Hellwarden
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I'm looking forward to this, but modern DC animation/art kinda just blends together to be honest.
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First Look at Batman: The Killing Joke (?)
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IndoAssassin
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Yah and Rebirth is supposed to make all the old pre flashpoint canon relevant again. Lol DC is just a huge mess right now.
Shadow Ranger
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Also one the post Flasbpoint fence... The current movies are OK but just not as visually interesting. It's all very generic anime inspired (still can look good though). The animation from older stuff coupled with its unique style were some of things that really stood out for me. That, and the good story telling.
In any case, definitely gonna check this out!
In any case, definitely gonna check this out!
#1 defender
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Don't quite understand the complaints about the art style, Batman looks pretty spot on, apart from some slight exaggeration:
I know the comic panel is from the recolored version.
Valjean Lafitte
Banned
Wasn't her and everyone else's pasts rectconned anyway courtesy of the New 52 reboot?
Don't quite understand the complaints about the art style, Batman looks pretty spot on, apart from some slight exaggeration:
I know the comic panel is from the recolored version.
They're complaining more based on DC Animation's history, rather than that panel. Batman in particular is clearly heavily influenced by Bolland's art.
thecouncil
Banned
tweeted a couple hours ago
This is going to be exciting!
I think the guy who did Gordon in Arkham Knight was pretty good. They should just cast him.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
That's gonna be fucking packed.
I wish that was the case, but they instead got Ray Wise as Commissioner Gordon. I have no doubt that Ray will deliver, but I do kinda wish that they got his Arkham Knight VA since Gordon's BTAS VA is no longer with us.
yessss... YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
tweeted a couple hours ago
Bobby Roberts
Banned
So this will end with Batman violently snapping Joker's neck at the very end just like that awesome theory I heard on that one Kevin Smith podcast right? Boy I hope so. That would make this story so much more cooler and darker.
Also, one of the things I've remembered most vividly from when DC Animated first started in with these direct to video animated movies, before Doomsday even dropped, was a press release that stated the films would absolutely be designed and animated in as close to the original comics' artist styles in the source material they were adapting.
And then Doomsday actually came out and it looked exactly like Timmverse shit, but with a couple extra lines.
And it's pretty much never been any different.
In fact, the only DC Animated thing I can think of in that period of time that actually DOES chane designs to more faithfully replicate the source artwork is that 75th Anniversary Superman short that Timm did.
Also, one of the things I've remembered most vividly from when DC Animated first started in with these direct to video animated movies, before Doomsday even dropped, was a press release that stated the films would absolutely be designed and animated in as close to the original comics' artist styles in the source material they were adapting.
And then Doomsday actually came out and it looked exactly like Timmverse shit, but with a couple extra lines.
And it's pretty much never been any different.
In fact, the only DC Animated thing I can think of in that period of time that actually DOES chane designs to more faithfully replicate the source artwork is that 75th Anniversary Superman short that Timm did.
TheStruggler
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the part where people think batman kills joker with his own weapon?
Oh my, this is a dream personified.
blummer102
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It would be amazing if it ended with Bats snapping the Joker's neck, because that's probably what Alan Moore really had in mind, but I heavily doubt they'll have the stones to go that route.
Killing Joke is an overrated story IMO; obviously it deserves praise for portraying an interesting psychological connection between the Joker and Batman, but I think newer versions of this dynamic (Arkham Origins, all the stuff Scott Snyder has written) have done a nicer job without cringe moments like the Barbara torture porn and the bit at the end where Batman is laughing alongside the Joker. (I much prefer the idea of Killing Joke being a stand-alone story where Bats snaps at the end and kills the Joker rather than the "haha he's just as nutty as his greatest enemy" interpretation that everyone takes as canon.)
Still, I am looking forward to seeing this. I'm a little worried because I thought Justice League War and Son of Batman were lackluster as hell, but the source material should hopefully elevate this one...
Spring-Loaded
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If only Andrea Romano was doing voice direction
She's not for this one?!?!?
Death Metalist
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Even if it didn't happen I'm glad we kind of got it in
TDKR animated film. With a big fat spit on his face from Bats as well after the neck snap.
So excited for this one.
Eh I think that the two Superman/Batman films change up the art-style to try and mimic the comic's style.
Also, I don't think this looks like the normal DC fare, more akin to Under the Red Hood.
Wait, she isn't? Why the fuck not?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
No, it'd be dumb as hell. Because it's a dumb theory.
Nah, not really. Over time it's shifted style to a different, less blatantly Timm-based style, but it's still not looking like the comics art all that much at all.
