the number of false accusations ending up in jail time is above 1% in this modern age.

If that was indeed the number of reports that were false and ended in innocent men in jail then I would absolutely find that alarming and a problem that would need fixing. However I hope that your outrage of those falsely accused (not just by women) of these terrible crimes is unsullied by your ideology. For example, what is your stance on Trump's comments and actions surrounding the Central Park 5?

 

[Zog]

Not being able to meet the burden of proof is not evidence of a false accusation. The burden of proof in the US is very high, especially comparatively speaking.

Not being able to meet the burden of proof could also mean that it didn't happen, yeah?

You're right, I carelessly used #metoo as a catch all. I still think there's a rather low chance of being wrongly attacked this way and it being successful.

Because it assumes that all men falsely of rape are incarcerated, or even arrested.

Just being accused ruins a mans life.

 

[Papa]

The erroneous part of this statement is:



Because it assumes that all men falsely of rape are incarcerated, or even arrested. With DNA evidence and the already high burden of proof I'd be very surprised if the number of false accusations ending up in jail time is above 1% in this modern age.

If that was indeed the number of reports that were false and ended in innocent men in jail then I would absolutely find that alarming and a problem that would need fixing. However I hope that your outrage of those falsely accused (not just by women) of these terrible crimes is unsullied by your ideology. For example, what is your stance on Trump's comments and actions surrounding the Central Park 5?

Those numbers are from the study that you cited, you fucking mong. Any social scientist worth their salt would've controlled for that.

 

[CeroFrio996]

Not being able to meet the burden of proof could also mean that it didn't happen, yeah?

It could, but if there was a reasonable case against the accuser there would at least be an investigation opened. But you say a lot of things could be a lot of things. Every single unreported rape could be 100% true and verifiable at the time of the rape.

Those numbers are from the study that you cited, you fucking mong. Any social scientist worth their salt would've controlled for that.

I see nothing in the study I linked that said those people were "rotting in jail", but maybe I just missed it? I'm relatively certain that the definition of false accusation doesn't require a prison sentence.

 

[trikster40]

Omg what have they done to 3PO??

 

[MiyazakiHatesKojima]

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That is from a videogame baka

This is who Papa and @Whataburger really are if they were stripped from their flesh, bones, and internalized social norms of masculinity.

 

[Papa]

It could, but if there was a reasonable case against the accuser there would at least be an investigation opened. But you say a lot of things could be a lot of things. Every single unreported rape could be 100% true and verifiable at the time of the rape.



I see nothing in the study I linked that said those people were "rotting in jail", but maybe I just missed it? I'm relatively certain that the definition of false accusation doesn't require a prison sentence.

You know rape is a crime, right? What the fuck do you think happens if someone is convicted after a false accusation? Now let's consider those who are falsely accused but aren't convicted. What do you think happens in their personal lives?

Your weaselly male feminist pea brain is cornered and you know it, so you're trying to trying and failing to squirm your way out of the hole you dug for yourself.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

This is who Papa and @Whataburger really are if they were stripped from their flesh, bones, and internalized social norms of masculinity.

 

[Papa]

The story of Brian Banks should be mandatory reading for anyone who thinks #MeToo is a noble cause: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...-Banks-Rape-Ordered-to-Pay-26M-211689741.html

 

[Zog]

It could, but if there was a reasonable case against the accuser there would at least be an investigation opened. But you say a lot of things could be a lot of things. Every single unreported rape could be 100% true and verifiable at the time of the rape.

Shouldn't rational people lean on the side of innocent until proven guilty?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Shouldn't rational people lean on the side of innocent until proven guilty?

Accusations are evidence according to the pedos at Ree.

 

[SLoWMoTIoN]

Shouldn't rational people lean on the side of innocent until proven guilty?

You are guilty until proven innocent.

 

[CeroFrio996]

Shouldn't rational people lean on the side of innocent until proven guilty?

I could literally say the same for the accusations of false rape reports en-masse. Hence why I bolded could. Until that claim of "could" if backed up with evidence it's entirely baseless.

