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Finally got around to watching Watchmen... WTH
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MidgarBlowedUp
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It's ok to admit the truth guys instead of just prancing around it.
The movie flat out sucked and is one of the worst movies I've seen in years. I had more fun eating the popcorn than watching the movie.
ZephyrFate
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I honestly believe it's fine to hate the movie so long as you do not, do not talk shit about the book, because you're going to be wrong and GAF will hate you for it.
Flying_Phoenix
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Danthrax said:
ZephyrFate said:
Yeah you're right. I only like things if other people like them. I don't like to think for myself.
EDIT - I have yet to read the book (will eventually get to it) but I have until this day have seen something that is impossible to be deemed flawless and unenjoyable.
Warm Machine
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Did Alan Moore take over a bunch of GAF accounts? Sure seems like it.
polyh3dron
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No shit... I've read the graphic novel numerous times and thought the movie was AWESOME. Yeah so Ozy was a bit off.. this movie did so many things right that I'll give it a pass for that. And there was a random 5 minute softcore porn scene in the book too. I find it hilarious that everything people shit on the movie for is ripped right out of the GN. And like flying phoenix said... You think this is an action movie??Warm Machine said:
ZephyrFate
Banned
I frequently use hyperbole, but the book is pretty amazing. It is not without flaws.Flying_Phoenix said:
Yeah you're right. I only like things if other people like them. I don't like to think for myself.
EDIT - I have yet to read the book (will eventually get to it) but I have until this day have seen something that is impossible to be deemed flawless and unenjoyable.
Flying_Phoenix
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Danthrax said:
"Action" movie?
AgentOtaku
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Already discussed at length in the official thread. I'll just sum what I think again though.
Basically a missed opportunity. Zach Snyder and crew seemed to be so hellbent on making as authentic experience as possibly they forget about adapting something into an actual movie.
Should have payed a bit more attention to what Peter Jackson and friends did...
Hell, people may give me shit for this, but I'll say something like V for Vendetta is a better MOVIE adaptation.
Basically a missed opportunity. Zach Snyder and crew seemed to be so hellbent on making as authentic experience as possibly they forget about adapting something into an actual movie.
Should have payed a bit more attention to what Peter Jackson and friends did...
Hell, people may give me shit for this, but I'll say something like V for Vendetta is a better MOVIE adaptation.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Director's Cut is the best cut of this film. Film was great and the parts that should have been in it (
) are excused by how much he managed to fit in. I thought it was a great directing job and the original parts of the score were great too. My favourite part of the track is a short little number called 'You Quit!'.
One of the most enjoyable films this year for me, yet I agree that if you haven't read the source material I can see how you might find it inaccessible.
'Nothing ever ends, Adrian'/NYC littered with thousands of corpses/Squid
One of the most enjoyable films this year for me, yet I agree that if you haven't read the source material I can see how you might find it inaccessible.
The movie was decent. It usually fails where it tries to stay too true to the source material IMO. Okay, I guess a lot of critics had the same opinion but still...
Anyway,
Sandman is better
EDIT: Guess I should add that the characters seemed a bit too invincible and didn't seem very old/retired too me in he film which probably played a role in keeping me from getting too invested in it emotionally.
I would have hated it more were it not for my enjoyment of the book.
Anyway,
Sandman is better
EDIT: Guess I should add that the characters seemed a bit too invincible and didn't seem very old/retired too me in he film which probably played a role in keeping me from getting too invested in it emotionally.
I would have hated it more were it not for my enjoyment of the book.
polyh3dron
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What, take out Nite Owl??AgentOtaku said:
I'm not sure what sort of an excuse that is to make for a film.polyh3dron said:
I'm a film snob before a comic nerd. I'd much rather they make smart decisions about what to include and what not to include/change than be faithful to some funny papers.
That said, I did enjoy the film. It just didn't resonate with me in a way that would make me ever reccomend it to someone who has an interest outside of the comic.