ViewtifulJC
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W E L P
To be fair, its a dumb story propped up on an ill-advised post-Watchmen structuralism
why wouldn't it end with the dumbest, most cynical possible interpretation
Doctor Decimate
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Justice League: The New Frontier did that I think
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If people advocated it like that, it'd make sense. But I don't think that's the stance from which they make their push.
True, but then again, Cooke's original comic was more or less a slight spin on Timm's style anyway, being as Cooke helped solidify the visual look of the Timmverse when he was there.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Michael Turner's style was a weird transition
ElBoxyBrown
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If they are gonna stick close to the book then they'll just leave it open for interpretation. It would be pretty dumb to make a theory a reality.
multiple choice past eh
Spring-Loaded
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So how the fuck
do characters like Cyborg exist
does Ra's al Ghul's ass come back from the dead
does Batman recovering from a broken back
And Barbara Gordon stay's paralyzed?
do characters like Cyborg exist
does Ra's al Ghul's ass come back from the dead
does Batman recovering from a broken back
And Barbara Gordon stay's paralyzed?
UncleSporky
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Regarding how harshly they might handle the Barbara Gordon stuff, I think they'll be able to take it as far as they want. They managed to get a lady with swastika pasties on her naked breasts in animated TKDR, after all.
And the neck snapping theory is dumb and not what happens, not on the page nor in the script. I am curious as to how they'll handle the laughter at the end, since the book isn't clear about who is doing the most laughing, if the whole thing is in unison, etc. In general I always thought it was a statement about how neither of them can be said to be sane, how Batman is one of those men who experienced "one bad day," etc. It's pretty self-evident.
And the neck snapping theory is dumb and not what happens, not on the page nor in the script. I am curious as to how they'll handle the laughter at the end, since the book isn't clear about who is doing the most laughing, if the whole thing is in unison, etc. In general I always thought it was a statement about how neither of them can be said to be sane, how Batman is one of those men who experienced "one bad day," etc. It's pretty self-evident.
Bruce, I.....Michael Turner's style was a weird transition
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
Jay what the fuck is that thing
Doctor Decimate
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I think Batman: Year One made an attempt as well, but overall I do wish they made the art styles much more varied. I think they had enough variation to be preferable to the homogeneous thing they're going for currently, but even back then I wanted the differences to be extremely pronounced rather than mostly just in the details and (sometimes) the voice cast.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Comic books y'all.
Michael Turner's style was a weird transition
Michael Turner's style was a weird transition
Batman, I...
Michael Turner's style was a weird transition
Tried for Michael Turner, came out more Peter Chung.
People always say it's because Babs didn't want to get unfair treatment because she knows super people. I have never actually read anything where she has said that so I can't confirm it myself.
Well the reasoning is kinda dumb, I liked her best as Oracle, I would have preferred if she stayed in the chair.
Strangelove77
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Does DC change the art style of their animated movies just for the fuck of it?
I pretty much dislike all the movies that don't look like their tv show's art styles. They're just fucking weird looking. I feel like they're shoddy imitations.
I pretty much dislike all the movies that don't look like their tv show's art styles. They're just fucking weird looking. I feel like they're shoddy imitations.
Not sure what you mean when Phil Bourassa has been the lead designer on 90% of their animated movies, and was design lead on Young Justice too.
Unless you mean everything has to look like Timmverse all the time.
Wag
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So let's look at 1.2 million dollars and rotoscoped animation vs. 3.5 million and DC's current style.
1.2 million from the 80s:
NSFW but smooth animation
3.5 million from this decade:
You can do as much with a smaller budget and style to boot, though it's probably a lot harder too. Also, I'm not arguing that it should specifically BE Bakshi, but I picked him as an example because of the content and neon, grimy, but realistic look of the story.
Rotoscoping is a totally different process as opposed to today's mostly cookie-cutter animation which is farmed out to Asian studios who use computers to fill in most of the frames.
You rarely see rotoscoping used anymore because it is so labor and time intensive. BTW: Fire and Ice is among the best of the more recent examples.
Rate it R because of Deadpool
They got the green light a while ago to go for an RRate it R because of Deadpool
Wag
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Bat-dick?
blummer102
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Maybe, but the ending with Batman giggling with the Joker right after he shot and critically wounded a former partner of his is also dumb as hell.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Just because a comic has one dumb thing in it doesn't mean the whole thing has to go full-tilt gloryhallastoopid in return.
(and yes, I know The Killing Joke has more than just one dumb thing in it)
But again, if people wanna argue for Morrison's stupid theory from the stance that "well the whole thing is fucking stupid might as well run it off the road at the end, right" that's something that makes more sense to me than people thinking it's actually cool/powerful as an ending.
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