The story of Brian Banks should be mandatory reading for anyone who thinks #MeToo is a noble cause: https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/...-Banks-Rape-Ordered-to-Pay-26M-211689741.html

I don't recall saying it was a noble cause? In fact I specifically called out the nasty smear of Judge Kavanaugh. I'm not entirely convinced he's innocent, but I also wasn't convinced by any of the "evidence" that he was guilty either, and the entire thing was done for theatrics.

You know rape is a crime, right? What the fuck do you think happens if someone is convicted after a false accusation? Now let's consider those who are falsely accused but aren't convicted. What do you think happens in their personal lives?

Your weaselly male feminist pea brain is cornered and you know it, so you're trying to trying and failing to squirm your way out of the hole you dug for yourself.

Falsely reporting a crime is also a crime? I see you still don't wish to comment on the Central Park 5.

 

[Zog]

I could literally say the same for the accusations of false rape reports en-masse.

No you can't. It's the original accusation that must be proven. The accused does not have to prove their innocence.

 

[Papa]

I could literally say the same for the accusations of false rape reports en-masse. Hence why I bolded could. Until that claim of "could" if backed up with evidence it's entirely baseless.



I don't recall saying it was a noble cause? In fact I specifically called out the nasty smear of Judge Kavanaugh. I'm not entirely convinced he's innocent, but I also wasn't convinced by any of the "evidence" that he was guilty either, and the entire thing was done for theatrics.



Falsely reporting a crime is also a crime? I see you still don't wish to comment on the Central Park 5.

You gave a weaselly nod to Kavanaugh but concluded with "he wears the robes", i.e. false accusations that are highly politically motivated can be ok in particular circumstances.

What is the relevance of the Central Park 5? Why are you trying to veer us off into an irrelevant tangent? Let's focus on your handwaving of false accusations as inconsequential to the bigger picture, yeah?

 

[CeroFrio996]

No you can't. It's the original accusation that must be proven. The accused does not have to prove their innocence.

You are talking about creating a new burden of proof by trying to accuse those people of falsifying a police report. As I said, not getting a conviction is not that same thing as being innocent. The American legal system has a very high burden of proof.

You gave a weaselly nod to Kavanaugh but concluded with "he wears the robes", i.e. false accusations that are highly politically motivated can be ok in particular circumstances.

So... saying it was bad and nasty... was saying that it was... alright? what? I made a nod to the fact that he came out on top. I didn't say it was alright because he made it out on top. Pelosi should never have been speaker or even reelected.

What is the relevance of the Central Park 5? Why are you trying to veer us off into an irrelevant tangent? Let's focus on your handwaving of false accusations as inconsequential to the bigger picture, yeah?

How is the false accusation and imprisonment of five men in the rape and murder of a woman irrelevant? Does it matter who makes the accusation?

 

[Zog]

Surely not getting a conviction carries the presumption of innocence .Why do will still treat men like they could be guilty even after they have been through the system and were not convicted? Why do still give women the benefit of the doubt even when others have decided there isn't enough evidence? Don't you see the bias here?

 

[CeroFrio996]

Surely not getting a conviction carries the presumption of innocence .Why do will still treat men like they could be guilty even after they have been through the system and were not convicted? Why do still give women the benefit of the doubt even when others have decided there isn't enough evidence? Don't you see the bias here?

In a legal sense yes... But do you still treat OJ Simpson as though he murdered his wife?

There are many reasons for a jury to not convict. Our legal system does not need prove innocence, it simply needs to prove there is a reasonable doubt.

 

[theekad]

There's plenty of info about how low the rate of false accusation of sexual crimes are, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that convictions for reported sexual assaults (true crimes) is between 2 and 8%.

Indeed, let us divert resources from prosecuting sexual assaults to prosecuting false allegations.

Stop abusing statistics you don't understand.

 

[Zog]

I thought of a new question for you Cerofrio996, do you think that rape shield laws should be extended to protect the accused?