ZephyrFate
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You are a terrible person and you should feel terrible for having this opinion.Satanyoka said:
ZephyrFate
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Sounds a bit in line with your way of thought. Off with ye.Satanyoka said:
Monroeski said:
I agree. They made it out to be an action blockbuster with a dark, mature slant but it wasn't that at all.
All I know is it left me wondering WTF was happening for 2 1/2 hours or however long. Rorschach was awesome, The Comedian was enjoyable to watch being a piece of shit, and there was some glowing, blue, naked dude with no moral compass. That's all I got.
oh and random softcore porn set to the song from Shrek
The Blue Jihad
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Ignatz Mouse said:
I wouldn't trust his take on it. That's my point. In the GN he's a shitty character with an even shittier development, whose rationalizations and grand reveals are absolutely nonsensical gibberish with no discernible support for his inane conclusions. For being the smartest man in the world, he's not that bright.
Comedian was jealous? No, The Comedian was horrified to learn he was planning on killing millions of people. This applies to the book and movie. When Comedian discovered Ozy's plan, he realized that humanity can sink far, far lower than he previously thought. The bottom of the barrel fell out from under him. That's what was compelling about the character, and why the movie worked well...because it still established that shock.
Ozy's plan with the squid was just retarded, because he should have realized that it wasn't a permanent solution. There's no way for it to be permanent. Look at the time and resources he spent on it. Is he going to be able to keep that shit up, just to keep people playing nice? No, he won't. That's why the book's ending sucks. Ignoring the fact that it's a piece of sushi--and people will realize that and start killing each other again--the squid's "attack" cannot be consistently replicated. Therefore there's no persistent threat.
In the book, Ozy is just straight-up ridiculously flamboyant and a betrayal to his namesake.
Father_Brain
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:lol Hallelujah is "the song from Shrek?"Danthrax said:
Anyway, movie was pretty mediocre; I was particularly troubled by how much fun Snyder seemed to be having with the fight scenes, as though he were completely unaware how much his stylistic choices there undermined the themes of the source material. V for Vendetta was a much less faithful Moore adaptation, but a better film on its own merits.
Flying_Phoenix
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Staccat0 said:
This shit too. I mean some of these characters are suppose to be in their 60's yet they move as fast as someone in their mid-20's.
Also:
They just try too hard in general. The Comedian's a gigantic dick and asshole. Okay...why? It never explains he just is. And what the fuck is up with Dr. Manhattan. He's WAY too powerful to be in this movie. It was as if they pulled somebody out of the Dragonball Z universe, de-animetized them, and plotted them in the film. Also while Rorschach is cool and all, why is his scruffy voice keeps rambling on and on in the film? The part with The Comedian's death is the ideal example. He tells this stupid sadistic joke and keeps going on with it. "Bartender says, "that's the joke". I say "Funny joke." Drumsnare cues. Everyone laughs. The lights dim. The shows over. ...Funny joke." I mean Jesus Christ enough already.
Battersea Power Station said:
...I honestly don't know... I didn't HATE the movie... but it was just so different from what my preconceived notions were of it that I'm having trouble putting my thoughts down.... and I've NEVER had that problem before...
RbBrdMan said:
Lol no.. some on the flight out, some on the flight back, finished at home.
Helmholtz said:
Yeah it took me a bit to realize they weren't super powered... the movie kinda glosses over that but takes pains to never show them mostly doing anything that a human couldn't do.... but its close... real close at times...
MrHicks said:
Cotto/Pacquaio
After the movie ended I glanced through the graphic novel because I was curious if some of the scenes really were written like that in the movie.... one of these days I'll read the whole thing...
I guess my conclusion was an interesting movie for what it was, but not something I'd watch repeatedly to get some type of action or super hero fill (which I guess is part of the point as it really isn't either of those).
The Ultimate cut is just the Directors cut plus the Black Freighter cartoon, right? Damn, I really don't want to have to double dip on this one if the UC adds some whole new stuff....
In the film, I'm not sure Ozy's plan would be any more reproducable or effective. Manhattan could just pass judgement on any city without provocation. I think it would paralyze humanity, rather than motivate them.
I think a lot of the work Ozy did in the novel was to fashion the psychic images he blasts out as well as the physical squid body. So not only does all of humanity get a tangible bit of intergalactic threat, they all FEEL the threat on a psychic level, thus it should have enough of a lasting impression for humanity to get past the nuclear MAD phase.
In the film, I'm not sure Ozy's plan would be any more reproducable or effective. Manhattan could just pass judgement on any city without provocation. I think it would paralyze humanity, rather than motivate them.
biggersmaller
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Flying_Phoenix said:
I agree with this point, because in the book these characters were portrayed as way past their prime, and their fighting styles were more emotional and sloppy, akin to brute bar fighting, than the honed, cold, not-even-a-chance Bruce Lee's you see in this film.
And the actor playing Ozy was shit.
Nonetheless, those are my only criticisms, so I own that movie, and I watch it 1-2 times a year.
P.S. - the ending was better in the movie.
El_Victor said:
Sure she's hot, but it's awkward to sit in a movie theater with a bunch of other people watching it. And it didn't just last for a minute, which would be reasonable to show a sex scene... it lingered for what felt like forever. The presentation was borderline creepy.
Father_Brain said:
sure, why not =P
Count Dookkake
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MrHicks said:
It's not like the X-Men concept of evolution makes any sense, or the Hulk's gamma rays, or Superman and kryptonite. It's part of the genre.
Freshmaker
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Jackson consistently degraded the original subject matter. That is not something anyone should aspire to.AgentOtaku said:
Revolutionary
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I saw the movie with a date, and we both thought it was hilariously cheesy, mainly due to the choice of song and the end. But awkward? :lol How old are you?Danthrax said:
...and it was closer to like 40 seconds.
Count Dookkake
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Revolutionary said:
It's like all the crying over the showers and sex in Starship Troopers. I don't get why sci-fi stuff has to be neutered, especially in the context of an R-rated film.
MrHicks said:
I may be mistaken, but THATSTHEJOKE.
polyh3dron
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Lol you called watchmen a funny paper.Staccat0 said:
Flying_Phoenix said:
The Comedian is a dick because he's a reflection of humanity. The fact that he bawls like a baby at Ozy's plan is meant to be a bit ironic, but he saw that there was even lower than him. Why is he like this? Who really knows - but he's just another character in the story. Why is NiteOwl like that? Sure we know he wants to help people and be heroic...but why? Why is anyone the way they are?
Manhattan being stupidly powerful is the entire point to the story. He is capable of stopping everything at a whim, but he doesn't. Why? Because he is SO powerful, the events of humanity have no more meaning for him, for the large part (it ultimately proves untrue, as he still has feelings for Laurie).
I took Rorshach's 'joke' to represent the idea that society wants to help people, but who helps the people who are doing the helping? OMG Who watches the watchmen?
yeah, PhD, as in he has a Doctorate in Physics. Dr. Manhattan.mrkgoo said:
really though? did you actually understand anything at all? i thought it would be very difficult to swallow for people who haven't read the novel.Treo360 said:
and it was, everyone of my co-workers and friends that saw it hated it. it follows the comic pretty much exactly, without much of the back story. so you get the surface level plot of the comic but none of the depth. great for fans of the novel, but not so good for people who never read it, or aren't familiar with the material.
Scullibundo said:
i think the movie is an overall success, it does so many things well as an adaptation, that i can forgive some of its shortcomings
my biggest gripes are the sex scene, some of the soundtrack choices especially during the aforementioned sex scene, and the ending, i like the GN ending better as well
but some of the GN sequences are presented so well in the film, the comedian's funeral is handled really well, i loved dr. manhattan's origin, and dr. manhattan on mars was absolutely perfect
BattleMonkey
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If the movie sucked, the book sucked. It seriously was not a huge difference, what a bunch of babies. Heck the book bored the shit out of me, bunch of pretentious foreshadowing, Oooo ahhhh.
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